(05-05-2012 04:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What's your thoughts on FSU and Clemson leading the charge to start a new conference.

Doubt it would ever happen because of the autobid deal, but if it were to happen and the money was right I'd be all for it as long as we left Tabakky Rd behind.

(05-05-2012 04:52 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 04:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What's your thoughts on FSU and Clemson leading the charge to start a new conference.

Doubt it would ever happen because of the autobid deal, but if it were to happen and the money was right I'd be all for it as long as we left Tabakky Rd behind.

I'd think that it would be a hard pressed to think that a league consisting of Miami, FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech, Virginia Tech wouldn't have an AQ bid. And even if there wasn't one in hoops there probably would be 3,4, to 5 teams making it to the big dance regardless of an AQ or not.

(05-05-2012 10:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  The three previous commissioners came from Wake Forest, Maryland and Dook. I would imagine that the next commissioner will come from a member institution too.

Hopefully you are wrong because it's small time thinking that comes from promoting from within that has got us in the mess we are in. We need someone to come from the outside and say "These are the problems, this is how you fix it." not some puppet like Swofford.

Quote:BTW it's ESPN that frowns upon the FCS opponents in week 12, it dilutes the conference inventory. The beef with the scheduling issue should be laid at the feet of TV, not the conference office.

Then the conference office needs to grow a set of balls and remind our TV "partner" that they seemingly have no problem with it for the SEC. Remind the that Clemson/FSU/GT and Wake playing a FCS team for game #11 means that in the majority of the cases they are going to get a conference game to air in weeks 1/2/3.

(05-05-2012 05:34 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 10:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  The three previous commissioners came from Wake Forest, Maryland and Dook. I would imagine that the next commissioner will come from a member institution too.

Hopefully you are wrong because it's small time thinking that comes from promoting from within that has got us in the mess we are in. We need someone to come from the outside and say "These are the problems, this is how you fix it." not some puppet like Swofford.

Quote:BTW it's ESPN that frowns upon the FCS opponents in week 12, it dilutes the conference inventory. The beef with the scheduling issue should be laid at the feet of TV, not the conference office.

Then the conference office needs to grow a set of balls and remind our TV "partner" that they seemingly have no problem with it for the SEC. Remind the that Clemson/FSU/GT and Wake playing a FCS team for game #11 means that in the majority of the cases they are going to get a conference game to air in weeks 1/2/3.

Nice post. These are the kinds of things that need to be done to save the ACC and make it thrive. [CatDaddy the voice of reason here?]

(05-05-2012 06:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 05:34 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 10:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  The three previous commissioners came from Wake Forest, Maryland and Dook. I would imagine that the next commissioner will come from a member institution too.

Hopefully you are wrong because it's small time thinking that comes from promoting from within that has got us in the mess we are in. We need someone to come from the outside and say "These are the problems, this is how you fix it." not some puppet like Swofford.

Quote:BTW it's ESPN that frowns upon the FCS opponents in week 12, it dilutes the conference inventory. The beef with the scheduling issue should be laid at the feet of TV, not the conference office.

Then the conference office needs to grow a set of balls and remind our TV "partner" that they seemingly have no problem with it for the SEC. Remind the that Clemson/FSU/GT and Wake playing a FCS team for game #11 means that in the majority of the cases they are going to get a conference game to air in weeks 1/2/3.

Nice post. These are the kinds of things that need to be done to save the ACC and make it thrive. [CatDaddy the voice of reason here?]

Absolutely.

I have a very difficult time believing any rumor that has Clemson alone throwing its lot with Texas (and the warts that come with Texas, DeLodd, etc).

All this is is sabre rattling with the intent to get John Swofford removed as Commish.

(05-05-2012 07:16 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  I have a very difficult time believing any rumor that has Clemson alone throwing its lot with Texas (and the warts that come with Texas, DeLodd, etc).

All this is is sabre rattling with the intent to get John Swofford removed as Commish.

Come to think of it, didn't Oklahoma pull the same move last fall to get Beebe removed?

I don't want to play a FCS team before we play Vandy. I prefer the years when we don't schedule a FCS team at all. But if we're going to play one to pad the schedule I prefer it to be the very first game to work some kinks out before the real season starts.

(05-05-2012 06:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 05:34 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(05-05-2012 10:36 AM)XLance Wrote:  The three previous commissioners came from Wake Forest, Maryland and Dook. I would imagine that the next commissioner will come from a member institution too.

