(12-11-2012 03:16 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  Am I the only one here who thinks the conference is better together than apart?

Seems lie a pretty Awesome bball league and could be a solid Football league as well.

Instead of thrashing each other, lets celebrate what we each school brings to the table.

Yes the schools are better together.

Cincinnati went to 14 NCAA tournament's in a row. Bookending those NCAA trips are three NIT bids. The program was then blown up and rebuilt. There were two losing in over decades that were followed by a winning season, NIT, NCAA round of 32, Sweet 16, and now a team ranked 11th in the nation. Oh by way the the team ranked number 1 right now had three losing seasons in a row plus another one in 2004. Coaching issues can hurt a program but the great schools bounce back.

Providence, St. John's, DePaul, and Seton Hall used to very good. They still can be very good but they are no where near Cincinnati, Memphis, Temple, and UConn in terms of what each schools has done in the last two deaces or so.

(12-11-2012 03:16 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  Am I the only one here who thinks the conference is better together than apart?

Seems lie a pretty Awesome bball league and could be a solid Football league as well.

Instead of thrashing each other, lets celebrate what we each school brings to the table.

I here ya! However I think its a little late. I starting to see the best of the rest from the BE-Cinci,UConn, USF, Temple. C-USA Houston, SMU, ECU, Memphis, UCF, Tulane. MWC-Boise St, SDSU, New Mexico, UNLV, Fresno. Something of that nature and form a new conference. For a 14-16 team league with Good basketball, Baseball, and Decent Football.

(12-11-2012 02:12 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:00 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:44 PM)MickMack Wrote:  For the last time, before you talk about how bad my argument is, read the argument. I said that if St. Johns wasn't situated in in the middle of the biggest recruiting area in the country, they would be a mid-major....

Poor argument. Please just stop. Because if the city of Cincinnati wasn't on the Ohio River, and was instead in Alaska, it would be no bigger than Nome. So just be lucky Cincinnati is on the Ohio River.

Nope it's a salient argument. Without NYC, St. Johns would be Providence. I think it's fair to remind a blowhard St. Johns fan of that when they start puffing out their chest. Even with those fertile recruiting grounds, they've never won a NC. Let's be honest, they aren't Duke, even though they try to act like it.

This is the stupidest argument. If the Sec schools were in Montana/Wyoming/Idaho/ the Dakota's they wouldn't be the premier FB conference. But guess what numb nuts, they are! Also St. John's is the largest catholic school in the country. They don't have 2000 students.

(12-11-2012 11:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Both are train wrecks. C-USA is a slightly more cohesive train wreck

Only because the new additions hold a majority. But that regional expansion (the expansion, not the particular schools added) split that league politically.

The Atlantic 10 has discussed the possibility of a 21-team basketball league in the event that the changing conference landscape makes high-profile Big East schools available, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com Tuesday.
The A-10 has been proactive over the last year, strengthening its brand as a high-profile basketball conference with the additions of Butler and VCU, two programs that were in the 2011 Final Four.
The A-10 currently is a 16-team conference for the 2012-13 season, but Temple and Charlotte are set to leave for the Big East and Conference USA, respectively.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...l-schools/

(12-11-2012 03:09 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:51 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:49 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:42 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  SJ has fine reputation...anyone that does not know that is simply ignorant. You don't need to respond to ignorance.

So now we're name calling?

Nope...Just stating a fact. If the shoe fits?..well.

I normally wouldn't take the time to respond to garbage like this, but since you insist on baiting me, why not?

If you're going to take issue with something I said, and call me ignorant, at least take the time to read what I wrote and understand it. Just so you're clear, there were two assertions in my post: (i) St. Johns has trouble making the tournament; and, (ii) St. Johns would be a mid-major if it weren't for its geography.

The first assertion is backed up by the fact that St. Johns has made the tournament twice in the last ten years. Quite frankly, there's no disputing the first assertion. If you don't understand it, well, you're just ignorant.

The second assertion is backed up by a multitude of factors. St. Johns sits in the prized recruiting grounds of the Big East, and that's what keeps it from being a mid-major. Why a mid-major? Well, it's a Catholic University, something it shares in common with other mid-majors such as Xavier, Dayton, and Creighton. It also has a relatively small enrollment, especially when compared to larger state based institutions that are not in the mid-major category. It also does not have a football program, another common characteristic amongst mid-major basketball schools. I think that's enough to support my assertion. What facts do you have going the other way?

