(01-20-2013 12:05 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:04 PM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:49 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:27 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:19 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I don't know. ECU has won conference titles and been to a few bowls, but I do know that no one anywhere cares about North Texas; and that includes the other Texas schools (see Houston and SMU). That is why North Texas is in the Sun Belt. Enjoy yourself.

I do know a little about North Texas and shortly they will be a full member of C-USA not the Sun Belt.... .

I got news for you. Banowsky has or in short order will have invited the entire Sun Belt conference. Therefore North Texas is in the Sun Belt conference.

Therefore ECU was in the SunBelt. If CUSA is now SunBelt, then old CUSA was Sunbelt which ECU was a part of.

Well welcome to the Belt. ECU is about to get off the punishment though and it sounds like Rice, UTEP, Tulsa and USM are getting paroled too.

Just how does it sound like we are getting paroled?

(01-20-2013 10:23 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Rice and Texas-El Paso, meanwhile, have been linked to discussions with the Mountain West.

If Tulsa goes East, and the MWC decides that UTEP and Rice are worth the expansion to 14, I think the Owls would probably follow the Miners to the MWC.

NMSU and WKU would be solid adds. We don't need to lose UTEP or Rice to the MWC.. that would suck.

(01-20-2013 12:08 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:00 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:43 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:32 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  Are we getting closer to "I know you are but what am I "PeeWee" and......too much bad moonshine, Southern Goober Boy?

Oh, here is another famous UNT alum you may have missed:

Norm Miller, Interstate Batteries, CEO, UNT Alum:
http://northtexan.unt.edu/content/norm-miller

If North Texas were relevant; then why is UTSA and Texas State spoke of more highly than North Texas? Hence North Texas is irrelevant.

I am not impressed with the NT poster's nature of post, but I will say I remember an ECU program that I thought was worthy of C-USA membership and one that USM had a great rivalry with. USM and others stood against Louisville to admit ECU into the conference even though it caused USM and the ones who stood for ECU some anxiety. I think ECU proved us right and I am proud of where ECU has gone, but I must say NT has been a school USM has a history with and at times they have been impressive. Fortunately, lately they have been impressive and seem to have a serious attitude to becoming a very good program (just like that ECU we supported) and I think until they prove my faith misplaced, just like with ECU, they should get their shot.

I did not draw first blood, SgtGoldenEagle.

I don't see how Banowsky's "expanding to appease ECU" could ever be construed as so insulting at all. Hell, it's the truth!

GMG!

I think the NT poster is not stating his case in a mature nature and I understand your position, but I think NT has earned their invitation just as I feel ECU did back in the day they were getting into C-USA. I respect ECU very much, but I am all for giving North Texas it's chance. I don't know where USM will be in a few years as for conference membership, but right now we are in C-USA and I am fine with the fellow members. I hate to lose some of the ones who are leaving or left, but such is life and you move on.

Mature nature? And just how could I have stated those very few words that has the ECU guys panties in a wad in a mature way? I'm all ears and most trainable and coach'able, too.

GMG!

PS: Did the "Southern Goober Boy" part kind of skew your opinion on all this, SGE, as a Mississippian? Well, my great-great grandfather on my mother's side was a confederate soldier from near Bessemer, Alabama, who was captured at the Battle of Chickamauga by the northern invaders so I am hardly indicting the entire Deep South by calling one person "Southern Goober Boy" by any mean since I would also be doing such with me.:)

NOTE: He escaped.

Why would C-USA keep exanding?? Everytime they add someone, they are just deluting the amount of money each school receives. As schools leave in the near future, C-USA should just stay where they are with 12 to keep the most money in its members hands as possible.

(01-20-2013 12:17 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Why would C-USA keep exanding?? Everytime they add someone, they are just deluting the amount of money each school receives. As schools leave in the near future, C-USA should just stay where they are with 12 to keep the most money in its members hands as possible.

CUSA had to expand from 12 to 14 to keep the current tv contract.

(01-20-2013 12:17 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Why would C-USA keep exanding?? Everytime they add someone, they are just deluting the amount of money each school receives. As schools leave in the near future, C-USA should just stay where they are with 12 to keep the most money in its members hands as possible.

