(08-03-2012 04:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  all of your links are just dividing by 14 shares. It's been established the ACC divides by 15 shares and takes 1 share for themesleves. So 16 million....

U are being idiotic...all conferences take a cut for overhead and a cash kitty.

the article referenced said the per team payout would be 10/14 for the Big East. That to me would be after the overhead is taken care of...

ACC contract
3.6 billion for 15 years. that is 240 million per year. Divide by 15 and that's 16 million per school per year(plus 1 share going to the ACC). The original articles that Curtis has been posting do not take this into account at all....

You can't really be this stupid can you?

I'm going to assume it is just trolling.

how am I trolling? ACC getting by the numbers 16 million per school.....
from a BC source:
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/5/9/3...gh-2026-27

The way the NY Times article reads the payout that the BE teams are going to get after everything is the 10/14 million......

Stever wrong paper the original article was in the NY Daily News...also this is all speculation...I've never read a source speculation that ever takes out conference overhead...also I wouldn't count my TV dollars until they're hatched. The BE is in the "cat bird seat" as long as ESPN plays along. Remember Tier 1 + 2 favor market brands...Tier 3 favors markets. To get that money I'd guess you'll have to bundle Tier 3 in with it. The BE really, really needs to get BYU to play along and join and only ESPN can do that maximize BYU right now.

(08-03-2012 04:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  all of your links are just dividing by 14 shares. It's been established the ACC divides by 15 shares and takes 1 share for themesleves. So 16 million....

U are being idiotic...all conferences take a cut for overhead and a cash kitty.

the article referenced said the per team payout would be 10/14 for the Big East. That to me would be after the overhead is taken care of...

ACC contract
3.6 billion for 15 years. that is 240 million per year. Divide by 15 and that's 16 million per school per year(plus 1 share going to the ACC). The original articles that Curtis has been posting do not take this into account at all....

You can't really be this stupid can you?

I'm going to assume it is just trolling.

how am I trolling? ACC getting by the numbers 16 million per school.....
from a BC source:
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/5/9/3...gh-2026-27

The way the NY Times article reads the payout that the BE teams are going to get after everything is the 10/14 million......

Ok, I guess you really are that stupid.

(08-03-2012 04:58 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:12 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  U are being idiotic...all conferences take a cut for overhead and a cash kitty.

the article referenced said the per team payout would be 10/14 for the Big East. That to me would be after the overhead is taken care of...

ACC contract
3.6 billion for 15 years. that is 240 million per year. Divide by 15 and that's 16 million per school per year(plus 1 share going to the ACC). The original articles that Curtis has been posting do not take this into account at all....

You can't really be this stupid can you?

I'm going to assume it is just trolling.

how am I trolling? ACC getting by the numbers 16 million per school.....
from a BC source:
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/5/9/3...gh-2026-27

The way the NY Times article reads the payout that the BE teams are going to get after everything is the 10/14 million......

Ok, I guess you really are that stupid.

Or you are.. ACC getting $16 million per school is a FACT. We'll see what the Big East gets. It'll be interesting to see how close the final numbers the 10/14 million per school per year is. If even after the overhead, the schools get $14 million per school, it's a huge win for the Big East.

And, as someone said- if it's say a 10 year contract, Big East would be up for bidding quickly and the last few years would be in a new deal...

(08-03-2012 05:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:58 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the article referenced said the per team payout would be 10/14 for the Big East. That to me would be after the overhead is taken care of...

ACC contract
3.6 billion for 15 years. that is 240 million per year. Divide by 15 and that's 16 million per school per year(plus 1 share going to the ACC). The original articles that Curtis has been posting do not take this into account at all....

You can't really be this stupid can you?

I'm going to assume it is just trolling.

how am I trolling? ACC getting by the numbers 16 million per school.....
from a BC source:
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/5/9/3...gh-2026-27

The way the NY Times article reads the payout that the BE teams are going to get after everything is the 10/14 million......

Ok, I guess you really are that stupid.

Or you are.. ACC getting $16 million per school is a FACT. We'll see what the Big East gets. It'll be interesting to see how close the final numbers the 10/14 million per school per year is. If even after the overhead, the schools get $14 million per school, it's a huge win for the Big East.

And, as someone said- if it's say a 10 year contract, Big East would be up for bidding quickly and the last few years would be in a new deal...

So in your mind all the conferences run for free except the ACC?

(08-03-2012 04:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:27 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  Just drop the pizzing contest.

The point being ACC members are happy with their deal, and the nBE members like the sounds of where theirs is headed.

