(07-24-2012 07:34 AM)XLance Wrote:  If we are talking about adding schools and need to get to 16 (assuming the ACC has to invite Notre Dame), the best thing we could do would be to trade Florida State to the SEC for South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

Now, now, XLance... play nice! Florida State is your conference mate. The success or failure of the Tarheels is tied to the success or failure of the entire ACC. FSU is a very valuable component of the ACC team... no more publicly wishing them away!

I meant to post this here instead of the CR board. Forgive me for duplicating it.

If we are going to let ND keep their network (i.e. NBC) why not let Texas keep the LHN?

Navy actually plays most ACC sports including men's and women's lacrosse.

(07-24-2012 07:34 AM)XLance Wrote:  If we are talking about adding schools and need to get to 16 (assuming the ACC has to invite Notre Dame), the best thing we could do would be to trade Florida State to the SEC for South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

I'll sign off on that.

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Don't see either SU or Pitt voting for Rutgers. Rather I see them trying to actively block them much in the way BC blocked UConn.

(07-24-2012 10:56 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  I meant to post this here instead of the CR board. Forgive me for duplicating it.

If we are going to let ND keep their network (i.e. NBC) why not let Texas keep the LHN?

Navy actually plays most ACC sports including men's and women's lacrosse.

Texas signed away its Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV rights for at least the next six years.

Whether or not Texas has signed away its Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights for 13 years is up for debate right now.

If Notre Dame is a partial member, would we have to go to 16? Couldn't we just stay at 15?

Tulane and Rice are great institutions, in great locations, but they would be on an island.

I prefer Rutgers over UConn if we went to 16. I think Temple would be considered before Cincinnati or Louisville. I don't want to be aligned with Penn State whatsoever.

XLance loves Vanderbilt, but there is no way any school leaves the SEC, especially their lone private school.

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Who???

Tulane and Rice are good institutions and would fit academically with the ACC but really their athletics, for lack of a better term, stink... I like Tulane, stayed at the university for a few weeks several years ago, and loved it. If they got their athletics programs really going, I'd love to see them in the ACC...

I think you will see a four game scheduling alliance between Notre Dame and the ACC.
The Irish won't join as a full member and the ACC will not take them in as a partial.
Notre Dame will be able to compete in "a few" ACC sports such as soccer (Ga. Tech does not play soccer) and Lacrosse as a carrot. Basketball and Baseball are out of the question.
At least one of the four games will be a two for one in Notre Dame's favor. Most of the third games will be played in neutral sites (like the Miami at Chicago game for instance....look for a game in Orlando in the future, and Syracuse in NYC/NJ). Almost all of the games will be played late in the season.
You have to learn to walk before you can run, and hopefully the time period will be long enough to allow the Notre Dame fans to adjust their attitudes.

I have no inside information....just a hunch.


ps I would still trade FSU for South Carolina even without Vanderbilt.

(07-24-2012 12:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  I think you will see a four game scheduling alliance between Notre Dame and the ACC.
The Irish won't join as a full member and the ACC will not take them in as a partial.
Notre Dame will be able to compete in "a few" ACC sports such as soccer (Ga. Tech does not play soccer) and Lacrosse as a carrot. Basketball and Baseball are out of the question.
At least one of the four games will be a two for one in Notre Dame's favor. Most of the third games will be played in neutral sites (like the Miami at Chicago game for instance....look for a game in Orlando in the future, and Syracuse in NYC/NJ). Almost all of the games will be played late in the season.
You have to learn to walk before you can run, and hopefully the time period will be long enough to allow the Notre Dame fans to adjust their attitudes.

I have no inside information....just a hunch.


ps I would still trade FSU for South Carolina even without Vanderbilt.

Have you conceded on our bet? :)

(07-24-2012 11:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Don't see either SU or Pitt voting for Rutgers. Rather I see them trying to actively block them much in the way BC blocked UConn.

Very different relationship dynamics. Rutgers and Pitt were pretty much working as a tandem in the Big East with WVU and/or Syracuse also often joining them. UConn and BC have a completely antagonistic relationship. They may not love the extra competition in some ways but they aren't going to hold up an old ally from joining if that's the best possible partner. Rutgers has friends in the ACC if the ACC was suddenly looking for new members and our value was high enough. Pitt, Cuse, Miami and UNC would all be considered among them. I think our troubles with BC and VT are also well behind us.

(07-24-2012 12:22 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 12:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  I think you will see a four game scheduling alliance between Notre Dame and the ACC.
The Irish won't join as a full member and the ACC will not take them in as a partial.
Notre Dame will be able to compete in "a few" ACC sports such as soccer (Ga. Tech does not play soccer) and Lacrosse as a carrot. Basketball and Baseball are out of the question.
At least one of the four games will be a two for one in Notre Dame's favor. Most of the third games will be played in neutral sites (like the Miami at Chicago game for instance....look for a game in Orlando in the future, and Syracuse in NYC/NJ). Almost all of the games will be played late in the season.
You have to learn to walk before you can run, and hopefully the time period will be long enough to allow the Notre Dame fans to adjust their attitudes.

I have no inside information....just a hunch.


ps I would still trade FSU for South Carolina even without Vanderbilt.

Have you conceded on our bet? :)

No, I still think that Notre Dame will end up in the ACC, but it will take a few years. And, I for one, am not looking forward to having to put up with "some" of the Irish fans (I will exclude you TerryD, from that grouping) after Notre Dame has joined the ACC.

