ClairtonPanther posted an excellent piece on SportsDominoes, entitled "ACC APOCALYPSE???"

http://sportsdominoes.com/2012/05/31/acc-apocalypse/

Quote:One major announcement was also responsible for these rumors spiraling out of control. And that was the Bowl announcement between the SEC and Big XII. It sent some shock waves across the scene because some paranoia set in. People assumed that it meant that the ACC was somehow going to be left behind.

Since then the Big XII, and FSU and Clemson each stated they listen if the other party called. The question really is, who makes the first phone call?

I'm going back further than that... Dennis Dodd and Brett McMurphy of CBS Sports co-wrote and posted an article back on March 13, 2012 that really got the ball rolling, IMHO.

I believe the original text of that article contained this paragraph:

Quote:The Big XII made a number of strategically brilliant moves w/ this latest contract. If they sign at least 2 additional teams (there are restrictions on whom), there is an automatic escalator in the contract that will raise the total payout by $2.05M per team (this based on the added conference championship game). And, they negotiated an opt out clause that will allow them out of the deal to take it to market if they expand to 12 or further, with ESPN/ABC having the right of first refusal on the contract. Once the language of the contract makes its way back to the ACC, I think there will be some nervous presidents & a nervous commissioner, b/c the Big XII essentially just got a license to hunt, with guaranteed ammo.

If you look at the link, that paragraph is not there. In fact, a recent article on that same website states just the opposite - the money per team does NOT increase.

Basically, this whole "Big XII to raid the ACC" bandwagon began with an erroneous statement in an article.

EDIT: I've been told this was from a fan blog, not a CBS sports reporter, so w/o any supporting documentation I have to retract my statement.

great stuff Mark...

(06-01-2012 11:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm going back further than that... Dennis Dodd and Brett McMurphy of CBS Sports co-wrote and posted an article back on March 13, 2012 that really got the ball rolling, IMHO.

In the original text of that article contained this paragraph:

Quote:The Big XII made a number of strategically brilliant moves w/ this latest contract. If they sign at least 2 additional teams (there are restrictions on whom), there is an automatic escalator in the contract that will raise the total payout by $2.05M per team (this based on the added conference championship game). And, they negotiated an opt out clause that will allow them out of the deal to take it to market if they expand to 12 or further, with ESPN/ABC having the right of first refusal on the contract. Once the language of the contract makes its way back to the ACC, I think there will be some nervous presidents & a nervous commissioner, b/c the Big XII essentially just got a license to hunt, with guaranteed ammo.

If you look at the link, that paragraph has been REMOVED. In fact, a recent article on that same website states just the opposite - the money per team does NOT increase.

Basically, this whole "Big XII to raid the ACC" bandwagon began with an erroneous statement in an article written by Dennis Dodd (who seems to hate the ACC) and Brent McMurphy. I never saw an official retraction, however - they just quitely revised the article - but copy & paste on the Conference Realignment board is evidence that the above statement was there at one time.

Mark, that wasn't in the original article. That was an add-on quote by Cn2147237 in the thread over on the Conference Realignment board talking about the article.

It's a quote from a supposed "insider" supposedly familiar with the contract negotiations.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-03-2012 04:05 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(06-01-2012 11:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm going back further than that... Dennis Dodd and Brett McMurphy of CBS Sports co-wrote and posted an article back on March 13, 2012 that really got the ball rolling, IMHO.

In the original text of that article contained this paragraph:

Quote:The Big XII made a number of strategically brilliant moves w/ this latest contract. If they sign at least 2 additional teams (there are restrictions on whom), there is an automatic escalator in the contract that will raise the total payout by $2.05M per team (this based on the added conference championship game). And, they negotiated an opt out clause that will allow them out of the deal to take it to market if they expand to 12 or further, with ESPN/ABC having the right of first refusal on the contract. Once the language of the contract makes its way back to the ACC, I think there will be some nervous presidents & a nervous commissioner, b/c the Big XII essentially just got a license to hunt, with guaranteed ammo.

If you look at the link, that paragraph has been REMOVED. In fact, a recent article on that same website states just the opposite - the money per team does NOT increase.

Basically, this whole "Big XII to raid the ACC" bandwagon began with an erroneous statement in an article written by Dennis Dodd (who seems to hate the ACC) and Brent McMurphy. I never saw an official retraction, however - they just quitely revised the article - but copy & paste on the Conference Realignment board is evidence that the above statement was there at one time.

