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"Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
Article by Dan Wolken of The Daily...

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Dan Wolken Wrote:The Misfits Could Fit
...Look, there are plenty of things about the new Big East that don’t make sense, and the idea of a league based in Providence playing football games in San Diego may not even be in the top five. This is a conference that was born out of major basketball programs in the northeast corridor, with nine members once Pitt joined in 1982, in the league’s fourth season. Now, it’s a league that will give us football games between Houston and Navy in the fall and regularly offer up SMU-Rutgers and Central Florida-Providence in the basketball winter.

It just doesn’t look right. It doesn’t appeal to the tradition or common identity of college athletics. And yet, in the rush to read the Big East its last rites, something important has been forgotten.

All of these schools have more to gain by finding a way to stay together than they ever would by breaking apart...

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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
indeed. what we need most is a new positive outlook, a new motto, a new geographical identity. proposed:

"The Best of the Rest"

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(05-10-2012 09:44 AM)Derby Wrote:  Article by Dan Wolken of The Daily...

Excerpt:
Dan Wolken Wrote:The Misfits Could Fit
...Look, there are plenty of things about the new Big East that don’t make sense, and the idea of a league based in Providence playing football games in San Diego may not even be in the top five. This is a conference that was born out of major basketball programs in the northeast corridor, with nine members once Pitt joined in 1982, in the league’s fourth season. Now, it’s a league that will give us football games between Houston and Navy in the fall and regularly offer up SMU-Rutgers and Central Florida-Providence in the basketball winter.

It just doesn’t look right. It doesn’t appeal to the tradition or common identity of college athletics. And yet, in the rush to read the Big East its last rites, something important has been forgotten.

All of these schools have more to gain by finding a way to stay together than they ever would by breaking apart...

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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
I'll take our Isle of Misfit Toys any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Great column.
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(05-10-2012 11:36 AM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  I'll take our Isle of Misfit Toys any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Great column.

+1 Houston is Big East country now.
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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
exactly, the New Big East isn't the SEC...and we understand that...but it makes more sense to work together for our own common goals.
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(05-10-2012 12:45 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 11:36 AM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  I'll take our Isle of Misfit Toys any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This is HOME.

Great column.

+1 Houston is Big East country now.

Well....not counting the 38 Rice fans in the Houston metro area...give or take a few... 05-stirthepot
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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
(05-10-2012 12:53 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:45 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 11:36 AM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  I'll take our Isle of Misfit Toys any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This is HOME.

Great column.

+1 Houston is Big East country now.

Well....not counting the 38 Rice fans in the Houston metro area...give or take a few... 05-stirthepot

Wait, Rice...fans? Isn't that an oxymoron? 03-razz
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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
It's amazing how many people get hung up on a name - the Big East must have eastern teams, but the Big 10 can have eleven teams forever, and now twelve. Don't see all the press hoopla over it. And the Big 12 have ten...probably going back to twelve, but you see my point.

Hell the Pacific 12 conference has members in Utah, Arizona & Colorado, and almost got members from Texas... so what's in a name, really?

Hopefully the naysayers will just shut up and let us get our conference going. We'll prove them wrong on the field!
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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
(05-10-2012 12:56 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:53 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:45 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 11:36 AM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  I'll take our Isle of Misfit Toys any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This is HOME.

Great column.

+1 Houston is Big East country now.

Well....not counting the 38 Rice fans in the Houston metro area...give or take a few... 05-stirthepot

Wait, Rice...fans? Isn't that an oxymoron? 03-razz

I tried to PM you this because I didn't want to take the thread in a different direction, but you have PM's turned off..so...what IS the feeling about Rice athletics down there now that Houston is gone? I get the sense that Rice desperately needed Houston to stick around.
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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
You wont see this article being vultured on the C-USA website. Good read! +1
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RE: "Don’t sell the Big East's chances of surviving and thriving short"...
(05-10-2012 01:03 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:56 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:53 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 12:45 PM)Brian Reading Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 11:36 AM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  I'll take our Isle of Misfit Toys any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This is HOME.

Great column.

+1 Houston is Big East country now.

Well....not counting the 38 Rice fans in the Houston metro area...give or take a few... 05-stirthepot

Wait, Rice...fans? Isn't that an oxymoron? 03-razz

I tried to PM you this because I didn't want to take the thread in a different direction, but you have PM's turned off..so...what IS the feeling about Rice athletics down there now that Houston is gone? I get the sense that Rice desperately needed Houston to stick around.

I get that same sense, but to be honest, I don't know many people connected with the university. Rice as an athletics program (except for baseball) hasn't been on Houstonians' minds since probably the 1950s. I feel sorry for the Rice fans, but to be honest, the only reason these guys are still D-I really speaks for their wealth more than their hold of the market or their competitiveness. It's also important to note that their undergraduate enrollment is about the size of an average Houston-area high school. Most of their students are from out-of-state, and don't hold much allegiance to the area.

