(11-30-2012 06:45 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I say bring in Cincinnati anyway and if needed as a replacement school ,one of UConn, Memphis, USF to 16/17 with ND. This would give a cushion should someone itch for what They think are greener pastures. ND might be 8 to 10 years away from a FB commitment anyway. You take out a potential Big 12 invite in UC and if ND jumps in down the road for Football, then You have 16 anyway if not needing one of the others. UC would commit to expanding Nippert or just move Games to PBS. There's talk of a new Arena on the Campus or Riverfront/Downtown.

While the Big 12 isn't drooling over inviting Cincinnati, they could certainly be a bridge to WVU if they decided to add 4 teams to get to 14. I think it would be wise to scoop them up (FWIW I much rather be in the ACC than the Big 12 all things being equal), but what do I know, I'm just a UC homer

(11-30-2012 06:34 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 06:30 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  I still don't believe any of it.

What? That I would take Newberry before UConn? Believe it.

At least with Newberry the kids can have fun chasing the extra points and field goal kicks in the graveyard next to Setzler Field

Would you rather have Maryland back or UConn?

How legit is this guy that you all know of....says UVa and GTech are announcing Monday for Big 10
https://twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status...1634573312

I've been hearing the Virginia to BIG for a couple of Years now. I can see them and maybe UConn as a pair. If true then Cincinnati, come on down. Give the ACC an Ohio footprint to go with Pitt and ND in the BIGs Backyard. I can't see GT leaving.

Well once Maryland left, anything is possible. But David Teel appears way more connected to both Virginia schools than this guy and he doesn't think it's happening.

Still, these are interesting times we live in.

Cheers,
Neil

(11-30-2012 10:27 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Would you rather have Maryland back or UConn?

Maryland - not even close.

(12-01-2012 06:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 10:27 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Would you rather have Maryland back or UConn?

Maryland - not even close.

This.

Honestly, can we trade either the french or Cuse out with y'all? Maybe those cats in the Midwest wouldn't notice the difference until it was too late.

(11-30-2012 03:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Interesting find: 2 years ago a TV network guy shared analysis of the relative value of potential B1G expansion teams (LINK). He ranked them in this order (remember, this is their value to BTN, not nationally):

1) Texas (duh)
2) Rutgers (done deal)
3 Nebraska (done deal)
4 Maryland (done deal)
5) Boston College
6) Notre Dame (duh, but already in footprint)
7) Kansas
8) Missouri
9) Syracuse

NOTE: Everyone below Syracuse was projected as a money-loser or money-neutral for BTN. Remember, these guys are convinced that they need content (BC hockey and KU basketball, e.g.) and they need cable subscribers (Boston and Kansas City)

1) Texas (duh)
2) Rutgers (done deal)
2.5) Syracuse W/NYC
3 Nebraska (done deal)
4 Maryland (done deal)
5) Boston College
6) Notre Dame (duh, but already in footprint)
7) Kansas
8) Missouri
9) Syracuse

I didn't read the article, but I don't see SU being more valuable than ND, so I question how legit it is. Either way, assume Kansas can't go (Texas owns their soul), and Texas, ND, and Mizzou won't go, because Texas likes running things, ND likes being special, and Mizzou originally wanted the B1G more than the SEC, but the SEC is in negotations for a new media deal, and I don't see the SEC losing a school during negotiations. Then, the next two are BC and SU, or SU and BC (depending on what "w/ NYC" means). It could happen, but I doubt that it will. Regardless, I am happy with the ACC as is, and hope that it holds together with Syracuse in it.

(12-01-2012 11:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 03:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Interesting find: 2 years ago a TV network guy shared analysis of the relative value of potential B1G expansion teams (LINK). He ranked them in this order (remember, this is their value to BTN, not nationally):

1) Texas (duh)
2) Rutgers (done deal)
3 Nebraska (done deal)
4 Maryland (done deal)
5) Boston College
6) Notre Dame (duh, but already in footprint)
7) Kansas
8) Missouri
9) Syracuse

NOTE: Everyone below Syracuse was projected as a money-loser or money-neutral for BTN. Remember, these guys are convinced that they need content (BC hockey and KU basketball, e.g.) and they need cable subscribers (Boston and Kansas City)

1) Texas (duh)
2) Rutgers (done deal)
2.5) Syracuse W/NYC
3 Nebraska (done deal)
4 Maryland (done deal)
5) Boston College
6) Notre Dame (duh, but already in footprint)
7) Kansas
8) Missouri
9) Syracuse

I didn't read the article, but I don't see SU being more valuable than ND, so I question how legit it is. Either way, assume Kansas can't go (Texas owns their soul), and Texas, ND, and Mizzou won't go, because Texas likes running things, ND likes being special, and Mizzou originally wanted the B1G more than the SEC, but the SEC is in negotations for a new media deal, and I don't see the SEC losing a school during negotiations. Then, the next two are BC and SU, or SU and BC (depending on what "w/ NYC" means). It could happen, but I doubt that it will. Regardless, I am happy with the ACC as is, and hope that it holds together with Syracuse in it.

