(11-23-2012 09:44 PM)jam2112 Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:25 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:21 PM)jmethodius Wrote:  The tweet is still there on the mobile site. I can't grab a screenshot without rooting my phone. It is currently showing as 5h ago.

I still have it. Here is a copy and paste.

Quote:Just heard from someone tied to Big East, Louisville to the ACC w/ Cincy, UConn to likely follow @Corey_Clark @IraSchoffel @Natalie_Pierre
2:28pm - 23 Nov 12

I would take a screen shot from my Ipad if I knew how.

Hit the "home" and "power" buttons at the same time.

I googled that and have the photo, but now I don't know how to get it on here lol

He replied to a question asking why he removed it. They asked if he removed it because it was inaccurate, he says 'other reasons'.

Nobody is going to go to the B12 unless the conference loses more to actual power leagues.

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

the espn contract doesnt include all tier 3 it includes some. Our ad was quoted as saying we would make 24-25mil/yr in acc .the big 12 football isnt that much better this year big 12 scheduled to have the most bowl eligible teams possible so most teams took it easy out of conference.Its a little better but thats because virginia tech is down this year and north carolina/miami have scandals that have hurt them

So UH remains screwed. Awesome.

(11-23-2012 09:50 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

the espn contract doesnt include all tier 3 it includes some. Our ad was quoted as saying we would make 24-25mil/yr in acc .the big 12 football isnt that much better this year big 12 scheduled to have the most bowl eligible teams possible so most teams took it easy out of conference.Its a little better but thats because virginia tech is down this year and north carolina/miami have scandals that have hurt them

The tier three crap is constantly overblown on here. It is funny that fans care so much about their school owning tier three and them not being able to actually see the content it would cover.

The ACC and Big 12 are too close in payout to justify a 50 million dollar fee and increased travel.

(11-23-2012 09:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:38 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm not saying there's not any truth to this but how is a writer from Tallahassee breaking this?

I can tell you that they have a great media over there in Tallahassee. They don't miss on much. Someone from FSU probably blabbed what he/she knew...

And why not Tallahassee? That is where FSU is. I would say it is just as possible to be released from there as any other location in the ACC. In fact I would say its more possible. I really do not think that combination of three is going to get FSU excited. If they do not like it then I would not be surprised if someone was upset and told a friend. Now maybe that would be purposeful to get the word out to try and have it stopped or maybe accidental. IF accidental that would explain why there would be a retraction.

Point being, it actually makes sense that such a leak would come from the Tallahassee area.

(11-23-2012 09:51 PM)kmcc505 Wrote:  So UH remains screwed. Awesome.

Don't you think the MWC would want UH and SMU along with Boise and SDSt? Pretty good conference there.

(11-23-2012 09:23 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

Not to mention the second class citizen treatment of the ACC in the new BCS bowl situation.

(11-23-2012 09:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:32 PM)omniorange Wrote:  IF true, to me, this means the ACC is expecting more defections.

Welcome to the New Big East.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil, It sounds to me that they are trying to pre-fill future vacancies. I imagine that if any are leaving this helps salve their conscience. Wake, Miami, or any others that may have been left behind will have a new conference to build around. Who knows South Florida and E.C.U. may get invites as well. It clears the way to 60. JR

i think they would be trying to block the big 12 as cincy and louisville would be near the top of there list if no acc teams were available.

Not to mention the second class citizen treatment of the ACC in the new BCS bowl situation.
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we have nobody to blame but ourself in the new bowl situation

(11-23-2012 09:51 PM)kmcc505 Wrote:  So UH remains screwed. Awesome.

Scroooooomed.

(11-23-2012 09:53 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:50 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

the espn contract doesnt include all tier 3 it includes some. Our ad was quoted as saying we would make 24-25mil/yr in acc .the big 12 football isnt that much better this year big 12 scheduled to have the most bowl eligible teams possible so most teams took it easy out of conference.Its a little better but thats because virginia tech is down this year and north carolina/miami have scandals that have hurt them

The tier three crap is constantly overblown on here. It is funny that fans care so much about their school owning tier three and them not being able to actually see the content it would cover.

The ACC and Big 12 are too close in payout to justify a 50 million dollar fee and increased travel.

ACC is not near the Big 12 right now, their payout slowly builds up to the 17 mil. It is not there now. The big 12 has much more room for growth and thus much more room for renegotiation. With the proper additions the big 12 would dwarf the ACC in payout. There really is only one addition that will get the ACC a bigger payout and if they add those three...then its pretty much impossible to get that addition without movement beyond 16.