For Rice in 2012, C-USA might just be all they can handle. It's funny how things can turn around over time. At one time, and for many years, Rice considered Houston to be a small fry with no serious interest. Now, with the current state of affairs, it would seem that the Rice athletics program would envy Houston quite a bit.
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(05-10-2012 01:03 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  what IS the feeling about Rice athletics down there now that Houston is gone? I get the sense that Rice desperately needed Houston to stick around.

I would say Rice will be fine. CUSA 2013 will be a more palatable schedule for them in FB. I think given time succeeding at a moderately successful level and building year by year on that Rice can become a respectable program. Their problem is being so bad for so long and have one good year here and there. Consistancy is what they need.

We have had our own struggles with them. Though that has more to do with us playing down than them out competing us. Scoreboard though they can and do win.

Their other sports will do fine as well. My wish is that they keep the Bayou Bucket (UH/Rice) going past 2013. They had to move one of Rice's 2013 OOC games to make it work for one more year already.
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"But for as much as realignment has changed the landscape of college sports, one thing hasn’t changed. The Big East was the No. 6 conference before, and it will be the No. 6 conference after. The only difference is the gap between No. 6 and No. 7 has grown wider than ever."

ding ding ding, we got ourselves a winner
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(05-10-2012 02:10 PM)Comet Wrote:  "But for as much as realignment has changed the landscape of college sports, one thing hasn’t changed. The Big East was the No. 6 conference before, and it will be the No. 6 conference after. The only difference is the gap between No. 6 and No. 7 has grown wider than ever."

ding ding ding, we got ourselves a winner

Awesome to finally be on the right side of that gap, isn't it....? 04-rock
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(05-10-2012 09:44 AM)Derby Wrote:  Article by Dan Wolken of The Daily...

I'm curious to hear what Memphis fans think about Wolken. I haven't read everything he's historically written about Memphis, but I can tell you that he has changed his tune about the Big East a fair amount. He used to rip the league to shreds, but now that Memphis is in, he's been FAR less critical.

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(05-10-2012 03:16 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 09:44 AM)Derby Wrote:  Article by Dan Wolken of The Daily...

I'm curious to hear what Memphis fans think about Wolken. I haven't read everything he's historically written about Memphis, but I can tell you that he has changed his tune about the Big East a fair amount. He used to rip the league to shreds, but now that Memphis is in, he's been FAR less critical.

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I'm probably more qualified to answer that than almost anybody. He and I are well acquainted, and have run into each other a few times, and have communicated quite a bit over the past few years.

I'm the guy that Dan "outed" on his radio show two years ago, for telling some friends of mine in an e-mail (and others by PM) that I thought we were going to the Big East. He thought I was making that stuff up, and he felt that if Memphis really did have any chance, that talk like that hurt us, and he absolutely savaged me on air. He got access to my e-mails, and read a few on the air, making fun of me for being an idiot, and perhaps a liar.

I wasn't making any of it up, b/c Tranghese WAS telling both our president and Fred Smith that we were in, and they were telling others around them (which is where I heard it), but they were not talking to the media, of course, so Dan still believes it was untrue, even today. He asked Dr. Raines in an interview before he left if that story was true, and she refused to answer the question. What does that tell you, lol?

Anyway, I don't hold anything against him, but that incident turned a lot of the Memphis fan base against Dan. Not all, but a lot.

IMO, Dan is an absolutely top rate sportswriter, and did a terrific job as the beat writer at Memphis. He put out a lot of info, and most of it was spot on, and he was also very insightful about what he saw at games, and about the college sports landscape in general. This REALLY came into focus when he left, and his successor is nothing like that, and is a disappointment.

Beyond the big blowup with me, where Dan collects critics is with his style. He is quite intelligent, and beyond confident, to obnoxiously cocky, and he never admits he's wrong. He shoots from the hip, or lip, and never has any qualms about who he hits. Anybody who disagrees with him is a "moron."

As long as he is not firing at you, it can be highly entertaining.

On the flip side, in private, although he still carries those personality traits, he can also be quite thoughtful and generous, although he NEVER shows that side to anybody in public.

As for him softening up on the BE, I don't know. I didn't particularly see that, but we all have our viewpoints. He definitely became a Memphis fan while there, but he always stayed objective in his reporting, and often went after Memphis coaches in particular, even when it seemed unnecessary, or wrong-headed.

He always thought Memphis fit better in the B12 than in the BE, but he is an equal opportunity assassin. When it comes to pointing out the folly of this or that situation, the Big East and every other conference, coach, player or fan is always fair game to him. So that might seem why he tore up the BE so much. I think people in lots of places have the same impression about him. It's just the way he comes off.

