Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

(12-22-2012 12:31 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 12:31 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 12:31 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

(12-22-2012 09:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 12:31 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not our football program is worth money, but I'd say that the fact that I team from Boise, Idaho is in the Big East speaks a little bit to that. The only way this restructuring deal would have any effect on us is if it allowed us to make millions more than their current payout, $3-5 would be my guess.

Personally I have strong negative feelings towards Craig Thompson, Utah State (via their president), and the fact that SJSU was added. I would rather play with all sports as a western member of a western division of the Big East or build a new league without bottom feeders.

Our leadership has always maintained that this was about money and exposure. Wherever the best money and exposure is, will be where we end up.

(12-22-2012 09:35 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 12:31 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not our football program is worth money, but I'd say that the fact that I team from Boise, Idaho is in the Big East speaks a little bit to that. The only way this restructuring deal would have any effect on us is if it allowed us to make millions more than their current payout, $3-5 would be my guess.

Personally I have strong negative feelings towards Craig Thompson, Utah State (via their president), and the fact that SJSU was added. I would rather play with all sports as a western member of a western division of the Big East or build a new league without bottom feeders.

Our leadership has always maintained that this was about money and exposure. Wherever the best money and exposure is, will be where we end up.

Does boise st think its getting byu like deal ?
I certainly do not.

(12-22-2012 09:35 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 12:31 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not our football program is worth money, but I'd say that the fact that I team from Boise, Idaho is in the Big East speaks a little bit to that. The only way this restructuring deal would have any effect on us is if it allowed us to make millions more than their current payout, $3-5 would be my guess.

Personally I have strong negative feelings towards Craig Thompson, Utah State (via their president), and the fact that SJSU was added. I would rather play with all sports as a western member of a western division of the Big East or build a new league without bottom feeders.

Our leadership has always maintained that this was about money and exposure. Wherever the best money and exposure is, will be where we end up.

Obviously things are still in flux, and everything may work out for a western presence. However, at this time BSU and UConn are the most valuable assets of the BE. With UConn most likely simply waiting for a call from the ACC at some point, losing the Broncos would be pretty painful to the conference.

No matter how you paint it, if that happens we'd truly do become C-USA version XXX. I seem to remember living out this scenario almost 20 years ago; the players remain the same, only the name changes. The metro->GMWC->CUSA evolution may continue.

(12-22-2012 09:58 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:35 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not our football program is worth money, but I'd say that the fact that I team from Boise, Idaho is in the Big East speaks a little bit to that. The only way this restructuring deal would have any effect on us is if it allowed us to make millions more than their current payout, $3-5 would be my guess.

Personally I have strong negative feelings towards Craig Thompson, Utah State (via their president), and the fact that SJSU was added. I would rather play with all sports as a western member of a western division of the Big East or build a new league without bottom feeders.

Our leadership has always maintained that this was about money and exposure. Wherever the best money and exposure is, will be where we end up.

Does boise st think its getting byu like deal ?
I certainly do not.

I don't know what the school is thinking, I'm just writing my own interpretation. It's been printed within the past week or so that at least one potential rights holder has shown intrest in Boise State's product alone. I can't imagine that a stand alone deal would be done for less than a couple of million dollars.

Frankly, we need some figures from the Big East, everyone does.

Well the BE has all these big market schools which we were assured mattered greatly more than live fan support or a won/loss record for getting a big money TV deal. Is this strategy being tested?

(12-22-2012 10:08 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:58 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:35 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not our football program is worth money, but I'd say that the fact that I team from Boise, Idaho is in the Big East speaks a little bit to that. The only way this restructuring deal would have any effect on us is if it allowed us to make millions more than their current payout, $3-5 would be my guess.

Personally I have strong negative feelings towards Craig Thompson, Utah State (via their president), and the fact that SJSU was added. I would rather play with all sports as a western member of a western division of the Big East or build a new league without bottom feeders.

Our leadership has always maintained that this was about money and exposure. Wherever the best money and exposure is, will be where we end up.

Does boise st think its getting byu like deal ?
I certainly do not.

I don't know what the school is thinking, I'm just writing my own interpretation. It's been printed within the past week or so that at least one potential rights holder has shown intrest in Boise State's product alone. I can't imagine that a stand alone deal would be done for less than a couple of million dollars.

Frankly, we need some figures from the Big East, everyone does.

It would seem that BSU is going to be able to have the rights to it's home games and that is the pitch that is being pitched to BYU. Whatever thats worth is up for debate but I would not be that unhappy with it.

(12-22-2012 09:35 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 12:31 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Dan Wolken's take:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...l/1786089/

Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not our football program is worth money, but I'd say that the fact that I team from Boise, Idaho is in the Big East speaks a little bit to that. The only way this restructuring deal would have any effect on us is if it allowed us to make millions more than their current payout, $3-5 would be my guess.

Personally I have strong negative feelings towards Craig Thompson, Utah State (via their president), and the fact that SJSU was added. I would rather play with all sports as a western member of a western division of the Big East or build a new league without bottom feeders.

Our leadership has always maintained that this was about money and exposure. Wherever the best money and exposure is, will be where we end up.

Actually the reason that Boise St is in the Big East for now was due to a desperate attempt for the Big East to try and retain its AQ status. As we all know that is no longer an issue and I think that is why the Big East was not in a hurry to add a western group of schools. BYU was the only team that could have made this move makes sense under the new playoff format and the fact that the Big East has been dropped down into the group of 5. Since the Big East could not get BYU to bite I really get the feeling that they were not really that interested in the west anymore. If they felt that Boise St was such a value to the league and could bring in a substantial amount of money to the contract they would have just gone out and added a couple more western teams.

At this point I am not sure that the Big East is really that concerned with keeping Boise St and SDSU if in doing so they had to add a couple of western schools into the fold that would not really add any money to the conference.

