(04-28-2012 12:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The constant ignorance of the media of what "elimination of AQ status" means is grating.

The removal of AQ status does NOT mean the removal of contractual tie-ins. The ACC has a contractual tie-in with the Orange Bowl. If the semifinals are going to be played in the BCS bowls with placement based on tie-ins, then the Orange (or someone else) needs to have an ACC tie-in in order to have have any chance at hosting a semifinal and, in the years that it's not a semifinal, have free market access to the 2nd place SEC and Big Ten teams that are desirable.

People need to stop lumping the ACC in with the Big East here. They are in the power group and with that contractual tie-in, they'll be guaranteed the same amount per year as the other power conferences regardless of whether they have a top 4 team. The loss of AQ status only applies to the Big East because they never had a contractual tie-in with one of the BCS bowls.

I disagree, the bowl will lose a ton of value if there is a 4 team playoff in place. The "NIT" of football. The Big East is the biggest loser of the loss of AQ but the ACC isn't far behind

(04-28-2012 11:01 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  An opinion piece by some random reporter that uses USA Today's opinion of the BE as justification for his opinion. Brilliant.
All so it can be slanted that UL needs to be in the BIG XII. Lol.

SOS is not going to keep the BE out. Just schedule better, and win your OOC's and bowls. That will trickle down and improve the SOS of the conference games as well.

This is no news and a worry wart mentality. Boise St., HOUSTON, SMU, and UCF will be bringing strong football to a conference and will automatically improve conference SOS by play on the field. That will show up in the REAL SOS numbers not some opinion of a random reporter and a USA Today article from 6 months ago.

Spin it baby!

Rick Bozich writes for the Louisville paper; I doubt you can call him some random reporter and I'm not sure why you're saying the column is from 6 months ago. It was posted on the website at 5:23 AM, Apr. 28, 2012 which was this morning.

(04-28-2012 11:56 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech assure the ACC as a power conference. Just like Oklahoma and Texas assure the XII as a power conference. Same with USC and Oregon in the PAC. Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and LSU in the SEC. OSU, Michigan, and PSU in the B1G.

FSU and Miami have been skating by on their past reputation. Virginia Tech has been shown time and time again to be able to not win the big one. Their bowl record is pretty horrible overall. In recent years, they've won one Orange Bowl beating Cincinnati and losing to Kansas and Stanford in the Orange and lost to Michigan in the 2012 Sugar Bowl.

They finished 7th in the 2005 season. That was their highest ranking over the past decade or so.

Last season, Florida State started as the number 6 team and ended up 25th. Miami ended the 2009 season ranked 15th. That will probably be the last time they're ranked for the foreseeable future because of the the most recent scandal involving the football program.

Pitt and Syracuse add very little to ACC football. I'm not sure how long it's going to take before people forget the humiliation heaped upon Clemson by WVU in the Orange Bowl.

Oklahoma and Texas have traditionally been the powers in the Big 12 but you also have Kansas State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State winning over the past few years. Adding two successful programs in TCU and WVU help cement the status of the Big 12 as a power conference.

In the Big 10, you have Wisconsin and Michigan State being successful as well.

It's the same thing with the SEC and to a lesser extent, the Pac 12.

You don't have a deep bench in the ACC and you really don't have any bench at all in the BE now.

Oh dear Jesus Theo... Come TF on... What holds true today doesn't mean it'll hold true tomorrow. We all can agree that the ACC is down today right... right... Doesn't mean that the ACC will be down this upcoming year or 5 years from now. Every Conference has their runs on top and runs where they're sluggish. If you don't understand that whatever.

Dude, you went into detail on where ACC teams have finished but failed to mention where those Big XII teams finished.

What exactly has Texas done lately? just sayin

(04-28-2012 03:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  Dude, you went into detail on where ACC teams have finished but failed to mention where those Big XII teams finished.

Do we need to? Last year Clemson finished higher in the final BCS poll than WVU. What did that get Clemson or the ACC? Another BCS loss to The BEast...

(04-28-2012 03:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly has Texas done lately? just sayin

Gotten a lot of print about how great they're going to be, if they ever discover an offense...

