Over the weekend I went to bat for Syracuse when someone made a remark about their average SAT scores. Then I ran the numbers....

Rank / School / Avg SAT*
1 / Duke / 1440
2 / BC / 1350
2 / UVA / 1350
4 / GTech / 1335
5 / UMD / 1325
6 / Wake / 1315
6 / Miami / 1315
8 / UNC / 1305
9 / Pitt / 1275
10 / Clem / 1235
11 / VTech / 1220
12 / FSU / 1200
13 / NCState / 1180
14 / Cuse / 1160

Cuse, what happened? Also, we're all getting smoked by Duke.

*I had to use a couple different sources to compile this, so if there's a correction that needs to be made in order to include the most up to date numbers, feel free to make it. To calculate the average, I took the mean of the 25% and 75% scores, Math and Reading sections only.

can you run these numbers for the other BCS AQ conferences? I'm feeling confident...

(04-24-2012 12:13 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Over the weekend I went to bat for Syracuse when someone made a remark about their average SAT scores. Then I ran the numbers....

Rank / School / Avg SAT*
1 / Duke / 1440
2 / BC / 1350
2 / UVA / 1350
4 / GTech / 1335
5 / UMD / 1325
6 / Wake / 1320
7 / UNC / 1305
8 / Miami / 1295
9 / Pitt / 1260
10 / Clem / 1235
11 / VTech / 1220
12 / FSU / 1200
13 / NCState / 1180
14 / Cuse / 1160

Cuse, what happened? Also, we're all getting smoked by Duke.

*I had to use a couple different sources to compile this, so if there's a correction that needs to be made in order to include the most up to date numbers, feel free to make it. To calculate the average, I took the mean of the 25% and 75% scores, Math and Reading sections only.

I'm not sure if your number is correct but Chancy Nancy has lowered admission standards with a feel good social agenda. We'll see if it yields any fruit in 10-20 years.

Pitt's average by your technique is actually 1275 according to the University's 2011-12 Common Data Set.

(Pitt's reported Honors College average is 1470. The Honors College represents 18%-20% of the total population).

On a similar note, here's a myriad of academic and research rankings.

All ranks are the places among US institutions, unless otherwise noted. Each represents the latest available rankings, except for Princeton Review, which just reports scores.

US News (#US); US Undergrad
Duke #10
UVA #25
Wake Forest #25
UNC #29
Boston College #31
Georgia Tech #36
Miami #38
Maryland #55
Pitt #58
Virginia Tech #71
Syracuse #62
Clemson #68
FSU #101
NC State #101


Princeton Review (Academic score, Selectivity Score, Quality of Life Score=Average); US Undergrad Higher is better
Miami 86, 96, 96=92.7
UNC 80, 98, 94=90.7
Virginia 85, 99, 88=90.7
Boston College 84, 96, 89=89.7
Pitt 78, 93, 98=89.7
Duke 95, 97, 70=87.3
Virginia Tech 71, 91, 98=86.7
Georgia Tech 72, 96, 81=83
NC State 77, 92, 95=88
Clemson 77, 89, 96=87.3
Wake Forest 89, 94, 74=85.7
FSU 68, 89, 86=81
Maryland 77, 95, 65=79
Syracuse 75, 89, 66=76.7


Center for Measuring University Performance (#extrapolated US); US, Overall
Duke #7
UNC #17
Pitt #26
UVA #35
Georgia Tech #39
Maryland #42
NC State #59
Virginia Tech #59
Miami #67
FSU #77 (est)
Wake Forest #77 (est)
Clemson #99 (est)
Boston College unranked (85+)
Syracuse unranked (85+)


Washington Monthly (#US); US, Overall
UNC #12
Syracuse #14
Duke #27
Wake Forest #36
Virginia Tech #43
NC State #51
Virginia #53
Georgia Tech #54
Boston College #63
Pitt #91
Maryland #92
FSU: #106
Clemson #128
Miami #157


Times Higher Education (#US); World Ranking (London) Overall
Duke #16
Georgia Tech #17
UNC #28
Pitt #35
Maryland #48
UVA #58
Wake Forest #67
Miami #71
Boston College #74
Virginia Tech #89
Clemson #105
Syracuse UR 114+
NC State UR: 114+
FSU UR: 114+


