(12-22-2012 12:41 AM)Steve509 Wrote:  I think it is just CBS granting some concession after shutting down the Mtn Network. I doubt it's big money. CBS knows it has a good deal with what they pay the MW and have them locked up until 2016. They can wait at least a year to offer a better deal and avoid any other network to start out bidding them.

What the MW has that the BE doesn't is only one other conference in the time zone. I don't know how much of an advantage that is, but for networks looking for western programing, other than the Pac, the MW is the only game in town.

The MW commish played it right by not adding a bunch of teams like CUSA did. He's got options that CUSA doesn't have. And if the worst happened and the MW lost a team or two, they were fine when they had fewer than 10 teams and could do it again. And there's always UTEP, Tulsa and in an emergency, Idaho or New Mexico St that would join.

point being that the MWC has a new TV deal with CBS for a limited number of games they get to pick first on. Lets say the 1.2 million is still correct for those games. I hear 10 CBS games for 10 teams, 12 CBS games for 12 teams etc. we don't know this game selection criteria and all the details yet. Then all the games not picked can be sold or schools can come up with their own deals with 2 other networks (one is ESPN)

According to a couple of sources Boise and BYU can almost have a separate TV deal with ESPN for their home games while CBS can pick their road games up In addition to the MWC TV deal for CBS rights. That is pretty powerful offer and was designed to specifically target BYU and Boise as they have the best market value and can attract ESPN. The other MWC members while having he same rights in the contract will settle for regional TV channels like Root Sports or a new digital channel the MWC is launching

going to be an interesting couple of weeks

Yeah, CUSA royally ****** up adding all that dead weight. I just hope we (USF, UCF, ECU, Temple, Mempis and whoever we end up with) can put together some sort of semi-legitimate TV deal for us. I can't hate on Boise though. If they're really able to cut a deal with ESPN like that they essentially have written their own ticket. Pretty amazing for a program that just moved into D1A in the mid 90's. I don't know WTF ECU has been doing all that time. We've be ******* up I guess.

Looks like this new MWC deal isn't all that afterall...

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/201212...ck_check=1

Payout drops to what amounts to 400k/per @10 teams for tier one rights.

(12-22-2012 01:49 AM)k5james Wrote:  Looks like this new MWC deal isn't all that afterall...

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/201212...ck_check=1

2nd time they have reported 400k vs 800k previously reported.

I have concerns with the Dodd article and the conspicuous lack of sports contract deals we have all become fluent in - 1st, 2nd, 3rd tier. The deal this year is:
CBS picks games
Spins off games to NBC cable
Spins off more games to Root and Time Warner (Lakers) Channel.

THe lack of details differentiating this deal from that make me wonder. Failing to use the terms 2nd and 3rd tier and not making it explicit who will make the money from selling those games and who gets to sell them is troubling here. But, it could just be the lack of 'rittin' skills Dodd has or my own bias.

(12-22-2012 01:49 AM)k5james Wrote:  Looks like this new MWC deal isn't all that afterall...

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/201212...ck_check=1

Payout drops to what amounts to 400k/per @10 teams for tier one rights.

numbers are referring to the short term deal for this year and not the new renegotiated contract. Thus the word NOW receive. the new deal is for next year

(12-22-2012 02:02 AM)billings Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 01:49 AM)k5james Wrote:  Looks like this new MWC deal isn't all that afterall...

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/201212...ck_check=1

Payout drops to what amounts to 400k/per @10 teams for tier one rights.

numbers are referring to the short term deal for this year and not the new renegotiated contract. Thus the word NOW receive. the new deal is for next year

that can't be opened until there is a change in membership. I'm not saying the money isn't there, I'm just saying Dodd specifically is such a poor writer and seems to be illiterate in the tv deal nomenclature, that we really have zero idea what is actually going on outside of his happy tone, which might say it will be in fact a good deal.

(12-22-2012 02:05 AM)monty Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 02:02 AM)billings Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 01:49 AM)k5james Wrote:  Looks like this new MWC deal isn't all that afterall...

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/201212...ck_check=1

Payout drops to what amounts to 400k/per @10 teams for tier one rights.

numbers are referring to the short term deal for this year and not the new renegotiated contract. Thus the word NOW receive. the new deal is for next year

that can't be opened until there is a change in membership. I'm not saying the money isn't there, I'm just saying Dodd specifically is such a poor writer and seems to be illiterate in the tv deal nomenclature, that we really have zero idea what is actually going on outside of his happy tone, which might say it will be in fact a good deal.

