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SEC and Big 12 Champions to Meet in Post-Season Bowl Game

Quote:The Southeastern Conference and the Big 12 Conference announced today a five-year agreement for their football champions to meet in a post-season bowl game following the 2014 season.

The champions of the two conferences will be in the matchup unless one or both are selected to play in the new four-team model to determine the national championship. Should that occur, another deserving team from the conference(s) would be selected for the game.

“A new January bowl tradition is born,” said SEC Commissioner Mike Slive. “This new game will provide a great match-up between the two most successful conferences in the BCS era and will complement the exciting post-season atmosphere created by the new four-team model. Most importantly, it will provide our student-athletes, coaches and fans with an outstanding bowl experience.”

“Our goal is to provide the fans across the country with a New Year’s Day prime-time tradition,” commented acting Big 12 Conference Commissioner Chuck Neinas. “This is a landmark agreement between two of the most successful football conferences during the BCS era to stage a post-season event. The creation of this game featuring the champions of the Big 12 and SEC will have tremendous resonance in college football.”

“I am very excited by the prospects for a game between our champion and the champion of the Southeastern Conference,” added in-coming Big 12 Conference Commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

B1G vs PAC12 in the Rose Bowl.
+ SEC vs Big XII in this newly announced bowl = No room at the table for the ACC.

It also means it's likely we will start seeing SEC # 6, #7, or #8 in the Chick-Fil-A Bowl facing our #2.

1/2/3 teams in the playoff
#2/3/4 in this new bowl agreement
#3/4/5 in the Capital One
#4/5/6 in the Cotton
#5/6/7 in the Outback
#6/7/8 in the Chick-Fil-A
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ACC and Big East are about to get left behind. If that happens, I know FSU will be one in the Big 12. My guess is the line just got bigger in teams wanting to get into the Big 4 conferences.
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This may be the final push that FSU and other football oriented ACC teams need to bail. Hard to believe but the ACC could be just as dead as the BE is.
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And the point of this is what? When would the SEC champ ever play the Big 12 champ with the playoffs coming? It's more like the SEC runner-up vs. the Big 12 runner-up bowl? It's nothing but a glorified Cotton Bowl.
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Dennis Dodd

Quote:The implications of Friday's SEC/Big 12 bowl agreement should have been obvious on Jan. 10.

Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan stood off to the side of the day-after Alabama championship press conference talking to any media outlet with a notebook or microphone.

His bowl, Hoolahan crowed, had a $40 million “war chest” as a buy-in for a possible playoff. This was the World Series of Poker with real honest-to-goodness power brokers at the table, not hygienically-challenged card counters.

Turns out Hoolahan was prescient.

When the SEC and Big 12 announced their new bowl agreement Friday, they changed the paradigm of college football perhaps at the most critical time in the game's history. ACC and the Big East? Done in terms of being meaningful major college football conferences in the marketplace. One has barely made a blip in the BCS era. The other just pushed out its commissioner and is hanging on for dear life.

Meanwhile, interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas just hit a walk-off at the end of a career that has spanned four decades. Asked what he would do if he were ACC or Big East commissioner today, Neinas, laughing, said: “Better get a good bowl.”

The Big East, ACC and whoever else is still playing in FBS don't have war chests. They have become content farms for leftovers.

But remember folks......everything is going to be fine.

We just became Conference USA.
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We need to work together or be left behind. Any Ideas for the future of both conferences? Nothing should be out of reach. Commissioners need a real game plan.
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(05-18-2012 09:45 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  We need to work together or be left behind. Any Ideas for the future of both conferences? Nothing should be out of reach. Commissioners need a real game plan.

Both conferences missed the last train out the station. We might could hitchhike, but it would likely involve us having to turn tricks behind the dumpster at the rear of the Waffle House next door first.

