This is on attendence and they want to lump the Big East in with them but leave out every other BCS Conference. Kind of funny.

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It's kinda sad.

Life is tough being the only major mid-major.

Damn the people who keep lumping the Big East with the mid-majors are idiots. They can whine all they want, the Big East is a BCS conference, so lumping it with the mid-majors doesn't make any sense. Especially in UC's case, when UC plays Big East schools over the last 5 to 7 years we have averaged around 30,000 per game. I mean, I'm sorry, charles that started that post and the people who agree with him are idiots. Period. The New Big East has a team ranked at #10, #25 and #26. How the hell is that playing like a mid-major? Especially since WVU's only losses are to Top 20 teams?

nflsucks Wrote:It's kinda sad.

Life is tough being the only major mid-major.

So sad, yet so amusing sometimes.

They tell us to bug off and go post on the big East board if you post over there. Maybe if they weren't ALWAYS discussing a confernce they ain't in we would be over there. If someone just randomly stumbled upon that forum they would think it's a Big East board (with negative, whiney fans though) with all the post about us over there.

I don't understand. I've tried to be cordial over there, but now there are some Memphis fans that have taken to trashing UC and calling out program "thugs". This, while celebrating the addition of Marshall and Central Florida to the conference, and an SMU program that is STILL recovering from the death penalty! I mean, my god!

Quote:Especially in UC's case, when UC plays Big East schools over the last 5 to 7 years we have averaged around 30,000 per game.

No you haven't....at least not according to your own athletic department.


From the Cincy athletic site page on Nippert, concerning the largest crowds ever at Nippert Stadium.

Quote:Largest Crowds
35,097&nbsp; &nbsp; Purdue&nbsp; &nbsp; 9/2/01
32,924&nbsp; &nbsp; Miami (O.)&nbsp; &nbsp; 10/28/01
32,117&nbsp; &nbsp; Indiana&nbsp; &nbsp; 9/26/98
31,478&nbsp; &nbsp; Miami (O.)&nbsp; &nbsp; 10/5/02
31,004&nbsp; &nbsp; Louisville&nbsp; &nbsp; 10/27/01
30,887&nbsp; &nbsp; Miami (O.)&nbsp; &nbsp; 9/28/96
30,729&nbsp; &nbsp; Kentucky&nbsp; &nbsp; 9/7/96
30,104&nbsp; &nbsp; Kentucky&nbsp; &nbsp; 11/4/92
29,546&nbsp; &nbsp; Miami (Fla.)&nbsp; &nbsp; 10/18/86
29,099&nbsp; &nbsp; Penn State&nbsp; &nbsp; 9/5/92
28,806&nbsp; &nbsp; West Virginia&nbsp; &nbsp; 9/14/02
28,370&nbsp; &nbsp; Miami (O.)&nbsp; &nbsp; 11/28/46
28,354&nbsp; &nbsp; Miami (O.)&nbsp; &nbsp; 11/25/54
27,995&nbsp; &nbsp; Xavier&nbsp; &nbsp; 10/13/56
27,721&nbsp; &nbsp; Wisconsin&nbsp; &nbsp; 9/18/99
27,694&nbsp; &nbsp; Xavier&nbsp; &nbsp; 11/18/50

<a href='http://www.ucbearcats.com/info/facilities/nippert.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.ucbearcats.com/info/facilities/nippert.asp</a>

Now I don't know if you were just making this up...or if you are a former UC "student"-athlete and you are showing the fruits of your "academic" labors....but I believe it was way back in the 6th grade that I was taught that an average was a figure in the median of a larger group of figures. For your statement to be true, that would mean that there would have to be numerous games against Big East schools that had over 30K attendance....when the reality, as shown by the figures from your very school, is that no current, or former Big East school had an attendance over 30K.


But don't let the facts get in the way of you bashing CUSA.

Here's what I can find of the game attendances between UC and BE teams since 00'

00 vs. Syracuse - 17,717
01 vs. Connecticut - 17,588 (I believe this was the year before UCONN became Div I-A)
02 vs. West Virginia - 28,806
at Temple - 18,336
03 at West Virginia - 51,189
vs. Temple - 30,405 (Don't know why this isn't showing up on the records page)
04 at Syracuse - 32,893

Here're a couple other home games of significance from the same period.
01 vs. Purdue - 35,097
02 vs. Ohio State - 66,319 (Game played at Paul Brown Stadium)

So, you're right catdaddy, just counting the 4 home games against BE competition, UC's averaging 23,629 per. However, I'm sure you can also see a pattern here, that the attendance for those home games had steadily gone up. Also evident, as shown by the Purdue and OSU numbers, as well as some of the other largest crowds drawn in Nippert's history, is that UC fans have a tendency to come out for the big name teams and rivalry games.