I think once the Basketball schools bailed the Big East saw an opportunity to rebuild the conference as a true all sports conference but the Western football only schools really would complicate that issue...I just do not see the Big East putting up a big fight to try and keep them on board. At this point based on the available money and the post season structure it just makes sense for the schools to be involved in more regional all sports conferences.

I think the market as spoken and said there is no real TV money available out there for any conference outside of the Big 5 conferences no matter how you structure it....A best of the rest large conference just is not going to bring in enough money to justify the headache of trying to put it together and hold it together....The only way that was going to work is if the Big East could have brought BYU on board and that is why Aresco was so focused on them even after they had told the Big East no several times. Clearly Aresco had no real interest in any other schools in the West as they would not have made financial sense. So by not acting Aresco and the Big East has basically forced Boise St's hand and as a result they will now be able to build an all sports conference.

(12-22-2012 11:16 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:35 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:27 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 09:23 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 08:31 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Yes cbs wants to give big money to remote areas of the mwc.

Sounds like a way to maximize the square miles of territory covered with the minimum population.

Also may maximize their tax loss at cbs.

Did you read it? The restructure allows for a certain selection of games to be packaged and sold to other networks, not the entire thing. My guess is that it would allow us to sign our own deal for whatever games that entails and I have to admit that is enticing. I'm sure we could get at a few million per year for football and keep our bball team in that 4 bid conference instead of paying to be in the Big West.

I don't know about millions. The original deal of 8 million stands so even if they got a bone thrown in by allowing some games to be sold thats not going to bring a ton of money. If the Big East is offering EAST/ WEST deal it could be for more money and just as good if not better in basketball.
We shall see what happens but the MWC did not get what it really wanted which was CBS willing to open up the deal to renegotiating.

I'm not going to argue with you on whether or not our football program is worth money, but I'd say that the fact that I team from Boise, Idaho is in the Big East speaks a little bit to that. The only way this restructuring deal would have any effect on us is if it allowed us to make millions more than their current payout, $3-5 would be my guess.

Personally I have strong negative feelings towards Craig Thompson, Utah State (via their president), and the fact that SJSU was added. I would rather play with all sports as a western member of a western division of the Big East or build a new league without bottom feeders.

Our leadership has always maintained that this was about money and exposure. Wherever the best money and exposure is, will be where we end up.

Actually the reason that Boise St is in the Big East for now was due to a desperate attempt for the Big East to try and retain its AQ status. As we all know that is no longer an issue and I think that is why the Big East was not in a hurry to add a western group of schools. BYU was the only team that could have made this move makes sense under the new playoff format and the fact that the Big East has been dropped down into the group of 5. Since the Big East could not get BYU to bite I really get the feeling that they were not really that interested in the west anymore. If they felt that Boise St was such a value to the league and could bring in a substantial amount of money to the contract they would have just gone out and added a couple more western teams.

At this point I am not sure that the Big East is really that concerned with keeping Boise St and SDSU if in doing so they had to add a couple of western schools into the fold that would not really add any money to the conference.

I think once the Basketball schools bailed the Big East saw an opportunity to rebuild the conference as a true all sports conference but the Western football only schools really would complicate that issue...I just do not see the Big East putting up a big fight to try and keep them on board. At this point based on the available money and the post season structure it just makes sense for the schools to be involved in more regional all sports conferences.

I think the market as spoken and said there is no real TV money available out there for any conference outside of the Big 5 conferences no matter how you structure it....A best of the rest large conference just is not going to bring in enough money to justify the headache of trying to put it together and hold it together....The only way that was going to work is if the Big East could have brought BYU on board and that is why Aresco was so focused on them even after they had told the Big East no several times. Clearly Aresco had no real interest in any other schools in the West as they would not have made financial sense. So by not acting Aresco and the Big East has basically forced Boise St's hand and as a result they will now be able to build an all sports conference.

So the nBE does not want or need BSU so they just neglected them for long enough that they left on their own.....thats your take? Why was BSU invited a year before ECU then? Why was ECU added as a football only member? And how does this nBE propose to get more money than CUSA who just signed a new contract last year if they don't changeup the teams?

Lol, freaking ECU fans. Boise was invited because they have a football brand that is actually worth something.

If BYU home games are worth 7 million, Say Boise State gets 5 million.
Thier away games would be worth 5[BYU] & 3[Boise] million.
The MWC doubled thier TV contract.
The MWC still has half thier inventory & extra BB games to sell at inflated market.
If they get another 8 million, MWC TV contract is now worth 24 million.

(12-22-2012 10:57 AM)otto Wrote:  Well the BE has all these big market schools which we were assured mattered greatly more than live fan support or a won/loss record for getting a big money TV deal. Is this strategy being tested?

Most of the "big market" teams left when the C7 left. This is why the football teams never advocated a split. Remember my thread with the market breakdown: the big east went from 70million+ households to 35 million.

Now that December 21st has past at least no one can blame us for causing the end of the world:discoaintdead:

ROLL WAVE!

(12-25-2012 02:00 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 10:57 AM)otto Wrote:  Well the BE has all these big market schools which we were assured mattered greatly more than live fan support or a won/loss record for getting a big money TV deal. Is this strategy being tested?

Most of the "big market" teams left when the C7 left. This is why the football teams never advocated a split. Remember my thread with the market breakdown: the big east went from 70million+ households to 35 million.

C7 Catholic Schools have never created one dime of FOOTBALL TV $$$ for the Big East....so losing teams like Marquette, DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, etc....won't factor one bit in regards to FOOTBALL TV $$$$ that the Big East will receive.

Correct.

(12-25-2012 10:49 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Correct.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...t-big-east

No extra funds for boise from mwc