As for the commissioners needing a game plan.....y'all don't have one and ours only cares that the two EweNC/Duke regular season hoops games are on national TV.
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(05-18-2012 09:44 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Dennis Dodd

Quote:The implications of Friday's SEC/Big 12 bowl agreement should have been obvious on Jan. 10.

Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan stood off to the side of the day-after Alabama championship press conference talking to any media outlet with a notebook or microphone.

His bowl, Hoolahan crowed, had a $40 million “war chest” as a buy-in for a possible playoff. This was the World Series of Poker with real honest-to-goodness power brokers at the table, not hygienically-challenged card counters.

Turns out Hoolahan was prescient.

When the SEC and Big 12 announced their new bowl agreement Friday, they changed the paradigm of college football perhaps at the most critical time in the game's history. ACC and the Big East? Done in terms of being meaningful major college football conferences in the marketplace. One has barely made a blip in the BCS era. The other just pushed out its commissioner and is hanging on for dear life.

Meanwhile, interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas just hit a walk-off at the end of a career that has spanned four decades. Asked what he would do if he were ACC or Big East commissioner today, Neinas, laughing, said: “Better get a good bowl.”

The Big East, ACC and whoever else is still playing in FBS don't have war chests. They have become content farms for leftovers.

But remember folks......everything is going to be fine.

We just became Conference USA.

So you are going to use an inflammatory opinion piece to say that the ACC just got stroked. Many national writers have already poo-pooed this and I believe the jagoff himself has backtracked.

Yep. Clemson off to the SoCon. How on earth do you think the Tigers could compete in C-USA? Texas doesn't want 12 so Clemson, FSU, and GT, and whoever else are SOL. Pitt and the rest of the northern ACC to the Patriot. Everyone involved will save a fortune in athletics, will participate in an established CFB playoff system (as it should be), eligible for the NCAAs, and CWS.

Best part of that is our schools will have the best facilities in their respective new conferences so recruiting won't drop off too much.

Profit!
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Catdaddy, the votes are not there for the four conferences to do anything. They still need at least a fifth conference and even then the margin is close. Plus, they have to resolve the Notre Dame (and BYU) issue. As mentioned above, the game is essentially moving the the Cotton Bowl to match the #2 teams in each conference, using your presumption that each will have a team in the playoffs. If the SEC gets their way, they would be sending their third team to this game. Basically, this is just a means of getting a permanent Bowl game with the impact of the Rose Bowl, a tool to use against other conferences to bully their way. Except that the B1G and Pac 12 already have their bowl.

Currently there are 120 BCS level teams with two definitely joining and several more contemplating the jump. There are a combined 48 teams in the Pac 12, B1G, Big 12 and SEC. 48 teams cannot outvote the remainder. Assuming the ACC and Notre Dame are included, the vote count goes to 63 teams. 63 teams is too slim of a margin to fully control everything. It only takes 1 party to get the congress involved in declaring a monopoly or to schedule hearings and such. Why do you think the Big East was included in the original BCS? Some good schools, but mainly to ensure they had far more votes than needed, and obvious majority, almost a super majority (68 teams - all 6 AQ, ND, Army and Navy) of about 112 teams at the time the BCS was established.

Besides, if the info coming out is true, FSU has nearly maximized their 3rd tier rights and adding a OOC Cupcake game will not bring that much more to the deal. I read they get $6MM+. Then there is the other issue of what the ACC is really getting. It is indicated that the ACC schools are really getting around $19MM. Compared to the Pac 12, who have no media rights, FSU would be +$4MM or $5MM ahead of them. The Big 12 deal is rumored to be about $20MM, so FSU would be moving for a possible $1MM, which would be more than eaten up by travel.