(04-28-2012 11:01 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  An opinion piece by some random reporter that uses USA Today's opinion of the BE as justification for his opinion. Brilliant.
All so it can be slanted that UL needs to be in the BIG XII. Lol.

SOS is not going to keep the BE out. Just schedule better, and win your OOC's and bowls. That will trickle down and improve the SOS of the conference games as well.

This is no news and a worry wart mentality. Boise St., HOUSTON, SMU, and UCF will be bringing strong football to a conference and will automatically improve conference SOS by play on the field. That will show up in the REAL SOS numbers not some opinion of a random reporter and a USA Today article from 6 months ago.

Spin it baby!

Though I seldom agree with Rick he is not some hack cub reporter. He is well respected in his field. He is not a news reporter, he is a columnist. He is paid to write thought provoking pieces. I believe he has accomplished that here as there are over 50 responses to his opinion.

If you question Rick's agenda I suggest you contact him at the number or via his email listed below.

Phone: (502) 582-4650
E-mail: rbozich@courier-journal.com

I am sure he would be interested in hearing from you.
CJ

West Virginia's use of the chip on its shoulder after being passed on by the ACC and SEC have officially made them the crazy cat lady of conference expansion

(04-28-2012 03:29 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  Dude, you went into detail on where ACC teams have finished but failed to mention where those Big XII teams finished.

Do we need to? Last year Clemson finished higher in the final BCS poll than WVU. What did that get Clemson or the ACC? Another BCS loss to The BEast...

(04-28-2012 03:20 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What exactly has Texas done lately? just sayin

Gotten a lot of print about how great they're going to be, if they ever discover an offense...

What we're saying is that this can be spun both ways. And I'm not an ACC apologist... The thought that the ACC will somehow be left behind is ridiculous.

(04-28-2012 03:36 PM)fsugrad99 Wrote:  West Virginia's use of the chip on its shoulder after being passed on by the ACC and SEC have officially made them the crazy cat lady of conference expansion

Its beyond pathetic.

I tend to agree, Joey. But I never pass up a shot on the ACC when I get the opportunity, and they left me such a nice opening too...

BTW, the chip on the shoulder was placed there long ago by carpetbagging yankees...

Quote:West Virginia's use of the chip on its shoulder after being passed on by the ACC and SEC have officially made them the crazy cat lady of conference expansion

Exactly.

(04-28-2012 03:30 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 11:01 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  An opinion piece by some random reporter that uses USA Today's opinion of the BE as justification for his opinion. Brilliant.
All so it can be slanted that UL needs to be in the BIG XII. Lol.

SOS is not going to keep the BE out. Just schedule better, and win your OOC's and bowls. That will trickle down and improve the SOS of the conference games as well.

This is no news and a worry wart mentality. Boise St., HOUSTON, SMU, and UCF will be bringing strong football to a conference and will automatically improve conference SOS by play on the field. That will show up in the REAL SOS numbers not some opinion of a random reporter and a USA Today article from 6 months ago.

Spin it baby!

Though I seldom agree with Rick he is not some hack cub reporter. He is well respected in his field. He is not a news reporter, he is a columnist. He is paid to write thought provoking pieces. I believe he has accomplished that here as there are over 50 responses to his opinion.

If you question Rick's agenda I suggest you contact him at the number or via his email listed below.

Phone: (502) 582-4650
E-mail: rbozich@courier-journal.com

I am sure he would be interested in hearing from you.
CJ

I thought it was a great piece myself. If I was UL, I'd also be doing my hardest to get into the SEC and ACC as hard as I'm trying to get into the Big XII.

How some fans on here are twisting this is absurd.

(04-28-2012 03:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I tend to agree, Joey. But I never pass up a shot on the ACC when I get the opportunity, and they left me such a nice opening too...

BTW, the chip on the shoulder was placed there long ago by carpetbagging yankees...

I can agree. Its not like the ACC has done anything to get the neg press off their backs.

(04-28-2012 02:48 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 11:56 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Florida State, Miami, and Virginia Tech assure the ACC as a power conference. Just like Oklahoma and Texas assure the XII as a power conference. Same with USC and Oregon in the PAC. Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and LSU in the SEC. OSU, Michigan, and PSU in the B1G.

