(12-11-2012 02:50 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:36 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  The Bowl money that's split between ACC team's should add A couple more million A year.

Just wait until the league starts to build in the Ncaa tourney credits to add onto that payout and the bowl money.

Yes it all adds up. with the team's that will be in the ACC then. Good year's it could add 1/2 mil too a million per team payout. Getting A invite to the Ncaa Pay's . The further A team goes the more it makes.

You are actually low on this. Big East has about 115 units, which is about 29 million bucks per year. That'd be closer to 1.5-2 million per school quite frankly.... Also, it's more on consitency- it's a 6 year rolling figure- so like take Duke last year, they lost to Lehigh. This year, instead of getting only 1 unit from Duke(just from last year), you get 15 units from Duke.

(12-11-2012 02:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:36 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  The Bowl money that's split between ACC team's should add A couple more million A year.

Just wait until the league starts to build in the Ncaa tourney credits to add onto that payout and the bowl money. I'm wondering if the Tourney credits that the Acc will pull in with Cuse, L'ille, ND and Pitt will bring will bring earnings in line with say, the Pac 10. And when will the Acc start getting credit for the new schools credits?

I'm not really sure of the amount per team earned. Say like the 2009 season in the Big East when there was 5 team's in the E8 & two in the F4. That was some decent money. I don't think it will get the ACC close to PAC earnings. if the ACC get's 19 Million A year,plus bowl earning's & NCAA earning's it may be enough to keep the football schools happy.

(12-11-2012 03:07 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:36 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  The Bowl money that's split between ACC team's should add A couple more million A year.

Just wait until the league starts to build in the Ncaa tourney credits to add onto that payout and the bowl money. I'm wondering if the Tourney credits that the Acc will pull in with Cuse, L'ille, ND and Pitt will bring will bring earnings in line with say, the Pac 10. And when will the Acc start getting credit for the new schools credits?

I'm not really sure of the amount per team earned. Say like the 2009 season in the Big East when there was 5 team's in the E8 & two in the F4. That was some decent money. I don't think it will get the ACC close to PAC earnings. if the ACC get's 19 Million A year,plus bowl earning's & NCAA earning's it may be enough to keep the football schools happy.

um, if ACC is up to 19 million in tv money, they will either be very close or pass the P12. At least in years where the OB doesn't take SEC or B10 teams.

(12-11-2012 03:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:50 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:36 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  The Bowl money that's split between ACC team's should add A couple more million A year.

Just wait until the league starts to build in the Ncaa tourney credits to add onto that payout and the bowl money.

Yes it all adds up. with the team's that will be in the ACC then. Good year's it could add 1/2 mil too a million per team payout. Getting A invite to the Ncaa Pay's . The further A team goes the more it makes.

You are actually low on this. Big East has about 115 units, which is about 29 million bucks per year. That'd be closer to 1.5-2 million per school quite frankly.... Also, it's more on consitency- it's a 6 year rolling figure- so like take Duke last year, they lost to Lehigh. This year, instead of getting only 1 unit from Duke(just from last year), you get 15 units from Duke.

Is there A chart or article I can read, to help me understand units used in the NCAA ?

I thought the Pac 12 was the highest paid conference. 24 to 26 million a year.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2012/...h-madness/

(12-11-2012 03:14 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:50 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:40 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:36 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  The Bowl money that's split between ACC team's should add A couple more million A year.

Just wait until the league starts to build in the Ncaa tourney credits to add onto that payout and the bowl money.

Yes it all adds up. with the team's that will be in the ACC then. Good year's it could add 1/2 mil too a million per team payout. Getting A invite to the Ncaa Pay's . The further A team goes the more it makes.

You are actually low on this. Big East has about 115 units, which is about 29 million bucks per year. That'd be closer to 1.5-2 million per school quite frankly.... Also, it's more on consitency- it's a 6 year rolling figure- so like take Duke last year, they lost to Lehigh. This year, instead of getting only 1 unit from Duke(just from last year), you get 15 units from Duke.

Is there A chart or article I can read, to help me understand units used in the NCAA ?

basically to put it as simple as possible....
Every game a team plays in the NCAA tourney(up to a max 5) is a unit. So, like last year, Kentucky got 5 units. Duke got 1 unit. Louisville got 5 units. These units go to the conference you are in the season the units are earned.
The units are paid then over the next 6 years. Right now, each unit is worth about 250,000. So 2013 would be the 2007-2012 season tournaments.
If a conference is dissolved, the units revert back to the schools that earned them.
If a school leaves a conference, their units stick with their old conference(so like in 2013, the Big East will be paid for WV 2007-2012)

(12-11-2012 03:17 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  I thought the Pac 12 was the highest paid conference. 24 to 26 million a year.

I don't think so. TV is "only" about 21 mil per school.. They're way behind on the hoops money too....

ACC will be neck & neck w/ Pac-12 and Big-12, but behind SEC & B1G.
Keep in mind, too, that the Contract Bowls only pay 2 out of 3 years - the other 1 year when it is a semi-final those teams will be getting Access bowl money (which I assume is the same for everyone?). So the ACC doesn't need to make up $40-$27.5 = $12.5M, but only 2/3 of that = $8.3, which it can certainly do through basketball money alone.

(12-11-2012 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:17 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  I thought the Pac 12 was the highest paid conference. 24 to 26 million a year.