Let the smoke settle before you cry "the sky is falling." It may be, but at least be sure based on facts before you panic.
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(05-18-2012 10:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Catdaddy, the votes are not there for the four conferences to do anything. They still need at least a fifth conference and even then the margin is close. Plus, they have to resolve the Notre Dame (and BYU) issue. As mentioned above, the game is essentially moving the the Cotton Bowl to match the #2 teams in each conference, using your presumption that each will have a team in the playoffs. If the SEC gets their way, they would be sending their third team to this game. Basically, this is just a means of getting a permanent Bowl game with the impact of the Rose Bowl, a tool to use against other conferences to bully their way. Except that the B1G and Pac 12 already have their bowl.

Currently there are 120 BCS level teams with two definitely joining and several more contemplating the jump. There are a combined 48 teams in the Pac 12, B1G, Big 12 and SEC. 48 teams cannot outvote the remainder. Assuming the ACC and Notre Dame are included, the vote count goes to 63 teams. 63 teams is too slim of a margin to fully control everything. It only takes 1 party to get the congress involved in declaring a monopoly or to schedule hearings and such. Why do you think the Big East was included in the original BCS? Some good schools, but mainly to ensure they had far more votes than needed, and obvious majority, almost a super majority (68 teams - all 6 AQ, ND, Army and Navy) of about 112 teams at the time the BCS was established.

Besides, if the info coming out is true, FSU has nearly maximized their 3rd tier rights and adding a OOC Cupcake game will not bring that much more to the deal. I read they get $6MM+. Then there is the other issue of what the ACC is really getting. It is indicated that the ACC schools are really getting around $19MM. Compared to the Pac 12, who have no media rights, FSU would be +$4MM or $5MM ahead of them. The Big 12 deal is rumored to be about $20MM, so FSU would be moving for a possible $1MM, which would be more than eaten up by travel.

Let the smoke settle before you cry "the sky is falling." It may be, but at least be sure based on facts before you panic.

The most sensible post of the day.
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I believe we should try to get a ACC vs Notre Dame Orange Bowl game.
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(05-18-2012 10:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Currently there are 120 BCS level teams with two definitely joining and several more contemplating the jump. There are a combined 48 teams in the Pac 12, B1G, Big 12 and SEC. 48 teams cannot outvote the remainder. Assuming the ACC and Notre Dame are included, the vote count goes to 63 teams. 63 teams is too slim of a margin to fully control everything. It only takes 1 party to get the congress involved in declaring a monopoly or to schedule hearings and such. Why do you think the Big East was included in the original BCS? Some good schools, but mainly to ensure they had far more votes than needed, and obvious majority, almost a super majority (68 teams - all 6 AQ, ND, Army and Navy) of about 112 teams at the time the BCS was established.

Votes aren't by individual schools, they are by conference. Doesn't matter, because the NCAA doesn't control FBS postseason football other than certifying bowl games.

The BCS, however, is a different matter altogether. It's ran by the 11 (soon to be 10) FBS conferences, and Notre Dame. All it takes is just the hint of pressure and the Sun Belt and MAC vote with the SEC and B1G respectively because the survival of both conferences as major players is directly relative to the number of regular season body-bag games they get from big brother. Cut a deal with Notre Dame that they are included and we are on the short end of the stick playing the Big East in a "pat 'em on the head...ain't they cute?" type champion vs champion game in the Belk Bowl much like the Liberty Bowl was when it was CUSA champ vs MWC champ.
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(05-18-2012 11:25 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 10:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Currently there are 120 BCS level teams with two definitely joining and several more contemplating the jump. There are a combined 48 teams in the Pac 12, B1G, Big 12 and SEC. 48 teams cannot outvote the remainder. Assuming the ACC and Notre Dame are included, the vote count goes to 63 teams. 63 teams is too slim of a margin to fully control everything. It only takes 1 party to get the congress involved in declaring a monopoly or to schedule hearings and such. Why do you think the Big East was included in the original BCS? Some good schools, but mainly to ensure they had far more votes than needed, and obvious majority, almost a super majority (68 teams - all 6 AQ, ND, Army and Navy) of about 112 teams at the time the BCS was established.