FSU and Miami have been skating by on their past reputation. Virginia Tech has been shown time and time again to be able to not win the big one. Their bowl record is pretty horrible overall. In recent years, they've won one Orange Bowl beating Cincinnati and losing to Kansas and Stanford in the Orange and lost to Michigan in the 2012 Sugar Bowl.

They finished 7th in the 2005 season. That was their highest ranking over the past decade or so.

Last season, Florida State started as the number 6 team and ended up 25th. Miami ended the 2009 season ranked 15th. That will probably be the last time they're ranked for the foreseeable future because of the the most recent scandal involving the football program.

Pitt and Syracuse add very little to ACC football. I'm not sure how long it's going to take before people forget the humiliation heaped upon Clemson by WVU in the Orange Bowl.

Oklahoma and Texas have traditionally been the powers in the Big 12 but you also have Kansas State, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State winning over the past few years. Adding two successful programs in TCU and WVU help cement the status of the Big 12 as a power conference.

In the Big 10, you have Wisconsin and Michigan State being successful as well.

It's the same thing with the SEC and to a lesser extent, the Pac 12.

You don't have a deep bench in the ACC and you really don't have any bench at all in the BE now.

Starters - VT, FSU, Miami vs UL, UC, Boise

Bench - Clemson, Wake, Pitt, UNC vs UConn, Houston, USF, SMU

I'd comfortably take these matchups, and put our "non-bench" against the ACC.

(04-28-2012 03:42 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I tend to agree, Joey. But I never pass up a shot on the ACC when I get the opportunity, and they left me such a nice opening too...

BTW, the chip on the shoulder was placed there long ago by carpetbagging yankees...

I can agree. Its not like the ACC has done anything to get the neg press off their backs.

In all honesty, they had cover thanks to the Big East. Now that everyone can agree the Big East has, unfortunately, been benched so to speak, it's time to go looking for the next "privileged" conference that may be lacking. And all the things that we pointed to as BE fans are finally having some light shown on them.

But just as winning BCS Bowl games didn't take that spotlight off the Big East (after all MWC and Boise won them too), not winning BCS Bowl games didn't hurt the ACC.

Assuming the recent past holds for a while longer, will only going to 1 or 2 Football Final Fours in the first 5 years of the playoff be the straw that breaks the back of the ACC? Time will tell.

Obviously, I hope not and I believe it won't happen. But I have to at least consider the possibility.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-28-2012 03:36 PM)fsugrad99 Wrote:  West Virginia's use of the chip on its shoulder after being passed on by the ACC and SEC have officially made them the crazy cat lady of conference expansion

I don't think that any WVU fan has a chip on his shoulder. We're in what is arguably the 2nd best conference right now-no one can top the SEC currently.

I wish we did get in the SEC but we didn't. I'm glad that we didn't end up in the ACC.

The Big 12 is the best possible league for us. The only drawback is travel but they have these things called airplanes and that makes it very easy for people to travel great distances.

WVU fans are excited to be in the Big 12. We're out of the BE and that's the best thing that could have happened.

Call us crazy cat ladies-I don't think it's going to bother anyone.

(04-28-2012 06:31 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:36 PM)fsugrad99 Wrote:  West Virginia's use of the chip on its shoulder after being passed on by the ACC and SEC have officially made them the crazy cat lady of conference expansion

I don't think that any WVU fan has a chip on his shoulder. We're in what is arguably the 2nd best conference right now-no one can top the SEC currently.

I wish we did get in the SEC but we didn't. I'm glad that we didn't end up in the ACC.

The Big 12 is the best possible league for us. The only drawback is travel but they have these things called airplanes and that makes it very easy for people to travel great distances.

WVU fans are excited to be in the Big 12. We're out of the BE and that's the best thing that could have happened.

Call us crazy cat ladies-I don't think it's going to bother anyone.

Frankly, the Big-12 is probably second only to the SEC on the football field. Its no wonder the WV fans are excited. Its only disadvantage is its reliance on Texas for much of its riches. But as long as Texas and Oklahoma remain---its a heck of a conference.

(04-28-2012 12:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Well Florida STate did try last year. The Oklahoma game was a huge success in ratings but proved that the top ACC team in preseason wasn't prepared for a big game.

Yea, tied 13-13 mid-way through the 4th quarter but FSU wasn't prepared at all.