BC isn't going to go they just got most if not all of their rivals back not to mention the hockey stuff(HE conference with a TV deal)

(12-02-2012 04:18 AM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(12-01-2012 11:50 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 03:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Interesting find: 2 years ago a TV network guy shared analysis of the relative value of potential B1G expansion teams (LINK). He ranked them in this order (remember, this is their value to BTN, not nationally):

1) Texas (duh)
2) Rutgers (done deal)
3 Nebraska (done deal)
4 Maryland (done deal)
5) Boston College
6) Notre Dame (duh, but already in footprint)
7) Kansas
8) Missouri
9) Syracuse

NOTE: Everyone below Syracuse was projected as a money-loser or money-neutral for BTN. Remember, these guys are convinced that they need content (BC hockey and KU basketball, e.g.) and they need cable subscribers (Boston and Kansas City)

1) Texas (duh)
2) Rutgers (done deal)
2.5) Syracuse W/NYC
3 Nebraska (done deal)
4 Maryland (done deal)
5) Boston College
6) Notre Dame (duh, but already in footprint)
7) Kansas
8) Missouri
9) Syracuse

I didn't read the article, but I don't see SU being more valuable than ND, so I question how legit it is. Either way, assume Kansas can't go (Texas owns their soul), and Texas, ND, and Mizzou won't go, because Texas likes running things, ND likes being special, and Mizzou originally wanted the B1G more than the SEC, but the SEC is in negotations for a new media deal, and I don't see the SEC losing a school during negotiations. Then, the next two are BC and SU, or SU and BC (depending on what "w/ NYC" means). It could happen, but I doubt that it will. Regardless, I am happy with the ACC as is, and hope that it holds together with Syracuse in it.

BC isn't going to go they just got most if not all of their rivals back not to mention the hockey stuff(HE conference with a TV deal)

I don't see BC going either. Like I said, I am hesitant to believe that Syracuse is potentially more valuable than ND (understatement), so i question the entire premise.

(12-02-2012 05:58 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I don't see BC going either. Like I said, I am hesitant to believe that Syracuse is potentially more valuable than ND (understatement), so i question the entire premise.

Be careful. BTN is a different dynamic. Would you have picked Maryland & Rutgers as the next 2 for the Big Ten?

(12-02-2012 09:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-02-2012 05:58 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I don't see BC going either. Like I said, I am hesitant to believe that Syracuse is potentially more valuable than ND (understatement), so i question the entire premise.

Be careful. BTN is a different dynamic. Would you have picked Maryland & Rutgers as the next 2 for the Big Ten?

Honestly? No, and I think that the RU and UMD (to a lesser extent) adds were a mistake. I'm not saying that that BC and SU couldn't happen (I actually think that SU offers a lot), but i am saying that if I was the B1G, then I would see how RU and UMD settled in before I added anyone. And, even then, I don't think that BC would be my first add. BC is a fantastic school (great values, wonderful campus, and elite academics) with strong athletics, but it won't deliver Boston, and anyone who has ever been to Boston can tell you why. Boston has more colleges per capita than any other city in the world, and Boston has a number of other outlsets (i.e. the Red Sox and the Celtics are from Boston, and the Patriots are an area team). I think RU has a better chance of capturing NYC's imagination than BC does Boston's, and as I've said all along, I don't think that RU can capture NYC's imagination. There are too many people not "from" NYC living in the city, there are too many other outlets (sports and non-sports), NYC is too culturally fractured (i.e. Brooklyn and the Bronx are both "NYC," but they are NOT the same place, so a "hometown team" for one is NOT a hometown team for the other), and I question whether or not RU has enough seed fans who will watch RU gets stomped by OSU every year (not a negative reflextion of RU... SU would get stomped too). After all, who goes to Rutgers because of the athletics program? I don't know anybody who did that. But, I do know a number of people that went to RU for the music scene/culture in NYC. Half of them aren't even sure if RU has a football team, and I would bet dollars to doughnuts that none of them even know what the B1G is. That's like asking a NYU kid if they sponsor athletics. They don't know (they do btw). H*ll, when I went to PSU, one of my classmates was from Rutgers, and I am not sold that she knew what the B1G was when she came to State. Good luck selling that.

IMO, if the B1G really wants to make a difference in these "markets," then they will double up or be less ambitious. Spreading too thin is a waste of money.

But what do I know? I didn't think that they would ever add Rutgers, so maybe they know something that I don't. And, maybe it is just a lot of wishful thinking on my part. I want to see SU, Pitt, BC, and Miami together again, and I would also like to play FSU and ND on a reg. basis.

*Btw, I means to write: "(understatement)" after "hesitant."

(11-30-2012 10:27 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 06:34 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-30-2012 06:30 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  I still don't believe any of it.

What? That I would take Newberry before UConn? Believe it.

At least with Newberry the kids can have fun chasing the extra points and field goal kicks in the graveyard next to Setzler Field

Would you rather have Maryland back or UConn?

That's a no brainer. MD back. UConn or a root canal with no pain killer, I'd have to think about.

ACC back in play for MSG?

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/...6470086656

"Source told @ESPNAndyKatz MSG may get out of Big East tourney deal if league continues changing membership"

The BE board is in chaos. The nBE fans have all turned on the bball school fans. It is interesting...

(12-11-2012 12:51 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  The BE board is in chaos. The nBE fans have all turned on the bball school fans. It is interesting...

Thanks for the heads up. That "BE Catholics held meeting to discuss Breakaway" thread is very interesting.

That thread is great. And of course ya got BigLEastHomer in the middle continually instigating.

(12-11-2012 02:44 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  That thread is great. And of course ya got BigLEastHomer in the middle continually instigating.

Its like a message board riot over there. Everyone is attacking everyone. That board has degraded worse than the league itself.

(12-11-2012 08:56 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Its like a message board riot over there. Everyone is attacking everyone. That board has degraded worse than the league itself.

That board may actually be similar to what goes on in Big East meetings. How the hell does Tulane get voted in when, apparently, none of the voting members wanted them?

If the Big East does implode does the ACC go to 16 with Cincy & UConn for nothing(no conference, no exit fee or waiting time) right away or would they just let them rot as indies or w/e until we lose someone else?