Mark, that wasn't in the original article. That was an add-on quote by Cn2147237 in the thread over on the Conference Realignment board talking about the article.

It's a quote from a supposed "insider" supposedly familiar with the contract negotiations.

Cheers,
Neil

Well, Neil, I really thought I remembered reading the phrase "license to hunt with guaranteed ammo" in an article by Dennis Dodd... but my memory is not what it used to be, so I may be mistaken.

I did find all these posts which quoted that statement:

http://westvirginia.247sports.com/Board/...1#a8419390

http://maryland.247sports.com/Board/5941...-9502835/3

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=46&f=3167&t=8614896&p=25

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2012/mar/1...n-tv-deal/

http://www.city-data.com/forum/texas/152...d-acc.html

http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/20...-agreement

http://www.killerfrogs.com/msgboard/inde...pic=152382
"This guy had inside knowledge on the contract:"

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/3/13/...m-per-team
"This was posted by a self proclaimed insider on a UCONN board"

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/will-the...now.15826/

http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthread...o=0&fpart=

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthr...576&page=3

Since the were all EXACT quotes it seems like they all came from a single source.

Mark, I can tell you where the quote specifically came from. It came from the UConn Conference Realignment Board by a poster with the handle of FromTheInside who for days had been sharing "inside" information.

From a post he made on March 13, 2012:

Everyone likes the 10-team format they have now. However, as I stated in the ACC thread, they will expand if the right teams are receptive to their inquiries. There is no doubt they will reach out to Florida State, Miami, GA Tech, Clemson, NC State, VA Tech, and Arkansas, and possibly Pitt & Maryland (along w/ Louisville, whom they've already had discussions with). If the right combination of teams are interested, they'll make a move. If not, they'll stand pat with 10.

The Big XII made a number of strategically brilliant moves w/ this latest contract. If they sign at least 2 additional teams (there are restrictions on whom), there is an automatic escalator in the contract that will raise the total payout by $2.05M per team (this based on the added conference championship game). And, they negotiated an opt out clause that will allow them out of the deal to take it to market if they expand to 12 or further, with ESPN/ABC having the right of first refusal on the contract. Once the language of the contract makes its way back to the ACC, I think there will be some nervous presidents & a nervous commissioner, b/c the Big XII essentially just got a license to hunt, with guaranteed ammo.

And, what's better, the ABC/ESPN/Fox contracts the Big XII has are only for Tier 1 & Tier 2 broadcasts. So, teams are free to shop their Tier 3 rights. So, just like Texas is netting $10M/season, and KU is netting $8M/season from Tier 3, Florida State, Clemson, etc will have the ability to make $20M + millions more on Tier 3, which would put them above the highest paid SEC teams.

Cheers,
Neil

Here's one of FromTheInside's last posts over on the UConn Realignment Board. A day or two earlier he was patting himself on the back for calling the new Big 12 TV contract as averaging between $19-$20 million per team a week or so before the details of the contract estimate came out.

No, as I've said throughout this thread, we did the valuations for ESPN. The ACC actually kept their valuations internal (smh). I don't know anything about them expecting to get a $5M bump, but if so, that's pretty sad. To assume you'd get $5M from Pitt & Syracuse, you'd have to value both programs at $70M per year.........b/c $70M divided by 14 teams is $5 year per team.

So take his info for what it's worth.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-03-2012 10:00 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Here's one of FromTheInside's last posts over on the UConn Realignment Board. A day or two earlier he was patting himself on the back for calling the new Big 12 TV contract as averaging between $19-$20 million per team a week or so before the details of the contract estimate came out.

No, as I've said throughout this thread, we did the valuations for ESPN. The ACC actually kept their valuations internal (smh). I don't know anything about them expecting to get a $5M bump, but if so, that's pretty sad. To assume you'd get $5M from Pitt & Syracuse, you'd have to value both programs at $70M per year.........b/c $70M divided by 14 teams is $5 year per team.

So take his info for what it's worth.

Cheers,
Neil

So it was all based on sour grapes. Gotta love the way this "Insider" writes "WE did the valuations for ESPN". If this guy really does work for ESPN, he should probably be fired for tampering with ESPN's contract with the ACC - very unprofessional.

Thanks Omni.