But he also believes the BE can work, and I think that is independent of whether Memphis is in it or not. I think he's taking up for the BE right now, b/c he thinks those who are predicting a split are idiots, lol.

I'd say he is in a good position now, b/c he is not affiliated with any one school or conference, and is free to opine on any and all things college sports. And he does. A lot. His twitter account is usually one that is fun to follow.
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(05-10-2012 03:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 03:16 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 09:44 AM)Derby Wrote:  Article by Dan Wolken of The Daily...

I'm curious to hear what Memphis fans think about Wolken. I haven't read everything he's historically written about Memphis, but I can tell you that he has changed his tune about the Big East a fair amount. He used to rip the league to shreds, but now that Memphis is in, he's been FAR less critical.

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I'm probably more qualified to answer that than almost anybody. He and I are well acquainted, and have run into each other a few times, and have communicated quite a bit over the past few years.

I'm the guy that Dan "outed" on his radio show two years ago, for telling some friends of mine in an e-mail (and others by PM) that I thought we were going to the Big East. He thought I was making that stuff up, and he felt that if Memphis really did have any chance, that talk like that hurt us, and he absolutely savaged me on air. He got access to my e-mails, and read a few on the air, making fun of me for being an idiot and a liar.

I wasn't making any of it up, b/c Tranghese WAS telling both our president and Fred Smith that we were in, and they were telling others around them (which is where I heard it), but they were not talking to the media, of course, so Dan still believes it was untrue, even today. He asked Dr. Raines in an interview before he left if that story was true, and she refused to answer the question. What does that tell you, lol?

Anyway, I don't hold anything against him, but that incident turned a lot of the Memphis fan base against Dan. Not all, but a lot.

IMO, Dan is an absolutely top rate sportswriter, and did a terrific job as the beat writer at Memphis. He put out a lot of info, and most of it was spot on, and he was also very insightful about what he saw at games, and about the college sports landscape in general. This REALLY came into focus when he left, and his successor is nothing like that, and is a disappointment.

Beyond the big blowup with me, where Dan collects critics is with his style. He is quite intelligent, and beyond confident, to obnoxiously cocky, and he never admits he's wrong. He shoots from the hip, or lip, and never has any qualms about who he hits. Anybody who disagrees with him is a "moron."

As long as he is not firing at you, it can be highly entertaining.

On the flip side, in private, although he still carries those personality traits, he can also be quite thoughtful and generous, although he NEVER shows that side to anybody in public.

As for him softening up on the BE, I don't know. I didn't particularly see that, but we all have our viewpoints. He definitely became a Memphis fan while there, but he always stayed objective in his reporting, and often went after Memphis coaches in particular, even when it seemed unnecessary, or wrong-headed.

He always thought Memphis fit better in the B12 than in the BE, but he is an equal opportunity assassin. When it comes to pointing out the folly of this or that situation, the Big East and every other conference, coach, player or fan is always fair game to him. So that might seem why he tore up the BE so much. I think people in lots of places have the same impression about him. It's just the way he comes off.

But he also believes the BE can work, and I think that is independent of whether Memphis is in it or not. I think he's taking up for the BE right now, b/c he thinks those who are predicting a split are idiots, lol.

I'd say he is in a good position now, b/c he is not affiliated with any one school or conference, and is free to opine on any and all things college sports. And he does. A lot. His twitter account is usually one that is fun to follow.

Thanks for the thoughtful and insightful response. I follow him on Twitter, and have even had a little back and forth with him specifically about some of his anti-Big East rantings last year. I would have to agree with your view of his cockiness, but as you said he's pretty entertaining at times.

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Wolken is perceptive, and I've been impressed by him since he was our beat writer. I have zero respect for the vast majority of sports journalists, but Wolken usually knows what he's talking about (though the TripleA incident was a serious low point; sports radio is even worse than sports writing).

(05-10-2012 11:36 AM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  I'll take our Isle of Misfit Toys any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This is HOME.

Great column.
Honestly, I grew up watching C-USA games. It would be weird for Memphis to not be in a bizarre-but-incredibly-fun (and disrespected far more than deserved) conference.

The Big East is basically Metro 2013 (with football!), which is kind of what I always dreamed of.
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As others pointed out, Wolken often writes/act like a spoiled child...and that act gets OLD...even after just a few comments or articles.

I hope ALL fans suggest to Wolken that he personally cover as many UCF Big East Football/Basketball games as he can...because he LOVES writing about UCF! (NOT! He has so much disdain for UCF like a child that thinks someone stole their Tonka toy and won't give it back.)
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He's smart in a world (sports journalism) full of utter morons, and he knows it. Sometimes that makes him do smug/stupid things.
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