(07-24-2012 12:57 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 11:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Don't see either SU or Pitt voting for Rutgers. Rather I see them trying to actively block them much in the way BC blocked UConn.

Very different relationship dynamics. Rutgers and Pitt were pretty much working as a tandem in the Big East with WVU and/or Syracuse also often joining them. UConn and BC have a completely antagonistic relationship. They may not love the extra competition in some ways but they aren't going to hold up an old ally from joining if that's the best possible partner. Rutgers has friends in the ACC if the ACC was suddenly looking for new members and our value was high enough. Pitt, Cuse, Miami and UNC would all be considered among them. I think our troubles with BC and VT are also well behind us.

I don't know about SU, but I don't think Pitt would block Rutgers if it came to a vote on ACC membership. Recall Pitt supported WVU for ACC membership and both schools are much closer geographically. Between Rutgers and UCONN I think Rutgers has a lot more to offer. Sure, UCONN has a better overall athletic dept, but in the most critical sport it has limited upside IMO. Rutgers, is located in a more lucrative state than UCONN plus the NJ recruiting grounds are significantly better than what you can find in New England. Rutgers matters in the single most important area - football potential. Otherwise, both have the academics to keep the ACC members happy with Rutgers being better overall than UCONN in that dept.

(07-24-2012 01:40 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Rutgers, is located in a more lucrative state than UCONN plus the NJ recruiting grounds are significantly better than what you can find in New England.

Which begs the question why would Pitt or SU want to compete with Rutgers for that talent. If Rutgers were left in the BE it would give both schools a leg up in their recruiting in NJ.

(07-24-2012 12:57 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 11:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Don't see either SU or Pitt voting for Rutgers. Rather I see them trying to actively block them much in the way BC blocked UConn.

Very different relationship dynamics. Rutgers and Pitt were pretty much working as a tandem in the Big East with WVU and/or Syracuse also often joining them. UConn and BC have a completely antagonistic relationship. They may not love the extra competition in some ways but they aren't going to hold up an old ally from joining if that's the best possible partner. Rutgers has friends in the ACC if the ACC was suddenly looking for new members and our value was high enough. Pitt, Cuse, Miami and UNC would all be considered among them. I think our troubles with BC and VT are also well behind us.

I tend to agree but I think Cuse prefers UConn over Rutgers...but I think the school sees the advantage of having one more school in the ACC with a NE address.

(07-24-2012 09:46 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 07:34 AM)XLance Wrote:  If we are talking about adding schools and need to get to 16 (assuming the ACC has to invite Notre Dame), the best thing we could do would be to trade Florida State to the SEC for South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

Now, now, XLance... play nice! Florida State is your conference mate. The success or failure of the Tarheels is tied to the success or failure of the entire ACC. FSU is a very valuable component of the ACC team... no more publicly wishing them away!

Mark, Mark, Mark............................it's Tar Heels not Tarheels

(07-24-2012 05:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 09:46 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 07:34 AM)XLance Wrote:  If we are talking about adding schools and need to get to 16 (assuming the ACC has to invite Notre Dame), the best thing we could do would be to trade Florida State to the SEC for South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

Now, now, XLance... play nice! Florida State is your conference mate. The success or failure of the Tarheels is tied to the success or failure of the entire ACC. FSU is a very valuable component of the ACC team... no more publicly wishing them away!

Mark, Mark, Mark............................it's Tar Heels not Tarheels

Dog, don't they teach spelling in Chapel HEEL?

(07-24-2012 12:57 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 11:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Don't see either SU or Pitt voting for Rutgers. Rather I see them trying to actively block them much in the way BC blocked UConn.

Very different relationship dynamics. Rutgers and Pitt were pretty much working as a tandem in the Big East with WVU and/or Syracuse also often joining them. UConn and BC have a completely antagonistic relationship. They may not love the extra competition in some ways but they aren't going to hold up an old ally from joining if that's the best possible partner. Rutgers has friends in the ACC if the ACC was suddenly looking for new members and our value was high enough. Pitt, Cuse, Miami and UNC would all be considered among them. I think our troubles with BC and VT are also well behind us.

VT and Rutgers had troubles? Did y'all vote against letting VT in the BE or something?

(07-24-2012 11:55 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 12:57 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 11:16 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Don't see either SU or Pitt voting for Rutgers. Rather I see them trying to actively block them much in the way BC blocked UConn.

Very different relationship dynamics. Rutgers and Pitt were pretty much working as a tandem in the Big East with WVU and/or Syracuse also often joining them. UConn and BC have a completely antagonistic relationship. They may not love the extra competition in some ways but they aren't going to hold up an old ally from joining if that's the best possible partner. Rutgers has friends in the ACC if the ACC was suddenly looking for new members and our value was high enough. Pitt, Cuse, Miami and UNC would all be considered among them. I think our troubles with BC and VT are also well behind us.

VT and Rutgers had troubles? Did y'all vote against letting VT in the BE or something?

The only thing I can think of is that WVU, VT, and Rutgers had a pact to push for all sports for all of them or they would form a new conference. WVU and Rutgers got in and most people forgave them for it.

The original topic was the latest fallacy about ND ever coming to this conference in all sports. It will never happen but every time a "source" with the validity of a hot dog vendor spews about it, the topic will take off.