Agree the DODD article is poorly written. A couple of things we know and yes it was opened with the death of the mtn

CBS is again paying the MWC 12 million for 10 teams for the next three years after one year of $400K - $800K bridge TV deal. IN addition, the MWC teams can sell the remaining games on the aftermarket that CBS did not pick up. the MWC just kept their payout flat at 1.2 million per team but was also allowed to put 50% - 75% of their content onto the open market for bid. That is not bad and was designed specifically for BYU and Boise to allow them to add or keep their own ESPN contracts


from the Vegas Paper
"CBS retains top priority in televising games, but will allow the conference to sell some games to other networks and the Mountain West to receive additional revenue. CBS pays the Mountain West $12 million per season, and the deal lasts through the 2015-16 academic year."

Las Vegas Journal has it all up but can't link it here go to sports headlines

go to www lvrj com / sports

yes the 1.2 million is also open to be renegotiated with the additions of new members and we have no clue what "top priority means yet"

I think we still need to know do the conferences own those packages out right, does cbs have a part still, do the teams own any of it, etc. in short: I think we need a true compare/contrast to the way the games have been sold off before and how they will be in the future.

(12-22-2012 02:14 AM)monty Wrote:  I think we still need to know do the conferences own those packages out right, does cbs have a part still, do the teams own any of it, etc. in short: I think we need a true compare/contrast to the way the games have been sold off before and how they will be in the future.

agree the picture is very fuzzy but at a Wyo basketball game the AD said that the MWC had been in contact with Boise almost daily over the last few weeks. I suspect is was over wording in this contract. Thompson is in Boise tonight and the cards are all on the table. Hopefully soon we see where they land or I suspect the MWC will invite UTEP and Tulsa very shortly

(12-22-2012 02:23 AM)billings Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 02:14 AM)monty Wrote:  I think we still need to know do the conferences own those packages out right, does cbs have a part still, do the teams own any of it, etc. in short: I think we need a true compare/contrast to the way the games have been sold off before and how they will be in the future.

agree the picture is very fuzzy but at a Wyo basketball game the AD said that the MWC had been in contact with Boise almost daily over the last few weeks. I suspect is was over wording in this contract. Thompson is in Boise tonight and the cards are all on the table. Hopefully soon we see where they land or I suspect the MWC will invite UTEP and Tulsa very shortly

Yup, I'd say we're back to the 11th hour we were at a while back and the big east is severely weakened and the mwc has gained ground via this negotiation (and anything hidden, such as potential uneven distribution or separate BOise deal). When a real reporter says it would be shocking if boise didn't go to the mwc, I expect that is in fact the case. The Hair might have finally done something, that it took 14 years and however long he was doing the merger that made the sun belt doesn't matter, he seems to have legitimately done right for his schools.

(12-21-2012 10:07 PM)Mtown_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:04 PM)PEO16 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:02 PM)Mtown_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 09:56 PM)PEO16 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 09:53 PM)Mtown_Tiger Wrote:  "mountain west has reached out to one non-western Big East school" http://m.si.com/627787/whats-next-for-catholic-7-big-east/

Hmm, that sounds like it could be Memphis. Tulane is Western division. Still far, but right on Miss River and Memphis is the closest that could work for the MWC.

Houston.
There aren't any divisions yet. Houston's not western.

Yes there is too. Aresco had already announced it prior to Louisville leaving. Then when Tulane was picked they were announced for the west division. The East already has 7 members: Cincy, UConn, Temple, ECU, Memphis, UCF, and USF.

The West so far has: Boise State, SDSU, Houston, SMU and Tulane.

Thanks. I didn't know that.
But I still bet it's Houston.

How can it be Houston if they are WEST? It clearly said a NON-WEST DIVISION MEMBER. Nobody fits that description and is closest geographically than Memphis. Just to put this out there, our AD Tom Bowen was supposed to address the Big East situation this past Monday. He has yet to address the issue. Where there's smoke there's usually a fire.

It's Houston.

Reports also indicate the Mountain West is looking to expand and it could target Houston, another school bound for the Big East.

http://www.courant.com/sports/hc-big-eas...9172.story

Hope my school is working hard behind the scenes so they can stab everyone in the back too, don't want to miss out on the opportunity before there isn't anyone left to betray.

(12-22-2012 02:38 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  Hope my school is working hard behind the scenes so they can stab everyone in the back too, don't want to miss out on the opportunity before there isn't anyone left to betray.

To paraphrase an old baseball manager - if you ain't stabbing, you ain't trying