Quacquarelli Symonds World Ranking (#World) (London) Overall Ranking represents place among World Universities
Duke #19
UNC #55
Georgia Tech #84
Maryland #113
Pitt #116
UVA #126
Miami #230
Wake Forest #272
NC State #277
Virginia Tech #326
Boston College #349
Florida State #401
Syracuse #501
Clemson #601


SIR Rankings (#US); World Ranking (Spain) Research
Pitt #16
UNC # 27
Georgia Tech #35
Maryland #39
Virginia #49
Duke #52 & 58
NCSU #53
Virginia Tech #56
Miami #73
Florida State #101
Wake Forest #118
Clemson #143
Syracuse #179
Boston College #229


HEEACT Ranking (#US) World Ranking (Taiwan) Research
Duke #13
UNC #18
Pitt #19
Maryland #39
UVA #53
Miami #60
Georgia Tech #61
Wake Forest #81
NCSU #84
FSU #100
Virginia Tech #107
Boston College #135
Syracuse #139
Clemson #144


University Ranking by Academic Peformance(#US); Turkey, Research
Duke #14
Pitt #17
UNC #30
Maryland #36
UVA #45
Georgia Tech #48
Miami #51
NC State #60
Virginia Tech #72
FSU #81
Wake Forest #87
Clemson #119
Syracuse #138
Boston College #163


Academic Ranking of World Universities (#US); China, Research
Duke #27
Maryland #29
UNC #30
Pitt #38
Georgia Tech #54
Virginia #54
FSU #69
Miami #69
NC State #69
Virginia Tech #69
Clemson #111
Syracuse #111
Wake Forest #111
Boston College #138

High Impact Universities (#World); Australia, Research
Duke #21
UNC #26
Pitt #31
Maryland #34
Virginia #43
Boston College #45
Georgia Tech #56
Miami #113
NC State #134
FSU #150
Virginia Tech #163
Wake Forest #189
Clemson #312
Syracuse #353

Leiden Rankings (#US); The Netherlands, Research
Impact by Total Citation Score, Normalized Citation Score, and Impact # top 10 publications
Duke #14, 17, 17
Pitt #16, 18, 18
UNC #20, 24, 22
Georgia Tech #47, 35, 33
Maryland #51, 36, 38
Virginia #42, 45, 46
NC State #76, 56, 60
Miami #63, 64, 67
Virginia Tech #94, 68, 74
FSU #99, 85, 84
Wake Forest #81, 92, 94
Clemson #122, 116, 116
Boston College #128+, 128+, 128+
Syracuse #128+, 128+, 128+

Leiden Rankings (#US); The Netherlands, Research
Normalized to School Size (Citation Score, Normalized Citation Score, # 10% publications)
Georgia Tech #66, 14, 15
Duke #17, 25, 25
UNC #23, 26, 28
Maryland #89, 34, 39
Pitt #34, 51, 43
Virginia #53, 62, 55
Wake #51, 73, 80
FSU #109, 74, 71
Miami #65, 79, 85
NC State #116, 82, 100
Virginia Tech #120, 91, 94
Clemson #119, 111, 113
Boston College #128+, 128+, 128+
Syracuse #128+, 128+, 128+




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Wake no longer accepts the SAT.

Every single ranking that isn't normalized per student capita is a joke. Yes, this means USN&WR is a joke. And in fact most of the rest are too.

(04-24-2012 01:02 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 12:13 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Over the weekend I went to bat for Syracuse when someone made a remark about their average SAT scores. Then I ran the numbers....

Rank / School / Avg SAT*
1 / Duke / 1440
2 / BC / 1350
2 / UVA / 1350
4 / GTech / 1335
5 / UMD / 1325
6 / Wake / 1320
7 / UNC / 1305
8 / Miami / 1295
9 / Pitt / 1260
10 / Clem / 1235
11 / VTech / 1220
12 / FSU / 1200
13 / NCState / 1180
14 / Cuse / 1160

Cuse, what happened? Also, we're all getting smoked by Duke.

*I had to use a couple different sources to compile this, so if there's a correction that needs to be made in order to include the most up to date numbers, feel free to make it. To calculate the average, I took the mean of the 25% and 75% scores, Math and Reading sections only.

I'm not sure if your number is correct but Chancy Nancy has lowered admission standards with a feel good social agenda. We'll see if it yields any fruit in 10-20 years.

It's close. In doing it quickly, I got 1170 which is still last. If we required the 2007 numbers we'd have finished tied at 11th with VT at 1220.