Hopefully you are wrong because it's small time thinking that comes from promoting from within that has got us in the mess we are in. We need someone to come from the outside and say "These are the problems, this is how you fix it." not some puppet like Swofford.

Quote:BTW it's ESPN that frowns upon the FCS opponents in week 12, it dilutes the conference inventory. The beef with the scheduling issue should be laid at the feet of TV, not the conference office.

Then the conference office needs to grow a set of balls and remind our TV "partner" that they seemingly have no problem with it for the SEC. Remind the that Clemson/FSU/GT and Wake playing a FCS team for game #11 means that in the majority of the cases they are going to get a conference game to air in weeks 1/2/3.

Nice post. These are the kinds of things that need to be done to save the ACC and make it thrive. [CatDaddy the voice of reason here?]

Interesting blog post on SouthernPigskin.com about the 11 teams which have left one major football conference for another (6 from the BigEast, 5 from the SWC/Big12, none from any other conference). He points out that the 5 who left the SWC/Big12 all did so primarily to escape the Texas Longhorns (full disclose - this article is written by a UNC graduate).

Why does that name WoadBlue sound so familiar?

I am not so sure that FSU and Clemson are ready to jump just yet. Sure the ACC contract with ESPN will probably be less than the others. The ACC does have the possibility to more than make that up by creating an ACC TV network. There are a lot of people in the ACC area so potentially the money from this network could possibly exceed the other conferences.
Someone just needs to tell the ACC head office that this is something they should look into.
Hopefully, they will notice that the other conferences either have or are creating a TV network will encourage them to do the same.

(05-05-2012 11:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Interesting blog post on SouthernPigskin.com about the 11 teams which have left one major football conference for another (6 from the BigEast, 5 from the SWC/Big12, none from any other conference). He points out that the 5 who left the SWC/Big12 all did so primarily to escape the Texas Longhorns (full disclose - this article is written by a UNC graduate).

Oh, god. Woadblue? That guy doesn't know jack. One of several huge UNC tools on the FSU Scout board telling everybody that FSU would never leave, ever. Blah blah blah.

(05-06-2012 12:24 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I am not so sure that FSU and Clemson are ready to jump just yet. Sure the ACC contract with ESPN will probably be less than the others. The ACC does have the possibility to more than make that up by creating an ACC TV network. There are a lot of people in the ACC area so potentially the money from this network could possibly exceed the other conferences.
Someone just needs to tell the ACC head office that this is something they should look into.
Hopefully, they will notice that the other conferences either have or are creating a TV network will encourage them to do the same.

The ACC doesn't own 3rd tier rights so I don't see how they can start a network given the current structure of the ESPN contract.

(05-06-2012 12:16 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Why does that name WoadBlue sound so familiar?

The center of the universe to him is UNC and the ACC. Everyone of his posts reflects this. He occasionally posts on the Pitt scout site.

UNC and its fans are getting on my nerves. Hopefully the other 13 schools will put them in their place and we can get on with winning some national championships in football. (Even Larry Fedora could benefit from that!)

Like myself, Woad Blue will never be accused of being succinct.

He's wrong on facts moreso than most of the better posters. But what's sad is that he often refuses to admit it even when he's proven wrong. The ACC - IAC being comparable to the BiG's CIC the most recent example. Not that the ACC couldn't come up with a rival academic consortium to the CIC, just that the IAC isn't anywhere near the ballpark of the CIC at the present time, as he seems to believe it is.

A few years back he went to all of the Big East boards and said how the ACC needed to be more football-oriented and that barring an ND-PSU expansion the conference should expand with West Virginia and Rutgers to increase its football profile.

After several exchanges with him where I indicated that the next two BE teams the ACC would target would be Syracuse and Pitt, he dismissed this outright due to Syracuse, saying the league had no interest in them anymore. He eventually would relent on Pitt when I indicated to him that most of the ACC expansion moves had a secondary goal in mind - making the ACC a viable option for the Irish if they gave up independence. This latter notion he agreed with and said that was the main reason why BC got chosen over Syracuse last time out.

The ironic part in all of this is that he is admonishing Clemson and FSU fans for chasing the $$$ when in reality what these fans truly desire is to be in a conference with better football - the exact same motive Woad Blue himself had just a few years ago.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-06-2012 08:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  UNC and its fans are getting on my nerves. Hopefully the other 13 schools will put them in their place and we can get on with winning some national championships in football. (Even Larry Fedora could benefit from that!)

