(12-21-2012 06:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  This all makes perfect sense.

BE is in the process of getting UNLV and Fresno. If both are gone, New Mexico and CSU are stuck in an even crappier conference. The fact these 2 are even trying to start something tells me whatever MWC is working on isn't working.

Meanwhile, Aresco is trying to get all those schools on the same page to get a good TV deal. Since BE already got everything set and a BCS bid for next year, I expect Aresco to win this battle in the end.

Great post. Reading the Dodds article, sounds like TV isn't going well at all for the MWC. However, the BCS bid next year in a lot of ways doesn't mean anything. If Boise has a good year in the MWC- they would finish in position for making it anyways.

(12-21-2012 06:36 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  If BYU, SDSU, Houston, SMU, Memphis, and Air Force were trying to form a new a conference with Boise State but New Mexico and CSU are down on the list of power brokers at this point. Right now the most powerful schools in this process are Cincy, UConn, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Houston, and Memphis. If Cincy or UConn bail the Mountain West wins or a new western based league forms. If Boise State bails then the rest of the eastern block has to figure out what way to go.

Disagree. New Mexico and CSU have history with BYU from MWC days. They easily could be power brokers in they could get BYU with a new TV deal. Between them, BYU, and Boise/SDSU- that's 5 teams right there.

(12-21-2012 06:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:27 PM)Bull Wrote:  If BYU rejoins the MWC, I'll eat my hat!

it's not rejoining, it's creating a new MWC....

I wonder if ESPN expressed interest- it would have Boise and BYU, 2 of their favorites. And Air Force for that matter.

I can easily see ESPN using its connection with BYU to get BSU to come along and form a new league to fill up all of its open TV slots. Then they get the best of the rest in the West: Air Force, SDSU, SMU, Houston, UNLV, Fresno, maybe UNLV, New Mexico and even Gonzaga to strengthen basketball. Half of those teams would not have to worry about an auto bid to the tourny and several bowls would sign up in a hearbeat including the Vegas, the Poinsettia, and the Famous Potato.

Two points the MWC tv contract sucks and that puts them behind the eight ball. New Mexico and Colorado State are not huge tv markets so doubt they could get a better deal than the Big East can get.

My take both of these schools know that the BE could be taking two or three more from MWC and knw they are not the ones being targeted and are trying to save their hides.

(12-21-2012 06:05 PM)dakar1 Wrote:  if there's anything to this, then the TV networks are picking the schools.

And they want UNM and CSU? I don't think so, but who knows.

(12-21-2012 06:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:36 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  If BYU, SDSU, Houston, SMU, Memphis, and Air Force were trying to form a new a conference with Boise State but New Mexico and CSU are down on the list of power brokers at this point. Right now the most powerful schools in this process are Cincy, UConn, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Houston, and Memphis. If Cincy or UConn bail the Mountain West wins or a new western based league forms. If Boise State bails then the rest of the eastern block has to figure out what way to go.

Disagree. New Mexico and CSU have history with BYU from MWC days. They easily could be power brokers in they could get BYU with a new TV deal. Between them, BYU, and Boise/SDSU- that's 5 teams right there.

If CSU/New Mexico had any pull, then they would have used it way before know. This whole time, there has been talk of a Western expansion and they are never mentioned.

(12-21-2012 06:40 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:36 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  If BYU, SDSU, Houston, SMU, Memphis, and Air Force were trying to form a new a conference with Boise State but New Mexico and CSU are down on the list of power brokers at this point. Right now the most powerful schools in this process are Cincy, UConn, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Houston, and Memphis. If Cincy or UConn bail the Mountain West wins or a new western based league forms. If Boise State bails then the rest of the eastern block has to figure out what way to go.

Disagree. New Mexico and CSU have history with BYU from MWC days. They easily could be power brokers in they could get BYU with a new TV deal. Between them, BYU, and Boise/SDSU- that's 5 teams right there.

If CSU/New Mexico had any pull, then they would have used it way before know. This whole time, there has been talk of a Western expansion and they are never mentioned.

It's possible 2 things-
1- the G5 spot for BYU means more than they've let on.
2- BYU really concerned about Gonzaga/St Mary's leaving, so they contacted them.

This is ridiculous. NM and CSU have absolutely zero clout. They aren't heading up anything. Anyone who thinks New Mexico or cSU can form anything, well, I have some land to sell you.

(12-21-2012 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This is ridiculous. NM and CSU have absolutely zero clout. They aren't heading up anything. Anyone who thinks New Mexico or cSU can form anything, well, I have some land to sell you.

the thing that has to be a concern, Boise, BYU, SDSU, UNM, and CSU- is already 5/8(or 9) of the way to form a conference. You have just in that group of 5 4 NCAA tourney teams from last year.