Just so we're also clear, your response had nothing to do with the two assertion I made, and you haven't offered a single thing to refute them. Instead, you responded with a personal attack and an all together different point: that "St. Johns has fine reputation." If I can understand your East Carolina caveman speak, I think you're saying that St. Johns is well regarded as a basketball program. Great point. When did I say otherwise?

If you're referring to my mid-major comment, then you just don't understand college basketball. There's nothing pejorative about calling a school mid-major, nor does it mean that a program doesn't have a great reputation. Xavier is one of the most consistently successful bball programs in the country, yet they are a mid-major. Butler has been a basketball powerhouse in recent years as a mid-major. George Mason has really made a name on a national level as a mid-major. I really cannot understand how you could equate mid-major with not highly thought of. Of course, I'm pretty sure the point of your post was to take a personal jab, not address anything with substance.

Like you say, if the shoe fits, right?

It's the largest catholic school in the country.

Three cheers for fact based arguments. I think that's certainly a possibility; however, an enrollment of 15k+ hasn't done a thing to propel SLU or Loyola (Chicago) out of the mid-major ranks.

Honestly, the best argument against St. John's as a would be mid-major is Fordham. Fordham has the NYC market, but hasn't done a thing with it.

(12-11-2012 03:33 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:09 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:51 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:49 PM)MickMack Wrote:  So now we're name calling?

Nope...Just stating a fact. If the shoe fits?..well.

I normally wouldn't take the time to respond to garbage like this, but since you insist on baiting me, why not?

If you're going to take issue with something I said, and call me ignorant, at least take the time to read what I wrote and understand it. Just so you're clear, there were two assertions in my post: (i) St. Johns has trouble making the tournament; and, (ii) St. Johns would be a mid-major if it weren't for its geography.

The first assertion is backed up by the fact that St. Johns has made the tournament twice in the last ten years. Quite frankly, there's no disputing the first assertion. If you don't understand it, well, you're just ignorant.

The second assertion is backed up by a multitude of factors. St. Johns sits in the prized recruiting grounds of the Big East, and that's what keeps it from being a mid-major. Why a mid-major? Well, it's a Catholic University, something it shares in common with other mid-majors such as Xavier, Dayton, and Creighton. It also has a relatively small enrollment, especially when compared to larger state based institutions that are not in the mid-major category. It also does not have a football program, another common characteristic amongst mid-major basketball schools. I think that's enough to support my assertion. What facts do you have going the other way?

Just so we're also clear, your response had nothing to do with the two assertion I made, and you haven't offered a single thing to refute them. Instead, you responded with a personal attack and an all together different point: that "St. Johns has fine reputation." If I can understand your East Carolina caveman speak, I think you're saying that St. Johns is well regarded as a basketball program. Great point. When did I say otherwise?

If you're referring to my mid-major comment, then you just don't understand college basketball. There's nothing pejorative about calling a school mid-major, nor does it mean that a program doesn't have a great reputation. Xavier is one of the most consistently successful bball programs in the country, yet they are a mid-major. Butler has been a basketball powerhouse in recent years as a mid-major. George Mason has really made a name on a national level as a mid-major. I really cannot understand how you could equate mid-major with not highly thought of. Of course, I'm pretty sure the point of your post was to take a personal jab, not address anything with substance.

Like you say, if the shoe fits, right?

It's the largest catholic school in the country.

Three cheers for fact based arguments. I think that's certainly a possibility; however, an enrollment of 15k+ hasn't done a thing to propel SLU or Loyola (Chicago) out of the mid-major ranks.

Honestly, the best argument against St. John's as a would be mid-major is Fordham. Fordham has the NYC market, but hasn't done a thing with it.

Try 20+. UCF has the largest enrollment, why aren't they winning titles like Bama? UAB is also in that state, why aren't they winning titles and bring as popular as the crimson tide?

Making those comparisons is not any indication. Every school is different.

(12-11-2012 03:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:12 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:00 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:44 PM)MickMack Wrote:  For the last time, before you talk about how bad my argument is, read the argument. I said that if St. Johns wasn't situated in in the middle of the biggest recruiting area in the country, they would be a mid-major....

Poor argument. Please just stop. Because if the city of Cincinnati wasn't on the Ohio River, and was instead in Alaska, it would be no bigger than Nome. So just be lucky Cincinnati is on the Ohio River.