(11-23-2012 09:50 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

the espn contract doesnt include all tier 3 it includes some. Our ad was quoted as saying we would make 24-25mil/yr in acc .the big 12 football isnt that much better this year big 12 scheduled to have the most bowl eligible teams possible so most teams took it easy out of conference.Its a little better but thats because virginia tech is down this year and north carolina/miami have scandals that have hurt them

That's my understanding as well. SU will still have the ability to keep its TWC and SNY deals, plus any radio deals, etc.

If the ACC is to lose more teams, it will be to the BiG and/or SEC first. Only after those losses will the B12 become a more attractive option to those that remain behind, assuming the Texahoma public schools don't move to the Pac in the meantime.

Cheers,
Neil

(11-23-2012 09:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:53 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:50 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

the espn contract doesnt include all tier 3 it includes some. Our ad was quoted as saying we would make 24-25mil/yr in acc .the big 12 football isnt that much better this year big 12 scheduled to have the most bowl eligible teams possible so most teams took it easy out of conference.Its a little better but thats because virginia tech is down this year and north carolina/miami have scandals that have hurt them

The tier three crap is constantly overblown on here. It is funny that fans care so much about their school owning tier three and them not being able to actually see the content it would cover.

The ACC and Big 12 are too close in payout to justify a 50 million dollar fee and increased travel.

ACC is not near the Big 12 right now, their payout slowly builds up to the 17 mil. It is not there now. The big 12 has much more room for growth and thus much more room for renegotiation. With the proper additions the big 12 would dwarf the ACC in payout. There really is only one addition that will get the ACC a bigger payout and if they add those three...then its pretty much impossible to get that addition without movement beyond 16.

And the B12 gets above average payout every year of the deal...

Yeh, I've heard all that nonsense before.

(11-23-2012 09:53 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:38 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I'm not saying there's not any truth to this but how is a writer from Tallahassee breaking this?

I can tell you that they have a great media over there in Tallahassee. They don't miss on much. Someone from FSU probably blabbed what he/she knew...

And why not Tallahassee? That is where FSU is. I would say it is just as possible to be released from there as any other location in the ACC. In fact I would say its more possible. I really do not think that combination of three is going to get FSU excited. If they do not like it then I would not be surprised if someone was upset and told a friend. Now maybe that would be purposeful to get the word out to try and have it stopped or maybe accidental. IF accidental that would explain why there would be a retraction.

Point being, it actually makes sense that such a leak would come from the Tallahassee area.

Yep, and their reporters always seem to know what the FSU Prez and AD are thinking or saying well before anyone else. Certainly the way it shook out this past year with the Big XII rumors and all. I think you are right on here.

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

espn also has a vested interest in keeping the acc clearly as #5 conference for programing across the world wide leader

(11-23-2012 09:54 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:23 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

Not to mention the second class citizen treatment of the ACC in the new BCS bowl situation.

(11-23-2012 09:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:32 PM)omniorange Wrote:  IF true, to me, this means the ACC is expecting more defections.

Welcome to the New Big East.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil, It sounds to me that they are trying to pre-fill future vacancies. I imagine that if any are leaving this helps salve their conscience. Wake, Miami, or any others that may have been left behind will have a new conference to build around. Who knows South Florida and E.C.U. may get invites as well. It clears the way to 60. JR

i think they would be trying to block the big 12 as cincy and louisville would be near the top of there list if no acc teams were available.

Not to mention the second class citizen treatment of the ACC in the new BCS bowl situation.

we have nobody to blame but ourself in the new bowl situation
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There's no reason to block a conference that won't be around long either.

(11-23-2012 09:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:53 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:50 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

the espn contract doesnt include all tier 3 it includes some. Our ad was quoted as saying we would make 24-25mil/yr in acc .the big 12 football isnt that much better this year big 12 scheduled to have the most bowl eligible teams possible so most teams took it easy out of conference.Its a little better but thats because virginia tech is down this year and north carolina/miami have scandals that have hurt them

The tier three crap is constantly overblown on here. It is funny that fans care so much about their school owning tier three and them not being able to actually see the content it would cover.

The ACC and Big 12 are too close in payout to justify a 50 million dollar fee and increased travel.