(12-21-2012 06:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This is ridiculous. NM and CSU have absolutely zero clout. They aren't heading up anything. Anyone who thinks New Mexico or cSU can form anything, well, I have some land to sell you.

the thing that has to be a concern, Boise, BYU, SDSU, UNM, and CSU- is already 5/8(or 9) of the way to form a conference. You have just in that group of 5 4 NCAA tourney teams from last year.

Why would BYU,SDSU and Boise have to join those two to be in a conference? Heck BYU could join SDSU and Boise right now in Big East and pretty much choose the other two or three schools and I have a feeling CSU and NM wouldn't be in those three choices.

If Boise/BYU want to form a conf. they will form one. But to suggest that CSU and NM are forming it, heading it up, or spearheading it is laughable at best.

(12-21-2012 06:15 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  This is CBSSports taking a page from the ESPN playbook . . . when the Big East starts courting Fresno State and UNLV . . . CBSSports goes on the tweet attack to create as much turmoil as possible and hold onto its properties. . . if CBSSports loses Boise State, SDSU, Fresno State, and UNLV, the MWC goes in the tank . . . CBSSports has to go on the offensive . . .

Not sure how this article helps CBS. It just sends all the MW schools rushing for an exit.

(12-21-2012 06:52 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This is ridiculous. NM and CSU have absolutely zero clout. They aren't heading up anything. Anyone who thinks New Mexico or cSU can form anything, well, I have some land to sell you.

the thing that has to be a concern, Boise, BYU, SDSU, UNM, and CSU- is already 5/8(or 9) of the way to form a conference. You have just in that group of 5 4 NCAA tourney teams from last year.

Why would BYU,SDSU and Boise have to join those two to be in a conference? Heck BYU could join SDSU and Boise right now in Big East and pretty much choose the other two or three schools and I have a feeling CSU and NM wouldn't be in those three choices.

haha....exactly

(12-21-2012 06:52 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This is ridiculous. NM and CSU have absolutely zero clout. They aren't heading up anything. Anyone who thinks New Mexico or cSU can form anything, well, I have some land to sell you.

the thing that has to be a concern, Boise, BYU, SDSU, UNM, and CSU- is already 5/8(or 9) of the way to form a conference. You have just in that group of 5 4 NCAA tourney teams from last year.

Why would BYU,SDSU and Boise have to join those two to be in a conference? Heck BYU could join SDSU and Boise right now in Big East and pretty much choose the other two or three schools and I have a feeling CSU and NM wouldn't be in those three choices.

Well for one, they would have control over everything at that point. Instead of having schools like Tulane, Memphis, UCF, USF, ECU- they'd have more regional options.

UNM and CSU see that they are getting left out, and all this is is them grasping at straws.

(12-21-2012 07:16 PM)Kronke Wrote:  UNM and CSU see that they are getting left out, and all this is is them grasping at straws.

Yeah, but if they could talk to BYU, that's a HUGE wild card.

Brian Murphy‏@murphsturph
Before Boise State joined Big East, it commissioned a study on its options. Forming own league was No. 2 option behind joining Big East

(12-21-2012 07:19 PM)kellenmartin Wrote:  Brian Murphy‏@murphsturph
Before Boise State joined Big East, it commissioned a study on its options. Forming own league was No. 2 option behind joining Big East

yeah, I really think there was a fair amount of bad blood between Boise and the MWC. That's why this (despite UNM and CSU being really non power brokers)- doesn't automatically mean fail to me.

The one thing that would be very interesting about this- if it comes about, what happens for 2013?

Seriously, the title makes me doubt the validity of this. I can believe that Boise and BYU are talking, but I can't believe that CSU and NM are brokering anything.

(12-21-2012 06:52 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This is ridiculous. NM and CSU have absolutely zero clout. They aren't heading up anything. Anyone who thinks New Mexico or cSU can form anything, well, I have some land to sell you.

the thing that has to be a concern, Boise, BYU, SDSU, UNM, and CSU- is already 5/8(or 9) of the way to form a conference. You have just in that group of 5 4 NCAA tourney teams from last year.

Why would BYU,SDSU and Boise have to join those two to be in a conference? Heck BYU could join SDSU and Boise right now in Big East and pretty much choose the other two or three schools and I have a feeling CSU and NM wouldn't be in those three choices.

Maybe because those three far west schools have little inherent interest in competing against cross-country schools they have no history with, such as Temple, Uconn, USF, or ECU?

Sure, money can overrule such scruples and when it looked like the Big East football schools were going to get $10m that was enough money, but now that the media money looks to be more like $4 or $5 million, they are thinking twice.