Nope it's a salient argument. Without NYC, St. Johns would be Providence. I think it's fair to remind a blowhard St. Johns fan of that when they start puffing out their chest. Even with those fertile recruiting grounds, they've never won a NC. Let's be honest, they aren't Duke, even though they try to act like it.

This is the stupidest argument. If the Sec schools were in Montana/Wyoming/Idaho/ the Dakota's they wouldn't be the premier FB conference. But guess what numb nuts, they are! Also St. John's is the largest catholic school in the country. They don't have 2000 students.

So angry. Is it because everyone else poaches top recruits right out of your back yard, or is it because you can't do anything with the ones you keep?

Damn, MickMac is angry!

(12-11-2012 03:39 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:12 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:00 PM)billyjack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:44 PM)MickMack Wrote:  For the last time, before you talk about how bad my argument is, read the argument. I said that if St. Johns wasn't situated in in the middle of the biggest recruiting area in the country, they would be a mid-major....

Poor argument. Please just stop. Because if the city of Cincinnati wasn't on the Ohio River, and was instead in Alaska, it would be no bigger than Nome. So just be lucky Cincinnati is on the Ohio River.

Nope it's a salient argument. Without NYC, St. Johns would be Providence. I think it's fair to remind a blowhard St. Johns fan of that when they start puffing out their chest. Even with those fertile recruiting grounds, they've never won a NC. Let's be honest, they aren't Duke, even though they try to act like it.

This is the stupidest argument. If the Sec schools were in Montana/Wyoming/Idaho/ the Dakota's they wouldn't be the premier FB conference. But guess what numb nuts, they are! Also St. John's is the largest catholic school in the country. They don't have 2000 students.

So angry. Is it because everyone else poaches top recruits right out of your back yard, or is it because you can't do anything with the ones you keep?

And yet we beat you guys.

(12-11-2012 01:13 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:51 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:49 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:42 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Try top ten all time wins junior. Not that long ago we were a #2 seed in the nvaa tourny and a win over duke @ Cameron. If you didn't know we're still the only OOC team to beat them at home in 30 years.

SJ has fine reputation...anyone that does not know that is simply ignorant. You don't need to respond to ignorance.

So now we're name calling?

Nope...Just stating a fact. If the shoe fits?..well.

I normally wouldn't take the time to respond to garbage like this, but since you insist on baiting me, why not?

If you're going to take issue with something I said, and call me ignorant, at least take the time to read what I wrote and understand it. Just so you're clear, there were two assertions in my post: (i) St. Johns has trouble making the tournament; and, (ii) St. Johns would be a mid-major if it weren't for its geography.

The first assertion is backed up by the fact that St. Johns has made the tournament twice in the last ten years. Quite frankly, there's no disputing the first assertion. If you don't understand it, well, you're just ignorant.

The second assertion is backed up by a multitude of factors. St. Johns sits in the prized recruiting grounds of the Big East, and that's what keeps it from being a mid-major. Why a mid-major? Well, it's a Catholic University, something it shares in common with other mid-majors such as Xavier, Dayton, and Creighton. It also has a relatively small enrollment, especially when compared to larger state based institutions that are not in the mid-major category. It also does not have a football program, another common characteristic amongst mid-major basketball schools. I think that's enough to support my assertion. What facts do you have going the other way?

Just so we're also clear, your response had nothing to do with the two assertion I made, and you haven't offered a single thing to refute them. Instead, you responded with a personal attack and an all together different point: that "St. Johns has fine reputation." If I can understand your East Carolina caveman speak, I think you're saying that St. Johns is well regarded as a basketball program. Great point. When did I say otherwise?

If you're referring to my mid-major comment, then you just don't understand college basketball. There's nothing pejorative about calling a school mid-major, nor does it mean that a program doesn't have a great reputation. Xavier is one of the most consistently successful bball programs in the country, yet they are a mid-major. Butler has been a basketball powerhouse in recent years as a mid-major. George Mason has really made a name on a national level as a mid-major. I really cannot understand how you could equate mid-major with not highly thought of. Of course, I'm pretty sure the point of your post was to take a personal jab, not address anything with substance.

Like you say, if the shoe fits, right?

Sounds as if you may be a tad too tightly wound my friend. If you agree that St. Johns is fine program...then why did you even bother to respond? I wasn't talking about you. All the rest of this was a waste of your time. I apologize if I offended you.