When all is said and done the BE will have somewhere slightly north of $15 million per all sports member, and it will be slightly less than the ACC deal.

We all win.

Peace.

Well, according to the article, Big East would be looking at 14 million per all sports member.

I know exactly what that article says.

(08-03-2012 05:24 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:58 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  You can't really be this stupid can you?

I'm going to assume it is just trolling.

how am I trolling? ACC getting by the numbers 16 million per school.....
from a BC source:
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/5/9/3...gh-2026-27

The way the NY Times article reads the payout that the BE teams are going to get after everything is the 10/14 million......

Ok, I guess you really are that stupid.

Or you are.. ACC getting $16 million per school is a FACT. We'll see what the Big East gets. It'll be interesting to see how close the final numbers the 10/14 million per school per year is. If even after the overhead, the schools get $14 million per school, it's a huge win for the Big East.

And, as someone said- if it's say a 10 year contract, Big East would be up for bidding quickly and the last few years would be in a new deal...

So in your mind all the conferences run for free except the ACC?

some of the other conferences may just take out the money from things like the conference tournament, conference championship game, those type of things. The numbers to eventually see will be the revenue distrobutions at the end of the seasons.

(08-03-2012 03:29 PM)uconnbaseball Wrote:  If this comes to pass, this would be amazing for the BE. 17.1 million>14 million, but not by NEARLY the margin one would expect considering how badly the ACC has pillaged the Big East the past decade. John Swofford is a horrible negotiator and should be banned from contract negotiations.

I agree. If these reports turn out to be true, then the Big East is much closer to the ACC than I thought they would be. Only a 3 million dollar gap only 10 years removed from Miami, VT, and BC leaving and at the same time Pitt, Syracuse, and WVU leaving is incredibly surprising to me.




Maybe the ACC should suck it up and allow the Orange Bowl to match its winner with the higher ranked team between Notre Dame and the Big East champion.

(08-03-2012 05:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:24 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:58 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  how am I trolling? ACC getting by the numbers 16 million per school.....
from a BC source:
http://www.bcinterruption.com/2012/5/9/3...gh-2026-27

The way the NY Times article reads the payout that the BE teams are going to get after everything is the 10/14 million......

Ok, I guess you really are that stupid.

Or you are.. ACC getting $16 million per school is a FACT. We'll see what the Big East gets. It'll be interesting to see how close the final numbers the 10/14 million per school per year is. If even after the overhead, the schools get $14 million per school, it's a huge win for the Big East.

And, as someone said- if it's say a 10 year contract, Big East would be up for bidding quickly and the last few years would be in a new deal...

So in your mind all the conferences run for free except the ACC?

some of the other conferences may just take out the money from things like the conference tournament, conference championship game, those type of things. The numbers to eventually see will be the revenue distrobutions at the end of the seasons.

So if the money is going to get taken out one way or another. Why wouldn't you compare tv distribution per school to tv distribution per school? You are looking like a moron trying to compare tv distribution less overhead to tv distribution.

No one seems to consider if no one bids against NBC why would they shell out that much money.

(08-03-2012 05:35 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:24 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 04:58 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Ok, I guess you really are that stupid.

Or you are.. ACC getting $16 million per school is a FACT. We'll see what the Big East gets. It'll be interesting to see how close the final numbers the 10/14 million per school per year is. If even after the overhead, the schools get $14 million per school, it's a huge win for the Big East.

And, as someone said- if it's say a 10 year contract, Big East would be up for bidding quickly and the last few years would be in a new deal...

So in your mind all the conferences run for free except the ACC?

some of the other conferences may just take out the money from things like the conference tournament, conference championship game, those type of things. The numbers to eventually see will be the revenue distrobutions at the end of the seasons.

So if the money is going to get taken out one way or another. Why wouldn't you compare tv distribution per school to tv distribution per school? You are looking like a moron trying to compare tv distribution less overhead to tv distribution.

All I said was it'll be interesting if the Big East after overhead does get close to $14 million after overhead. ACC after overhead gets $16 million....

(08-03-2012 03:34 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:31 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  well according to this article wrong...
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2012/5/9/3...tract-espn

ACC takes 1 share.... So $16 million per school....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--acc-...-woes.html

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/col...r-1903854/

$17.1 million.

all of your links are just dividing by 14 shares. It's been established the ACC divides by 15 shares and takes 1 share for themesleves. So 16 million....