What did I do? Look, WoadBlue is an impossible, unlikeable, entirely aggravating poster who goes on everyone school's boards and ends up annoying the crap out of them. I wince every time I see him post somewhere with UNC's logo under his name because he is a very poor representative of the school and it makes me wish posters couldn't use their school's logo. Just ask the Notre Dame folks when all the articles came out in the press back in the fall that they should go to the ACC. He is NOT reflective of the average Carolina fan. I can't remember if it's this thread or not but I'm for the ouster of Swofford because of the nature of the long-term deal with ESPN forged during a recession. I think a candidate should come in from the outside to replace him. Just remember that one or two fans do not embody a school and try to refrain from blanket statements about an entire fan base just because of a couple of fools out there. I'm an ACC fan and rooted very hard for VT against Michigan when they were totally jobbed by the referee on the Danny Coale TD in endzone. That was a catch and you guys AND our conference were hosed. This is a trying time for the conference. Let's all be in this together.

(05-06-2012 01:12 AM)JustAnotherName Wrote:  

(05-06-2012 12:24 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I am not so sure that FSU and Clemson are ready to jump just yet. Sure the ACC contract with ESPN will probably be less than the others. The ACC does have the possibility to more than make that up by creating an ACC TV network. There are a lot of people in the ACC area so potentially the money from this network could possibly exceed the other conferences.
Someone just needs to tell the ACC head office that this is something they should look into.
Hopefully, they will notice that the other conferences either have or are creating a TV network will encourage them to do the same.

The ACC doesn't own 3rd tier rights so I don't see how they can start a network given the current structure of the ESPN contract.

Its ok that the ACC does not own their 3rd tier rights. All the other conferences use partners in their conference networks (i.e. - Fox, ESPN). It would be to ESPN's advantage to be a partner in this network as there is a lot of content that they the ACC can generate that would never be shown on the ESPN family of networks. ESPN would gain a share and the ACC would gain a share. The incenti ve for ESPN is that they would make money that they would not have a chance to make otherwise. Think of it this way there are sports that could be monetized that ESPN would never show on their own networks.

Ok I am the guest here so I promise to be on my best behavior guys.

I just wanted to add in one thought that I havn't seen said in response to the talk about teams leaving the Big 12 because of big bad Texas.

When an Institution has decided that it is time to pick up roots and leave traditions behind that is a very tough thing to try and tell the alumni and fans about. I imagine it would be a very stressful position to be in. What makes that position easier is if you can point to a scape goat.

Now I would never go so far as to say Texas isn't a pain in the ass to deal with. Obviously they can be.

Colorado has a better pipeline to the West these days. Doesn't seem they can pull from Texas anymore. Colorado folks generally fit in better culturally with those to the West. Colorado moved to the PAC because it is the best fit for them. They now have yearly big games in California, that is huge for them. I don't even think the Buffs are pointing a finger at Texas, they just jumped at their dream position.

Nebraska most definitely was annoyed with Texas for basically taking the life out of the OU/NU match up in the eyes of OU fans. At this point much of the tradition that held Nebraska to the Big 12 just wasn't there anymore. They knew Missouri would jump immediately to any invite given to them by the Big Ten so they worked to get that position instead. The Big Ten is about big names and Nebraska is a bigger name in football, they got the spot. It was a money move and once again another cultural move. Dropping Texas in the equation is once again just the blame game to cover ass with Nebraska boosters and alumni who may not have wanted to leave.

Missouri has been trying to get out for awhile. They have been wanting to be in the Big Ten. When you know one of your conference mates wants to leave how are you going to feel towards them? It is not really a recipe for good relations between Missouri and the southern programs. They were destined to leave the moment they started looking to leave. Nebraska beat them out for the spot they really coveted. I bet behind closed doors Missouri is more angry at the Cornhuskers than they are the Bevo's.

As far as Texas A&M goes. I think enough has been said about them wanting to be in the SEC. Were there issues between them and the Longhorns? I would be an equivalent poster of WoadBlue if I said there werent serious issues. That is an internal issue within the state of Texas, I do not see how that is something FSU and Clemson should be taking to heart. The hatred I see towards UNC is pretty close if not equal to the hatred aggies espouse towards the horns and that is not even in state hatred.

What FSU and Clemson would have to do if they want to join the Big 12 is to get as much as they want as possible in those negotiations. Bring friends and have a voting bloc early on in the Big 12. It will become a much more polar Big 12 that way.

That turned out to be longer than I had intended. Not tryin to stir trouble, just feel there are other reasons for those moves besides an entirely emotional move based on Horn Hate.