(05-02-2012 10:42 AM)cardshouse Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 08:04 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 09:14 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 08:56 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  So? You're discussing hypothetical situations about something that may never come to pass. They've been talking about the return of Florida State for a decade now...

Brah, I'm still waiting for the arrival of WVU.

Call me when Jimbo takes y'all to the top...

BTW, an unbeaten ACC Champ is low down on the heirarchy. The ACC has won fewer BCS bowls than any other major conference. Shoot, the MWC has as many BCS wins...

LOL, I can remember the last time FSU was relivant Bit....It was along time ago, #4FSU got beat by Louisville and things have not been the same for FSU. Miami & FSU are taking backseats to Florida, USF and dare I say UCF.

What, pray tell has USF or UCF done to even merit state wide relevance, much less surpass Florida State or Miami? USF got to #2 for a week in the weirdest football season ever (hell, BC got to #2 as well. No one considers them relevant) The next biggest event was what, beating Notre Dame to open last season? Being the catalyst to getting Bowden fired in 2009? UCF beating a 6-6 Georgia?

Pull the other one. It's got bells and whistles.

(05-01-2012 09:18 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 10:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  except they haven't. The reason why the margin wasn't that close between Alabama and Oklahoma St was the fact that Alabama was 2nd in 2 of the 6 computers. So the margin was only 2.25 for OSU to 2.75 for Alabama. That made it a lot easier for Alabama. If OSU had been 2 to Alabama at 3- OSU would have only needed like 6-7 votes to switch to get up to #2. Instead it was a lot greater number.

No, the Big 12 not having a CG was OSU's downfall. And that's the EXACT same reason a 12-1 ACC Champ FSU would have a great shot to get in over an 11-1 Texas.

Last year- OSU couldn't have been much better in the computers than they were. They weren't going to pass undefeated LSU in the computers. A conference title game vs a mediocre north school wouldn't have helped much at all.

The interesting thing would have been if a 1 loss Oregon team had made it to the PAC-12 title game, preferably through beating someone else and not playing LSU, thus avoiding the rematch debate. How bad do they get hurt from playing a 6-6 UCLA team that final weekend even while Alabama sat at home.

(05-01-2012 09:50 AM)bronconick Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 08:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and- I'm sorry, but even though it's Florida St. If it's 12-1 Florida St vs a 12-1 Big Ten team- the Big Ten team is going to get the nod almost every time. Being in the ACC kills FSU there.

Wrong. A 12-1 Michigan or Ohio State, yes. Nebraska? Maybe. Penn State? Maybe. 12-1 Michigan State? Enjoy the Capital One Bowl. Again. 12-1 Northwestern? Don't make me laugh.

This is right.

Florida State would do fine in a "name" battle. What the ACC needs in the superficial perception battle is for FSU, VT, or Miami to win the league with fewer than two losses. It doesn't help the ACC with the "experts" when Wake Forest or Maryland wins the ACC. That's not fair, but it's the way it is. If we started seeing Indiana and Minnesota in the Rose Bowl, or Kentucky and Mississippi State winning the SEC, "experts" wouldn't be talking about how great those teams were, they would be saying that it proves their leagues are down.

(05-02-2012 02:18 PM)bronconick Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 10:42 AM)cardshouse Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 08:04 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 09:14 PM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(05-01-2012 08:56 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  So? You're discussing hypothetical situations about something that may never come to pass. They've been talking about the return of Florida State for a decade now...

Brah, I'm still waiting for the arrival of WVU.

Call me when Jimbo takes y'all to the top...

BTW, an unbeaten ACC Champ is low down on the heirarchy. The ACC has won fewer BCS bowls than any other major conference. Shoot, the MWC has as many BCS wins...

LOL, I can remember the last time FSU was relivant Bit....It was along time ago, #4FSU got beat by Louisville and things have not been the same for FSU. Miami & FSU are taking backseats to Florida, USF and dare I say UCF.

What, pray tell has USF or UCF done to even merit state wide relevance, much less surpass Florida State or Miami? USF got to #2 for a week in the weirdest football season ever (hell, BC got to #2 as well. No one considers them relevant) The next biggest event was what, beating Notre Dame to open last season? Being the catalyst to getting Bowden fired in 2009? UCF beating a 6-6 Georgia?

Pull the other one. It's got bells and whistles.

Florida State I'll give you. But USF has pretty much caught up to Miami, and with the investigation into the 'canes football program, the Bulls may end up surpassing them in the very near future...

UCF has yet to catch either program. But USF has wins against both, which leaves the debate about the Bulls vs other major programs in Florida open for discussion...

Their current teams are likely to be better than Miami's. I understand that recruits remember the last 3 years or so and that's it. I just personally refuse to believe that history is so utterly worthless on all levels that a school that started a football program 16 years ago and has yet to win an outright conference title can totally surpass a school that played for back to back national titles 10 and 11 years ago and won one. The real risk for Miami is if it takes a dozen years to recover after probation. Then they're 25 years removed.

Has USF surpassed a team that hasn't played for a title in 30 or 40 years and hasn't competed well in conference play like a Pitt? Sure. History becomes less important as time goes on, but I just don't think a decade is enough time to bury it completely.

As for head to head wins: Meh. Central Michigan has 3 wins in 8 tries vs. MSU. No one thinks they're closing the gap between 2 and 3 in the state of Michigan.

OK I'm totally assuming here BUT, there is an interesting situation arising right now. I have to assume that the Big XII is going to align itself with the PAC 12 and B1G 10 due to the Bowlsby hire. Where things get interesting is that the Indy's will obviously align itself with the SEC and ACC. The question is could the Big East be the key wildcard vote for a compromise? All the more reason for the BE to continue Major Status here on out. IMHO

The Indy's don't get a vote. Notre Dame does, and Swarbrick stays pretty close to Delany. It's 4 votes and done with this Big XII hire, IMO.