Why am I not shocked by Frank The Tank's lowball estimates? He's been wrong on so many other things that I'm even more confident now that the Big East schools are about to get paid big money.

(08-21-2012 01:54 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Why am I not shocked by Frank The Tank's lowball estimates? He's been wrong on so many other things that I'm even more confident now that the Big East schools are about to get paid big money.

You actually think that $10 million per all-sports school per year is a lowball number? How much Kool-Aid have you been drinking? It might not be a pie-in-the-sky estimate, but it certainly isn't a lowball one. My estimate reflects $144 million per year for the total Big East contract, which is just under the ACC contract total that everyone has as the goal (and that's what most of these industry sources mean by the Big East getting "ACC-type" money or "more than the 2011 ESPN offer" - they're talking about the total as opposed to the per school number).

(08-21-2012 03:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 01:54 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Why am I not shocked by Frank The Tank's lowball estimates? He's been wrong on so many other things that I'm even more confident now that the Big East schools are about to get paid big money.

You actually think that $10 million per all-sports school per year is a lowball number? How much Kool-Aid have you been drinking? It might not be a pie-in-the-sky estimate, but it certainly isn't a lowball one. My estimate reflects $144 million per year for the total Big East contract, which is just under the ACC contract total that everyone has as the goal (and that's what most of these industry sources mean by the Big East getting "ACC-type" money or "more than the 2011 ESPN offer" - they're talking about the total as opposed to the per school number).

The 2011 ESPN offer was for $1.4B over 9 years or $155M/year. Not $111M/year.

(08-21-2012 03:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 01:54 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Why am I not shocked by Frank The Tank's lowball estimates? He's been wrong on so many other things that I'm even more confident now that the Big East schools are about to get paid big money.

You actually think that $10 million per all-sports school per year is a lowball number? How much Kool-Aid have you been drinking? It might not be a pie-in-the-sky estimate, but it certainly isn't a lowball one. My estimate reflects $144 million per year for the total Big East contract, which is just under the ACC contract total that everyone has as the goal (and that's what most of these industry sources mean by the Big East getting "ACC-type" money or "more than the 2011 ESPN offer" - they're talking about the total as opposed to the per school number).

144M, the old ACC contract shouldn't be the goal. The goal is to exceed the new ACC contract which has an average of $240M.

(08-21-2012 03:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 01:54 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Why am I not shocked by Frank The Tank's lowball estimates? He's been wrong on so many other things that I'm even more confident now that the Big East schools are about to get paid big money.

You actually think that $10 million per all-sports school per year is a lowball number? How much Kool-Aid have you been drinking? It might not be a pie-in-the-sky estimate, but it certainly isn't a lowball one. My estimate reflects $144 million per year for the total Big East contract, which is just under the ACC contract total that everyone has as the goal (and that's what most of these industry sources mean by the Big East getting "ACC-type" money or "more than the 2011 ESPN offer" - they're talking about the total as opposed to the per school number).

Yes Frank: I actually believe that 10 million a year, per school is a low ball number. I believe 5 & 15= 20 million a year is more realistic and it could go higher on the open market. Who ever thought the Pac 12 would get the contract they ended up with recently? Nobody. Let's all sit back and see what happens. I just love competition and the free enterprise system. Mr.P.3242
Mr.P.3242

(08-21-2012 03:03 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 01:54 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Why am I not shocked by Frank The Tank's lowball estimates? He's been wrong on so many other things that I'm even more confident now that the Big East schools are about to get paid big money.

You actually think that $10 million per all-sports school per year is a lowball number? How much Kool-Aid have you been drinking? It might not be a pie-in-the-sky estimate, but it certainly isn't a lowball one. My estimate reflects $144 million per year for the total Big East contract, which is just under the ACC contract total that everyone has as the goal (and that's what most of these industry sources mean by the Big East getting "ACC-type" money or "more than the 2011 ESPN offer" - they're talking about the total as opposed to the per school number).

Yes it's a lowball number. You've been drinking the ESPN Kool-Aid. But they've got competition, so the number is going up.

http://media.espn929.com/a/61472900/espn...ike+aresco

Hmm, talking trash three months before we get a deal. I sure hope you guys are right. I think you are, but you never know.

You can rule out the Ticket City Bowl. CUSA is taking it over:

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2012/...hint.html/

1) all sports: 13mil/yr
catholic schools:4mil/yr
football only:9mil/yr

2) football tier 1:nbc with 10 games ota on nbc including championship game
tier 2 majority to nbc sports net/comcast with espn taking 6 games to be played thursday/friday night
tier 3 kept by the teams locally

basketball: tier 1 split among nbc/cbs/espn
tier 2 split between nbcsn and espn
tier 3 local regional networks

3) pinstripe,vegas,poinsettia,a texas bowl, russell athletics bowl,st pete,,liberty,

4) conditional share

(09-19-2012 07:27 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  1) all sports: 13mil/yr
catholic schools:4mil/yr
football only:9mil/yr

2) football tier 1:nbc with 10 games ota on nbc including championship game
tier 2 majority to nbc sports net/comcast with espn taking 6 games to be played thursday/friday night
tier 3 kept by the teams locally

basketball: tier 1 split among nbc/cbs/espn
tier 2 split between nbcsn and espn
tier 3 local regional networks

3) pinstripe,vegas,poinsettia,a texas bowl, russell athletics bowl,st pete,,liberty,

4) conditional share

I think something along those lines is very real except the bow situation could be a little better depending on the rules if they add an extra game.