Votes aren't by individual schools, they are by conference. Doesn't matter, because the NCAA doesn't control FBS postseason football other than certifying bowl games.

The BCS, however, is a different matter altogether. It's ran by the 11 (soon to be 10) FBS conferences, and Notre Dame. All it takes is just the hint of pressure and the Sun Belt and MAC vote with the SEC and B1G respectively because the survival of both conferences as major players is directly relative to the number of regular season body-bag games they get from big brother. Cut a deal with Notre Dame that they are included and we are on the short end of the stick playing the Big East in a "pat 'em on the head...ain't they cute?" type champion vs champion game in the Belk Bowl much like the Liberty Bowl was when it was CUSA champ vs MWC champ.

Yes but, 6 no Votes on any proposal means there won't be a playoff and 0 deal gets done. Leaving out the majority of the country won't fly esp w/ Congress already lurking(and I wished they'd stay out).
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(05-18-2012 11:32 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 11:25 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 10:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Currently there are 120 BCS level teams with two definitely joining and several more contemplating the jump. There are a combined 48 teams in the Pac 12, B1G, Big 12 and SEC. 48 teams cannot outvote the remainder. Assuming the ACC and Notre Dame are included, the vote count goes to 63 teams. 63 teams is too slim of a margin to fully control everything. It only takes 1 party to get the congress involved in declaring a monopoly or to schedule hearings and such. Why do you think the Big East was included in the original BCS? Some good schools, but mainly to ensure they had far more votes than needed, and obvious majority, almost a super majority (68 teams - all 6 AQ, ND, Army and Navy) of about 112 teams at the time the BCS was established.

Votes aren't by individual schools, they are by conference. Doesn't matter, because the NCAA doesn't control FBS postseason football other than certifying bowl games.

The BCS, however, is a different matter altogether. It's ran by the 11 (soon to be 10) FBS conferences, and Notre Dame. All it takes is just the hint of pressure and the Sun Belt and MAC vote with the SEC and B1G respectively because the survival of both conferences as major players is directly relative to the number of regular season body-bag games they get from big brother. Cut a deal with Notre Dame that they are included and we are on the short end of the stick playing the Big East in a "pat 'em on the head...ain't they cute?" type champion vs champion game in the Belk Bowl much like the Liberty Bowl was when it was CUSA champ vs MWC champ.

Yes but, 6 no Votes on any proposal means there won't be a playoff and 0 deal gets done. Leaving out the majority of the country won't fly esp w/ Congress already lurking(and I wished they'd stay out).

But there aren't 6 "NO" votes to be had.

Yes:

SEC
B1G
PAC12
Big XII
Notre Dame

No:

ACC
Big Least
MWC
CUSA


The controlling votes would fall to the Sun Belt (7 matchups vs the SEC..6 from the other 3 versus 6 against the ACC/BE in 2011) and the MAC (12 matchups vs the B1G in 2011, 7 more from the other 3 versus 11 against the ACC/BE in 2011) Where do you think the votes are going to fall?
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(05-18-2012 11:53 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 11:32 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 11:25 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(05-18-2012 10:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Currently there are 120 BCS level teams with two definitely joining and several more contemplating the jump. There are a combined 48 teams in the Pac 12, B1G, Big 12 and SEC. 48 teams cannot outvote the remainder. Assuming the ACC and Notre Dame are included, the vote count goes to 63 teams. 63 teams is too slim of a margin to fully control everything. It only takes 1 party to get the congress involved in declaring a monopoly or to schedule hearings and such. Why do you think the Big East was included in the original BCS? Some good schools, but mainly to ensure they had far more votes than needed, and obvious majority, almost a super majority (68 teams - all 6 AQ, ND, Army and Navy) of about 112 teams at the time the BCS was established.

Votes aren't by individual schools, they are by conference. Doesn't matter, because the NCAA doesn't control FBS postseason football other than certifying bowl games.