I don't think so. TV is "only" about 21 mil per school.. They're way behind on the hoops money too....

yes if that's all they make per TV money. I'd say the ACC will end up earning more then the PAC 12. Basketball should help carry the ACC. The Pac is weak in basketball.

Thank's Stever . i got my head wrapped around the unit deal with the NCAA.

(12-11-2012 03:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ACC will be neck & neck w/ Pac-12 and Big-12, but behind SEC & B1G.
Keep in mind, too, that the Contract Bowls only pay 2 out of 3 years - the other 1 year when it is a semi-final those teams will be getting Access bowl money (which I assume is the same for everyone?). So the ACC doesn't need to make up $40-$27.5 = $12.5M, but only 2/3 of that = $8.3, which it can certainly do through basketball money alone.

I thought that was the case, but the article today made it seem as if the money is guaranteed each year. That could be great for the ACC- they might in the years the OB is hosting a sf get 40 million dollars- if you know what I mean.....

(12-11-2012 03:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ACC will be neck & neck w/ Pac-12 and Big-12, but behind SEC & B1G.
Keep in mind, too, that the Contract Bowls only pay 2 out of 3 years - the other 1 year when it is a semi-final those teams will be getting Access bowl money (which I assume is the same for everyone?). So the ACC doesn't need to make up $40-$27.5 = $12.5M, but only 2/3 of that = $8.3, which it can certainly do through basketball money alone.

Will this be enough to keep Florida ST Clemson & GT happy ?

(12-11-2012 01:57 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:55 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:53 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 01:38 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Puts us much closer to the SBC.

Are you saying it puts the ACC closer to the Sun Belt Conference? I'm misunderstanding something...

He is talking about the B12....don't ask ...

Ok thanks I didn't understand. I thought he was talking about the ACC.

SBC = Short Bus Conference, because the academics are really, really bad.

(12-11-2012 03:25 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:17 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  I thought the Pac 12 was the highest paid conference. 24 to 26 million a year.

I don't think so. TV is "only" about 21 mil per school.. They're way behind on the hoops money too....

yes if that's all they make per TV money. I'd say the ACC will end up earning more then the PAC 12. Basketball should help carry the ACC. The Pac is weak in basketball.

yep. P12 remember their champ last year didn't even make the NCAA tourney.

(12-11-2012 03:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ACC will be neck & neck w/ Pac-12 and Big-12, but behind SEC & B1G.
Keep in mind, too, that the Contract Bowls only pay 2 out of 3 years - the other 1 year when it is a semi-final those teams will be getting Access bowl money (which I assume is the same for everyone?). So the ACC doesn't need to make up $40-$27.5 = $12.5M, but only 2/3 of that = $8.3, which it can certainly do through basketball money alone.

CORRECTION: As long as the Big XII remains at 10 teams, they will be ahead of the ACC and near to the SEC and B1G by virtue of fewer mouths to feed. However, if they do ever expand, that could change.

(12-11-2012 03:28 PM)Cardsfan1974 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ACC will be neck & neck w/ Pac-12 and Big-12, but behind SEC & B1G.
Keep in mind, too, that the Contract Bowls only pay 2 out of 3 years - the other 1 year when it is a semi-final those teams will be getting Access bowl money (which I assume is the same for everyone?). So the ACC doesn't need to make up $40-$27.5 = $12.5M, but only 2/3 of that = $8.3, which it can certainly do through basketball money alone.

Will this be enough to keep Florida ST Clemson & GT happy ?

No.
As long as U of Florida and U of S Carolina makes $0.25 more than FSU & Clemson, they will NOT be happy. They may stay in the ACC, but they won't be happy.

(12-11-2012 03:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 03:21 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ACC will be neck & neck w/ Pac-12 and Big-12, but behind SEC & B1G.
Keep in mind, too, that the Contract Bowls only pay 2 out of 3 years - the other 1 year when it is a semi-final those teams will be getting Access bowl money (which I assume is the same for everyone?). So the ACC doesn't need to make up $40-$27.5 = $12.5M, but only 2/3 of that = $8.3, which it can certainly do through basketball money alone.

CORRECTION: As long as the Big XII remains at 10 teams, they will be ahead of the ACC and near to the SEC and B1G by virtue of fewer mouths to feed. However, if they do ever expand, that could change.

That's why they don't want 11 or 12 unless it's A big time FB program. It will make their peace of the pie smaller.

(12-11-2012 02:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  19 million isn't too bad... One thing I would say is all we have left now for TV negotiatons is Big Ten and SEC redoing their contract. 19 million might look really small when those 2 are done if you know what I mean.....

My only question(as should be yours)- is there any extension involved? If not, great. If so, that'd be a pretty bad thing I'd say....

Well, there is also ND renewing its NBC contract soon.....

(12-11-2012 03:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  19 million isn't too bad... One thing I would say is all we have left now for TV negotiatons is Big Ten and SEC redoing their contract. 19 million might look really small when those 2 are done if you know what I mean.....

My only question(as should be yours)- is there any extension involved? If not, great. If so, that'd be a pretty bad thing I'd say....

Well, there is also ND renewing its NBC contract soon.....

good point. Big Ten/SEC though much more important in a lot of ways- as those 2 drive the college sports race right now.