ACC is not near the Big 12 right now, their payout slowly builds up to the 17 mil. It is not there now. The big 12 has much more room for growth and thus much more room for renegotiation. With the proper additions the big 12 would dwarf the ACC in payout. There really is only one addition that will get the ACC a bigger payout and if they add those three...then its pretty much impossible to get that addition without movement beyond 16.

For the record, all major TV sports contracts work that way.

Example, if your TV contracts are worth $20 million a year for the life of a 13 year contract, then it is at the middle of that contract the 7th year that you get to the $20 million figure. The first 6 years are less than $20 million (building to that figure) and the last 6 years are more than $20 million.

Year 1 - $14 million
Year 2 - $15 million
Year 3 - $16 million
Year 4 - $17 million
Year 5 - $18 million
Year 6 - $19 million
Year 7 - $20 million
Year 8 - $21 million
Year 9 - $22 million
Year 10 - $23 million
Year 11 - $24 million
Year 12 - $25 million
Year 13 - $26 million


Cheers,
Neil

(11-23-2012 10:00 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

(11-23-2012 08:11 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:08 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Won't be enough. The moment they try and get the southern schools to sign a GoR with that line up it will be a no go.

Louisville can buy them time but they cant buy them that much.

VT, FSU, Clemson, GT, UNC, NCSU, UVa probably against GoR as long as the B1G, SEC aren't at 16 plus B12 may have a deal for a few of them if the others bail to B1G and SEC.

i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

espn also has a vested interest in keeping the acc clearly as #5 conference for programing across the world wide leader

I absolutely agree but I also think their interest is in pulling Notre Dame from NBC. If the ACC makes this move then I have to say it would likely be without the approval of ESPN.

(11-23-2012 09:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:53 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:50 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 09:19 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 08:59 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  i dont see the big obsession with joining the big 12 moeny isnt that much more and all you wouldbe doing is going from 1 team controllin things to a conference where another team controls the cards and makes a bunch more per year and the football isnt that much better

The money is better. The ACC contract includes tier 3 the Big 12's doesnt. The only way the ACC's contract will get renegotiated is if they get Notre Dame. Otherwise no other possibilities are going to be enough to get ESPN to say ok before they happen.

For the Big 12 it is already built into their contract that they will get more if they get the right teams. So if say FSU and Georgia Tech were to go first, the Big 12 would be able to immediately start talks for the renegotiation of the money.

Also...did you just try to say that Big 12 football "isnt that much better" than ACC football? Really?

the espn contract doesnt include all tier 3 it includes some. Our ad was quoted as saying we would make 24-25mil/yr in acc .the big 12 football isnt that much better this year big 12 scheduled to have the most bowl eligible teams possible so most teams took it easy out of conference.Its a little better but thats because virginia tech is down this year and north carolina/miami have scandals that have hurt them

The tier three crap is constantly overblown on here. It is funny that fans care so much about their school owning tier three and them not being able to actually see the content it would cover.

The ACC and Big 12 are too close in payout to justify a 50 million dollar fee and increased travel.

ACC is not near the Big 12 right now, their payout slowly builds up to the 17 mil. It is not there now. The big 12 has much more room for growth and thus much more room for renegotiation. With the proper additions the big 12 would dwarf the ACC in payout. There really is only one addition that will get the ACC a bigger payout and if they add those three...then its pretty much impossible to get that addition without movement beyond 16.

i hate to break it to you but every media contract is backloaded big 12 probably starts at 15-16mil/team vs acc starting at 12-13mil/yr

Ok guys, the point is that there is only ONE team that is going to be able to change the contract to a higher negotiated payout. That team is not Louisville, that team is not Cinci and that team is not UConn. Those three do not provide a combination of power that would get it done either so....the ACC is stuck at THAT negotiated contract.

The Big 12 IF it was to work in concert with the SEC and Big Ten would possibly be able to come up with a line up that has much more ability to move the needle towards renegotiated contract. Why is that? Because certain programs are the bulk of what gets marketed from the ACC. It just so happens that a good number of those would likely be the ones ending up with the Big 12 because the SEC and Big Ten are more worried about markets than athletic program strength. Both of them think an institution can build programs with the money they offer.

That is the point folks. You can school me all day long on how contracts all build but that is not the point. Congrats on winning that one, the fact remains that this trio that is being talked about will NOT get the ACC a renegotiated contract and that will not be liked by certain southern schools that already carry most of the burden of value in the contract.