The BCS, however, is a different matter altogether. It's ran by the 11 (soon to be 10) FBS conferences, and Notre Dame. All it takes is just the hint of pressure and the Sun Belt and MAC vote with the SEC and B1G respectively because the survival of both conferences as major players is directly relative to the number of regular season body-bag games they get from big brother. Cut a deal with Notre Dame that they are included and we are on the short end of the stick playing the Big East in a "pat 'em on the head...ain't they cute?" type champion vs champion game in the Belk Bowl much like the Liberty Bowl was when it was CUSA champ vs MWC champ.

Yes but, 6 no Votes on any proposal means there won't be a playoff and 0 deal gets done. Leaving out the majority of the country won't fly esp w/ Congress already lurking(and I wished they'd stay out).

But there aren't 6 "NO" votes to be had.

Yes:

SEC
B1G
PAC12
Big XII
Notre Dame

No:

ACC
Big Least
MWC
CUSA


The controlling votes would fall to the Sun Belt (7 matchups vs the SEC..6 from the other 3 versus 6 against the ACC/BE in 2011) and the MAC (12 matchups vs the B1G in 2011, 7 more from the other 3 versus 11 against the ACC/BE in 2011) Where do you think the votes are going to fall?

Its quite obvious that the PAC 12/B1G and the Big XII/SEC are still very far from each other. Notre Dame is closer to the SEC/Big XII side while the ACC seems to be in the middle somewhere. Each side still needs the ACC and Big East as a deal breaker. If this so called Big 4 was close to an agreement, we would've heard about this agreement rather than so many different opinions by each of the 4, 5 commissioners out there.
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(05-19-2012 12:00 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Its quite obvious that the PAC 12/B1G and the Big XII/SEC are still very far from each other. Notre Dame is closer to the SEC/Big XII side while the ACC seems to be in the middle somewhere. Each side still needs the ACC and Big East as a deal breaker. If this so called Big 4 was close to an agreement, we would've heard about this agreement rather than so many different opinions by each of the 4, 5 commissioners out there.

Kinda like we heard about the SEC and BigXII setting up a "champions vs champions" bowl before today?


Kinda like we heard about Pitt and Syracuse joining the ACC long before it was announced?
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(05-18-2012 10:55 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  Catdaddy, the votes are not there for the four conferences to do anything. They still need at least a fifth conference and even then the margin is close. Plus, they have to resolve the Notre Dame (and BYU) issue. As mentioned above, the game is essentially moving the the Cotton Bowl to match the #2 teams in each conference, using your presumption that each will have a team in the playoffs. If the SEC gets their way, they would be sending their third team to this game. Basically, this is just a means of getting a permanent Bowl game with the impact of the Rose Bowl, a tool to use against other conferences to bully their way. Except that the B1G and Pac 12 already have their bowl.

Currently there are 120 BCS level teams with two definitely joining and several more contemplating the jump. There are a combined 48 teams in the Pac 12, B1G, Big 12 and SEC. 48 teams cannot outvote the remainder. Assuming the ACC and Notre Dame are included, the vote count goes to 63 teams. 63 teams is too slim of a margin to fully control everything. It only takes 1 party to get the congress involved in declaring a monopoly or to schedule hearings and such. Why do you think the Big East was included in the original BCS? Some good schools, but mainly to ensure they had far more votes than needed, and obvious majority, almost a super majority (68 teams - all 6 AQ, ND, Army and Navy) of about 112 teams at the time the BCS was established.

Besides, if the info coming out is true, FSU has nearly maximized their 3rd tier rights and adding a OOC Cupcake game will not bring that much more to the deal. I read they get $6MM+. Then there is the other issue of what the ACC is really getting. It is indicated that the ACC schools are really getting around $19MM. Compared to the Pac 12, who have no media rights, FSU would be +$4MM or $5MM ahead of them. The Big 12 deal is rumored to be about $20MM, so FSU would be moving for a possible $1MM, which would be more than eaten up by travel.