Cantor is gambling short-term. Whether or not her strategy will have the long-term benefits she sees, remains in doubt. But if one follows her writings and thoughts on the topic she isn't doing this willy/nilly on a whim. It is a strategy, just a dangerous one that apparently the Board has bought into for the past five years.

How much more leeway she gets remains to be seen. But as long as she and SU together are seen as a vital economic engine for the revitalization of the city of Syracuse, she'll have the community support as well.

In the meantime, being associated with the other fine institutions in the ACC won't hurt.

Cheers,
Neil

I believe a more recent figure for Miami is 1365 for the SAT. Don't know how accurate I am, but that's what I calculated/saw. In addition, this year's freshman class at UM has been touted as the best-performing in school history, so I imagine it's even higher now.

(04-24-2012 04:18 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  I believe a more recent figure for Miami is 1365 for the SAT. Don't know how accurate I am, but that's what I calculated/saw. In addition, this year's freshman class at UM has been touted as the best-performing in school history, so I imagine it's even higher now.

Miami's current average SATs (as calculated by the method of the OP) is 1315.

Miami Common Data Set 2011-12

(04-24-2012 04:01 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Every single ranking that isn't normalized per student capita is a joke. Yes, this means USN&WR is a joke. And in fact most of the rest are too.

That depends on what any particular ranking is attempting to measure. Research rankings don't necessarily make sense to normalize by undergraduate student capita.

Every ranking has flaws.

(04-24-2012 03:55 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Wake no longer accepts the SAT.

Wakes current average SATs (as computed by the method of the OP) is 1315.

Wake Forest 2011-12 Common Data Set, page 8

(04-24-2012 04:49 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 04:18 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  I believe a more recent figure for Miami is 1365 for the SAT. Don't know how accurate I am, but that's what I calculated/saw. In addition, this year's freshman class at UM has been touted as the best-performing in school history, so I imagine it's even higher now.

Miami's current average SATs (as calculated by the method of the OP) is 1315.

Miami Common Data Set 2011-12

OK, well there you go! I'm fairly certain it will be quite higher for the 2012-13 year though, nice to see that improvement.

(04-24-2012 04:11 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 01:02 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-24-2012 12:13 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Over the weekend I went to bat for Syracuse when someone made a remark about their average SAT scores. Then I ran the numbers....

Rank / School / Avg SAT*
1 / Duke / 1440
2 / BC / 1350
2 / UVA / 1350
4 / GTech / 1335
5 / UMD / 1325
6 / Wake / 1320
7 / UNC / 1305
8 / Miami / 1295
9 / Pitt / 1260
10 / Clem / 1235
11 / VTech / 1220
12 / FSU / 1200
13 / NCState / 1180
14 / Cuse / 1160

Cuse, what happened? Also, we're all getting smoked by Duke.

*I had to use a couple different sources to compile this, so if there's a correction that needs to be made in order to include the most up to date numbers, feel free to make it. To calculate the average, I took the mean of the 25% and 75% scores, Math and Reading sections only.

I'm not sure if your number is correct but Chancy Nancy has lowered admission standards with a feel good social agenda. We'll see if it yields any fruit in 10-20 years.

It's close. In doing it quickly, I got 1170 which is still last. If we required the 2007 numbers we'd have finished tied at 11th with VT at 1220.

Cantor is gambling short-term. Whether or not her strategy will have the long-term benefits she sees, remains in doubt. But if one follows her writings and thoughts on the topic she isn't doing this willy/nilly on a whim. It is a strategy, just a dangerous one that apparently the Board has bought into for the past five years.

How much more leeway she gets remains to be seen. But as long as she and SU together are seen as a vital economic engine for the revitalization of the city of Syracuse, she'll have the community support as well.

In the meantime, being associated with the other fine institutions in the ACC won't hurt.

Cheers,
Neil


So the university president is actively LOWERING admissions standards?

Ok, here are the most recent average SAT scores as calculated by the OP...

1. Duke 1475
2. Georgia Tech 1355
3. Boston College 1350
3. Virginia 1350
5. Miami 1315
5. Wake Forest 1315
7. UNC 1300
8. Maryland 1295
9. Pitt 1275
10. Clemson 1235
11. Virginia Tech 1210
12. Florida State 1200
13. NC State 1185
14. Syracuse 1160

Conference average: 1287.1
Conference median: 1297.5

Well it looks like my dumb ass couldn't get accepted by any of these fine institutions. lol

As requested, here are the rest of the BCS Conferences.