1) All Sports: 14 mil. a year
Basketball Schools: 4 mil. a year
Football Schools 10. mil a year

2) Football Tier 1: NBC with 12 games + CCG
Football Tier 2: NBC Sports Network (3 games each Saturday, 12 games on Thursday or Friday)
Football Tier 2: ESPNU (1 game each Saturday Afternoon)
Football Tier 3: Big East syndication network, partnering with Comcast Sports RSN's.

Basketball Tier 1 & 2: Split with NBCSN & ESPN.
Basketball Tier 3: Big East syndication network

3) Capital One Bowl, Pinstripe Bowl, Russell Athletics Bowl, Liberty Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, Poinsettia Bowl, St. Pete Bowl

Well I made a prediction months ago and I guess I have to keep it. If not one of you all probably have the damn link saved somewhere....

BYU and Air Force will come in for next year and Navy and Army the year after. Also- The conference will do the zipper setup.

football only schools will get 11.5 million and All sport members will get 14 and the contract will be split between ESPN and NBC (ESPN will be for a majority of basketball and Thursday night football.) Basketball schools only get 2 million.

Bold prediction- I am thinking the Big East will get it's own Bowl for its champion and will play the highest rated non-AQ conference team (Obviously it will not be called a non-AQ but a non-qualifier or whatever the term will be.) as long as it is in the top 25 or a 3rd place team from either the Big 12 or Big 10.

Bowl Games:
The Big East Champions Bowl (Yet Unnamed)
Poinsettia Bowl (Western Bowl for Big East presence)
Champs Sports Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl
Beef O Brady's Bowl
Military Bowl- Obvious add with 3 military schools
Armed Forces Bowl- Same as Military Bowl
Liberty Bowl

I dropped the Compass and Belk Bowls because we have no presence in Alabama or North Carolina.

1st Championship game will be Cincinnati @ Boise State. The NBE will have 3 teams finish in the top 25 and 2 others getting votes.

War Torn Ruston: Don't forget the Big East is also going to get the Liberty Bowl in the very near future. I love your predictions. Mr.P.3242

(09-20-2012 04:48 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Well I made a prediction months ago and I guess I have to keep it. If not one of you all probably have the damn link saved somewhere....

BYU and Air Force will come in for next year and Navy and Army the year after. Also- The conference will do the zipper setup.

football only schools will get 11.5 million and All sport members will get 14 and the contract will be split between ESPN and NBC (ESPN will be for a majority of basketball and Thursday night football.) Basketball schools only get 2 million.

Bold prediction- I am thinking the Big East will get it's own Bowl for its champion and will play the highest rated non-AQ conference team (Obviously it will not be called a non-AQ but a non-qualifier or whatever the term will be.) as long as it is in the top 25 or a 3rd place team from either the Big 12 or Big 10.

Bowl Games:
The Big East Champions Bowl (Yet Unnamed)
Poinsettia Bowl (Western Bowl for Big East presence)
Champs Sports Bowl
Pinstripe Bowl
Beef O Brady's Bowl
Military Bowl- Obvious add with 3 military schools
Armed Forces Bowl- Same as Military Bowl

I dropped the Compass and Belk Bowls because we have no presence in Alabama or North Carolina.

1st Championship game will be Cincinnati @ Boise State. The NBE will have 3 teams finish in the top 25 and 2 others getting votes.

That may be difficult considering from the proposals I have seen they'll be in the same division.

I like your thinking War Torn!

War torn, the Liberty bowl will be a BE bowl.

You heard it here first . . . $13.5 million to full members (based on 14-member nBe). Deal will be with NBC. Will include a Big East Champions bowl game that pays out between $8-10 million per team. Deal will be done before Christmas. Not even an NFL replacement ref can botch this deal.

(09-27-2012 12:35 AM)UHCougar Wrote:  You heard it here first . . . $13.5 million to full members (based on 14-member nBe). Deal will be with NBC. Will include a Big East Champions bowl game that pays out between $8-10 million per team. Deal will be done before Christmas. Not even an NFL replacement ref can botch this deal.

At first, I thought that you meant the per BIG EAST team payout would be $8-10 million (as in $8-10 million for each of the 13 football-playing teams, plus a mirror payout to the opposition). However, i now realize that you meant that the total payout will be between $8-10 million for the whole conference. That seems a little on the low end, but very reasonable.

the BE is proving its worth on the field this year...
I see $14 mill per football team (14 teams)
$4-$6 mill per bb. We'll still be able to get at least 6 teams into the Dance year in and out

$20mill all sports

$4 million for Olympics, they stay with ESPN and CBS for hoops. $8-$10 million for FB. Likely split between two bidders. My best guess is $13 mil for all sports, $9 for FB and $4 for olympic.

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