I am not sure why there is a big fuss about it. I have heard 17.5 million forever. He is acting like saying 16 is terrible but 17.1 is magic.
Bottom line...If it isn't as good as The Big East by a significant margin then we must make it seem that way. It could very well be 16 million per team.... But who really cares?

(08-03-2012 05:37 PM)HR_Poke Wrote:  No one seems to consider if no one bids against NBC why would they shell out that much money.

I tend to agree with you, but I'll give the answer I've come up with, given that so many people and sources are telling me I'm wrong:

The people making the decisions are not really acting in the interests of NBC, they are acting in their own personal interests. If you're the director of NBC Sports, and you get Big East football for $5M per team per year, maybe you made a smart deal, but you're still the head of a distant-second-place network to ESPN. On the other hand, if you pay the Big East a price comparable to the ACC, then you're the head of a slightly plausible challenger to ESPN's dominance. Which gets you a better table at that fancy restaurant all the TV executives go to?

Second, consider the "I'll Be Gone, You'll Be Gone" factor. It's often better for a career in media to fail at a higher level than to succeed at a lower level. Failing at a high level gets noticed--you were a big bold risktaker. Succeeding at a lower level doesn't get as much attention.

If you're a Comcast shareholder, you want to drive a hard bargain and get the most Big East content for the least money. If you're the Comcast executives in charge of Big East sports, you want to make a deal that makes NBC Sports a big deal, and you a big shot by association.

(08-03-2012 05:37 PM)HR_Poke Wrote:  No one seems to consider if no one bids against NBC why would they shell out that much money.

true, though at least with the hoops, everyone would be bidding. Big East could say to get hoops you have to get football as well.....

(08-03-2012 05:37 PM)HR_Poke Wrote:  No one seems to consider if no one bids against NBC why would they shell out that much money.

So you are saying The Big East will get an offer from NBC but if no one else makes a bid then NBC is gonna say "We know we told you this and we signed it but since ESPN or FOX did not show interest we are gonna not pay you what we said we would."
I am not sure they are allowed to do that if an agreement is in place.

First, nice false advertisement of the OP thread LOL! Nothing to do with BYU in that article.

Second, myself and a few others should have formed a committee for the Big East and sold our ideas about 2 years ago....this is the exact gameplan we drew up and discussed at nauseum....right around the time Nebraska was being talked about to go to Big 10 and we felt the B12 was going to be in flux.

NBC contract, lure in some schools surpass ACC in tv and on the field...etc etc.....

Now its NBC contract, middle finger to ESPN with good reason, some of the same schools being added, but still screwed elsewhere particularly on the field....

BYU would be a nice get, not sure it will work with their tv deal they have now though.

What I dont get is if you're in the Big East and you can get that big of a contract, why do you want BYU? Sure they're a good program but how much revenue can you draw from them in the league anyway?

Is it worth, again assuming you've got a great deal without BYU, putting up with BYU's administration for whatever small (if any) gain to the Big East. BYU's administration not only doesn't play well with others, it expects everyone to toe their line on practically everything. If you need another team out west, Colorado State or UNLV is attractive too. You also don't have to do much to keep Boise State and SDSU in the fold if the money and exposure difference is as great as this indicates.

I'd pass on BYU in this instance. You don't need them.

This is just an early volley in the rumor war that's already begun and will continue for the next four months until a Big East TV deal is signed. "Sources" will be quoted as saying all kinds of things in an effort to sway the bidders to go higher or lower. The numbers will be all over the map. My advice to Big East fans is buckle up, the roller coaster ride is just beginning.

(08-03-2012 05:54 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  

(08-03-2012 05:37 PM)HR_Poke Wrote:  No one seems to consider if no one bids against NBC why would they shell out that much money.

So you are saying The Big East will get an offer from NBC but if no one else makes a bid then NBC is gonna say "We know we told you this and we signed it but since ESPN or FOX did not show interest we are gonna not pay you what we said we would."
I am not sure they are allowed to do that if an agreement is in place.

No agreement is in place right now--the Big East can't negotiate with anyone but ESPN until the exclusive window is over, Nov 1 I think. During that window, I guarantee that numbers from ESPN's offer(s) will leak.

By the time NBC can legally make an offer, they will know ESPN's opening bid.

Big East, 2015 .....

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Louisville
USF
UCF
Memphis
SMU
Houston
Boise
BYU
SDSU

... very nice. Definitely a "power" conference, no matter how you define "power" (TV money, computer rankings, etc.).

If the Big East gets a deal like that, College football will probably split into another division soon. The big 6 conferences will just be on another level than C-USA/MWC etc.