ACC
1 Duke 1475
2 Georgia Tech 1355
3 Boston College 1350
3 Virginia 1350
5 Miami 1315
5 Wake Forest 1315
7 North Carolina 1300
8 Maryland 1295
9 Pitt 1275
10 Clemson 1235
11 Virginia Tech 1210
12 Florida State 1200
13 NC State 1185
14 Syracuse 1160
ACC average 1287.1
ACC median 1297.5


Big Ten
1 Northwestern 1445
2 Michigan 1350
3 Illinois 1335
4 Wisconsin 1290
5 Minnesota 1290
6 Ohio State 1250
7 Penn State 1195
8 Nebraska 1180
9 Purdue 1170
10 Indiana 1165
11 Iowa 1152.5
12 Michigan St 1125
Big Ten average 1245.625
Big Ten median 1222.5


Pac-12
1 Stanford 1455
2 USC 1385
3 Cal-Berkeley 1370
4 UCLA 1300
5 Washington 1215
6 Colorado 1170
7 Utah 1141.5
8 Oregon 1108
9 Arizona St 1105
10 Arizona 1095
11 Oregon St 1075
12 Washington St 1065
Pac-12 average 1207.041667
Pac-12 median 1155.75


SEC
1 Vanderbilt 1465
2 Florida 1260
3 Auburn 1240
4 Georgia 1215
5 Texas A&M 1210
6 South Carolina 1195
7 Missouri 1175
8 Tennessee 1165
9 LSU 1135
10 Arkansas 1130
11 Alabama 1127.5
12 Kentucky 1115
13 Mississippi St 1102.5
14 Mississippi 1055
SEC average 1185
SEC median 1170


Big 12
1 Texas 1250
2 Baylor 1235
3 Oklahoma 1180
4 TCU 1170
5 Iowa St 1145
5 Kansas 1145*
7 Oklahoma St 1110
8 Kansas St 1105*
8 Texas Tech 1105
10 West Virginia 1055
Big 12 average 1150
Big 12 median 1145
* converted from ACT

(04-24-2012 11:42 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  As requested, here are the rest of the BCS Conferences.

Big Ten
1 Northwestern 1445
2 Michigan 1350
3 Illinois 1335
4 Wisconsin 1290
5 Minnesota 1290
6 Ohio State 1250
7 Penn State 1195
8 Nebraska 1180
9 Purdue 1170
10 Indiana 1165
11 Iowa 1152.5
12 Michigan St 1125
Big Ten average 1245.625
Big Ten median 1222.5


Pac-12
1 Stanford 1455
2 USC 1385
3 Cal-Berkeley 1370
4 UCLA 1300
5 Washington 1215
6 Colorado 1170
7 Utah 1141.5
8 Oregon 1108
9 Arizona St 1105
10 Arizona 1095
11 Oregon St 1075
12 Washington St 1065
Pac-12 average 1207.041667
Pac-12 median 1155.75


SEC
1 Vanderbilt 1465
2 Florida 1260
3 Auburn 1240
4 Georgia 1215
5 Texas A&M 1210
6 South Carolina 1195
7 Missouri 1175
8 Tennessee 1165
9 LSU 1135
10 Arkansas 1130
11 Alabama 1127.5
12 Kentucky 1115
13 Mississippi St 1102.5
14 Mississippi 1055
SEC average 1185
SEC median 1170


Big 12
1 Texas 1250
2 Baylor 1235
3 Oklahoma 1180
4 TCU 1170
5 Iowa St 1145
5 Kansas 1145*
7 Oklahoma St 1110
8 Kansas St 1105*
8 Texas Tech 1105
10 West Virginia 1055
Big 12 average 1150
Big 12 median 1145
* converted from ACT

I'm glad I did the Navy thing and getting ready to do the CCAC thing...

Thanks for sharing Paco.

(04-24-2012 04:18 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  In addition, this year's freshman class at UM has been touted as the best-performing in school history, so I imagine it's even higher now.

Every school says that every year.

(04-24-2012 11:42 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  As requested, here are the rest of the BCS Conferences.

A.C.C. average 1287, median 1295
BigTen average 1246 median 1222.5
Pac-12 average 1207 median 1155.75
S.E.C. average 1185 median 1170
Big 12 average 1150 median 1145
* converted from ACT

1) Thanks, CrazyPaco!
2) WE'RE #1

(now, if we can just get the other conferences to make SAT scores a factor in the BCS poll...)