Yeah, UC's football support is still nothing to be overly excited about, but given the strides the program's made in recent years, I'm hopeful that drawing 30,000+ average a year can be accomplished soon.

For the record, I will continue to whine and ***** and moan until Memphis is reunited with Cincinnati and Louisville. And as far as "thugs" and athletes who cause problems- every university athletic program has those problems. We have had a run of bad press involving football and basketball players over the last 5-6 months, so we don't have room to talk.

catdaddy_2402 Wrote:

Quote:Especially in UC's case, when UC plays Big East schools over the last 5 to 7 years we have averaged around 30,000 per game.

No you haven't....at least not according to your own athletic department.


From the Cincy athletic site page on Nippert, concerning the largest crowds ever at Nippert Stadium.

Quote:Largest Crowds
35,097    Purdue    9/2/01
32,924    Miami (O.)    10/28/01
32,117    Indiana    9/26/98
31,478    Miami (O.)    10/5/02
31,004    Louisville    10/27/01
30,887    Miami (O.)    9/28/96
30,729    Kentucky    9/7/96
30,104    Kentucky    11/4/92
29,546    Miami (Fla.)    10/18/86
29,099    Penn State    9/5/92
28,806    West Virginia    9/14/02
28,370    Miami (O.)    11/28/46
28,354    Miami (O.)    11/25/54
27,995    Xavier    10/13/56
27,721    Wisconsin    9/18/99
27,694    Xavier    11/18/50

<a href='http://www.ucbearcats.com/info/facilities/nippert.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.ucbearcats.com/info/facilities/nippert.asp</a>

Now I don't know if you were just making this up...or if you are a former UC "student"-athlete and you are showing the fruits of your "academic" labors....but I believe it was way back in the 6th grade that I was taught that an average was a figure in the median of a larger group of figures. For your statement to be true, that would mean that there would have to be numerous games against Big East schools that had over 30K attendance....when the reality, as shown by the figures from your very school, is that no current, or former Big East school had an attendance over 30K.


But don't let the facts get in the way of you bashing CUSA.

Look out!! Here comes DOOK!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

As far as those clowns on the CUSA board are concerned they are simply bitter people who cheer for terrible athletic programs for the most part. There are a few fans (memphis) who have the right to be bitter. I'd be if I were stuck in a league with UTEP, Rice, SMU, UAB and ECU.

they see that you guys still don't have a TV contract because the networks don't want to pay you much for those games. There is nothing to envy in the Big East save basketball....the rest is mid major at best.

TopCoog Wrote:they see that you guys still don't have a TV contract because the networks don't want to pay you much for those games. There is nothing to envy in the Big East save basketball....the rest is mid major at best.

Until the Big East gets it BCS Contract. So you are calling Big East Track and Field, Big East Women Basketball Mid Major. Boy do you enjoy sticking your foot in your mouth.

BTW our TV Contract on Basketball alone will be worth more then the entire C-USA contract.

catdaddy_2402 Wrote:Largest Crowds
35,097    Purdue    9/2/01
32,924    Miami (O.)    10/28/01
32,117    Indiana    9/26/98
31,478    Miami (O.)    10/5/02
31,004    Louisville    10/27/01
30,887    Miami (O.)    9/28/96
30,729    Kentucky    9/7/96
30,104    Kentucky    11/4/92
29,546    Miami (Fla.)    10/18/86
29,099    Penn State    9/5/92
28,806    West Virginia    9/14/02
28,370    Miami (O.)    11/28/46
28,354    Miami (O.)    11/25/54
27,995    Xavier    10/13/56
27,721    Wisconsin    9/18/99
27,694    Xavier    11/18/50

I'll be the first to say Cat's Claw is the ever optomist and usually gives a lil more credit than is due (but that's why we love him).

Now notice on this list the oponents and where they are located. With the exception of Miami (Fl), these are midwestern teams. UC is tired of playing southern teams. It'll be nice to travel less than 8 hours to a game.