You know this is incorrect. You are adding bowl and NCAAT money to the ACC's total but not any other conferences'. You are also not including any bump in revenue for the Big 12 from the $20M base from adding FSU and a potential CG. The Pac 12 may not have those rights but the SEC and Big 12 do. The Pac 12 also has its own network while the ACC does not. I don't see this claim of yours having any real bearing on the issue. Also, FSU may only make $1M on additional tier 3 content. It may make more. None of us here on this board know at this point. There's also the rumor that the Big 12 helps subsidize some travel costs, and the fact that you have no idea how much travel costs would actually be. As has been stated before, the ACC is not a bus-league for FSU.

You also have no idea if the votes are there or not. What if the "big 4" conferences promise C-USA, MWC, SBC, MAC, etc much more money from a new playoff format that excludes them than they would receive from one that includes them? What if the big 4 just split off from the NCAA due to resistance from the ACC, Big East and other conferences and now those schools no longer received any money and still had no shot at a national title? Maybe I'm wrong but it's hard to imagine the smaller conferences siding with the ACC on ANYTHING. Not only does the ACC not command any power but the ACC is the biggest reason these smaller conferences have had such drastic membership changes the last decade.
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Ok, so here's a quick thought on what this really means:

1. Should BOTH a SEC and Big XII team who are champions of their respective league be left out of the previously discussed four team playoff format, they will meet in a bowl game. If a champion doesn't play in this matchup, 'another deserving team' will - this seems to mean the #2 team to me.

Really what you're getting here is an agreement that at worst the #2 team in the SEC is going to play the #2 team in the Big XII in a bowl game. The only way that a team gets into this game, according to the press release, is if they are shut out of the four team playoff. No conference champion of either league is going to be in this game if they are also possibly playing for a national title.

2. This is tied to the point above, but who cares? All you're saying is that the SEC and Big XII have a bowl agreement. This agreement is only going to work for teams who are not a part of the four team playoff. Why is this a big deal to ACC teams? I honestly don't understand the panic.
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(05-19-2012 02:07 AM)ndlutz Wrote:  Ok, so here's a quick thought on what this really means:

1. Should BOTH a SEC and Big XII team who are champions of their respective league be left out of the previously discussed four team playoff format, they will meet in a bowl game. If a champion doesn't play in this matchup, 'another deserving team' will - this seems to mean the #2 team to me.

Really what you're getting here is an agreement that at worst the #2 team in the SEC is going to play the #2 team in the Big XII in a bowl game. The only way that a team gets into this game, according to the press release, is if they are shut out of the four team playoff. No conference champion of either league is going to be in this game if they are also possibly playing for a national title.

2. This is tied to the point above, but who cares? All you're saying is that the SEC and Big XII have a bowl agreement. This agreement is only going to work for teams who are not a part of the four team playoff. Why is this a big deal to ACC teams? I honestly don't understand the panic.

The B1G and Pac12 want to preserve the Rose Bowl regardless of any playoff scenario.

The SEC and the Big XII, long supporters of a top 4 version of the playoffs, create a champion vs champion bowl.

The ACC, of it's own accord, hasn't produced the strongest champion over the years.

We added two teams who haven't exactly set the world on fir in football in the past 30 years.

You do the math.
Do we have to draw it out in crayon for you to understand?
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RE: And the seperation begins
(05-18-2012 11:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  I believe we should try to get a ACC vs Notre Dame Orange Bowl game.

Yeah, that will work. A 10 win ACC team beating a 6-6 Notre Dame.

Everybody likes to point fingers at the ACC champ for losing BCS games......but perhaps a 10 win ACC team might be better prepared in the post season if it faced a stronger ACC schedule in the regular season. Maybe instead of waiting on FSU, VT, Miami, GT, and Clemson to carry the weight you wussies might try to carry some of it on your own. God knows with two basketball schools coming on board we need even that much more help.
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