Doesn't anyone else think it is ironic that the folks on the CUSA board want to bring the Big East down to their Mid Major level instead of working to meet and surpass the other BCS conferences. That my friends is, in a nutshell, the biggest reason that I am forever greatful to the ACC for expanding and forcing the Big East to add Louisville, Cincinnati and South Florida. With the possible exception of Memphis, the other schools remaining in CUSA and apparently those joining in 2005, could careless about improving their present position in college athletics. Case in point, Scott Cowen at Tulane, has the gall to condemn the BCS conferences one minute for destroying college sports, and then strong arm his schools supporters the next by threatening to drop Tulane football altogether. Doesn't anyone else see the hypocrisy in this?
Lets be honest here. What has ANY of the remaining schools in CUSA done to warrant inclusion in a BCS conference? USM?...hiring Eustachy? Did anyone else read where the people of Hattiesburg voted AGAINST a tax increase to help USM build better facilities? Does that sound like a community that wants to be big time? And the Eagles are one of CUSA's best remaining programs. My friends it only goes down from there. I will be traveling to Houston tonight to see the Cardinals. The alumni group in Houston has purchased over 500 tickets. Officials in the Houston ticket office commented that there will be more fans Louisville fans paying admission at the game than Houston fans....and these people care?
My advice let the folks on the CUSA board wallow in their self pity. Ever notice how that one friend you have calls up and wants to dump all their problems on you and bring you down. You hang up the phone and say damn I was in a good mood until I talked to so and so. Well CUSA and the CUSA board is full of those kind of people. They only want to talk about how bad they have it instead of working to improve their situation. The best thing to do is avoid them, just get away from them. Sometimes to do that you have to switch conferences.....
CJ

You seem bitter TopCoog.

You think that might be playing in to your gloom and doom predictions of the Big East any? Nah I didn't think so.

CardinalJim Wrote:Doesn't anyone else think it is ironic that the folks on the CUSA board want to bring the Big East down to their Mid Major level instead of working to meet and surpass the other BCS conferences. That my friends is, in a nutshell, the biggest reason that I am forever greatful to the ACC for expanding and forcing the Big East to add Louisville, Cincinnati and South Florida. With the possible exception of Memphis, the other schools remaining in CUSA and apparently those joining in 2005, could careless about improving their present position in college athletics. Case in point, Scott Cowen at Tulane, has the gall to condemn the BCS conferences one minute for destroying college sports, and then strong arm his schools supporters the next by threatening to drop Tulane football altogether. Doesn't anyone else see the hypocrisy in this?
Lets be honest here. What has ANY of the remaining schools in CUSA done to warrant inclusion in a BCS conference? USM?...hiring Eustachy? Did anyone else read where the people of Hattiesburg voted AGAINST a tax increase to help USM build better facilities? Does that sound like a community that wants to be big time? And the Eagles are one of CUSA's best remaining programs. My friends it only goes down from there. I will be traveling to Houston tonight to see the Cardinals. The alumni group in Houston has purchased over 500 tickets. Officials in the Houston ticket office commented that there will be more fans Louisville fans paying admission at the game than Houston fans....and these people care?
My advice let the folks on the CUSA board wallow in their self pity. Ever notice how that one friend you have calls up and wants to dump all their problems on you and bring you down. You hang up the phone and say damn I was in a good mood until I talked to so and so. Well CUSA and the CUSA board is full of those kind of people. They only want to talk about how bad they have it instead of working to improve their situation. The best thing to do is avoid them, just get away from them. Sometimes to do that you have to switch conferences.....
CJ

VERY WELL SAID

Quote:I'll be the first to say Cat's Claw is the ever optomist and usually gives a lil more credit than is due (but that's why we love him).

Ah...the PC way of saying he's an out and out liar.I get it.

Quote:Now notice on this list the oponents and where they are located. With the exception of Miami (Fl), these are midwestern teams. UC is tired of playing southern teams. It'll be nice to travel less than 8 hours to a game.

Maybe then UC will be able to average more than the 21k you are averaging this year, and the 22k you averaged last year (btw...i thought Minter was the problem with attendance last year?)

Quote: Maybe then UC will be able to average more than the 21k you are averaging this year, and the 22k you averaged last year (btw...i thought Minter was the problem with attendance last year?)

And maybe one of these days wins and losses will be determined by how many people are in the stands and there won't even be football teams.

The fact is that Cincy went through and ripped the heart out of the new C-USA by just demolishing Memphis and Southern Miss and since then there has been an onslaught of ripping Cincy's attendance. Maybe they'll give Memphis and Southern Miss a few more TD's onto the final score of each of their games against Cincy because of Cincy's attendance...not that it would have changed the outcome.

catdaddy_2402 Wrote:Maybe then UC will be able to average more than the 21k you are averaging this year, and the 22k you averaged last year (btw...i thought Minter was the problem with attendance last year?)

Minter was a complete asshat; Dantonio is doing a good job getting rid of the crap he brought there.

UC needs to win bowl games and get some recognition. I've always said that. This is one of the reasons why Minter was tossed; he couldn't win these (alot about players not respecting him, but I don't need to detail all that). The fan support won't be turned around in one year unfortunately. At least there is a base group of dedicated fans to build off of. Let Dantonio do his thing and UC will be fine.

Thank you for your intrest in UC athletics.

Here is another envy thread on C-USA. Now basically Flying Mouse what the BCS Chairman said about schools that are migrating from a particular conference will not basically carry their BCS rank with them even though Kevin Weilberg has stated that is the case. Here is the link.

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