I scratch my head on that one, too. If we didn't have all the new programs, we could have made a serious run at the nBE and none of our departing programs would have suffered the exit and entrance fees to stay in place.

The only plausible argument I can come up with is that C-USA is setting up the negotiations for the loss of television revenue discussions with the departing schools by trying to add the very best programs they can. C-USA can argue we tried to keep the television revenues up, and reduce the amount that the departing schools owe us. However, there was just no combination possible.

So we are asking UCF, SMU, and Tulsa to pay a very large amount. Maybe less for the others, since they were original C-USA members, but still a significant number because the C-USA television contract has been severely diminished.

(01-20-2013 12:10 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 09:10 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Who do you like? I think this means CUSA has plans of going to 16.

I do not understand why Arkansas State is always mentioned. Wikipedia says it is a smalllsh school with a small endowment and a small media market. These programs will always be available, and for the short term those of us staying in C-USA are guaranteed the television revenues by the exit fees of the departing schools. I would much rather C-USA sit tight and be more strategic should another realignment round begin in 2013.

Jonesboro is a very small market but Little Rock is in between Memphis and Tulsa geographically and in market size.

Since the local Little Rock paper has an ASU beat writer and the four stations that do local news cover ASU regularly (all home games plus select road games, and sent satellite trucks for three to four days of bowl coverage), and Little Rock TV has contracted to carry ASU games the last two years and two stations putting in proposals for expanded broadcast schedule this year, the Little Rock market isn't ASU's but ASU is a factor there.

ASU wins at football. Why would we possibly want to add that? Someone get Georgia State and NMSU on the line.

(01-20-2013 12:16 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:08 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:00 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:43 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  If North Texas were relevant; then why is UTSA and Texas State spoke of more highly than North Texas? Hence North Texas is irrelevant.

I am not impressed with the NT poster's nature of post, but I will say I remember an ECU program that I thought was worthy of C-USA membership and one that USM had a great rivalry with. USM and others stood against Louisville to admit ECU into the conference even though it caused USM and the ones who stood for ECU some anxiety. I think ECU proved us right and I am proud of where ECU has gone, but I must say NT has been a school USM has a history with and at times they have been impressive. Fortunately, lately they have been impressive and seem to have a serious attitude to becoming a very good program (just like that ECU we supported) and I think until they prove my faith misplaced, just like with ECU, they should get their shot.

I did not draw first blood, SgtGoldenEagle.

I don't see how Banowsky's "expanding to appease ECU" could ever be construed as so insulting at all. Hell, it's the truth!

GMG!

I think the NT poster is not stating his case in a mature nature and I understand your position, but I think NT has earned their invitation just as I feel ECU did back in the day they were getting into C-USA. I respect ECU very much, but I am all for giving North Texas it's chance. I don't know where USM will be in a few years as for conference membership, but right now we are in C-USA and I am fine with the fellow members. I hate to lose some of the ones who are leaving or left, but such is life and you move on.

Mature nature? And just how could I have stated those very few words that has the ECU guys panties in a wad in a mature way? I'm all ears and most trainable and coach'able, too.

GMG!

PS: Did the "Southern Goober Boy" part kind of skew your opinion on all this, SGE, as a Mississippian? Well, my great-great grandfather on my mother's side was a confederate soldier from near Bessemer, Alabama, who was captured at the Battle of Chickamauga by the northern invaders so I am hardly indicting the entire Deep South by calling one person "Southern Goober Boy" by any mean since I would also be doing such with me.:)

NOTE: He escaped.

I am not sure how to respond to you but I guess I will overlook your statement about my Mississippi roots. I no longer live in Mississippi and haven't since May 4, 2007, but my love of the Univ. of Southern Mississippi will always be strong since I went there. I am proud of my Southern roots, and also have several confederate soldiers in my family history, but I am really more proud of my service to the United States which includes enlistments in the Air Force and Navy. I am a disabled Vietnam Era Veteran and never wake up to a day that my injury recieved in my service to this nation doesn't cause me pain. I look at all of this nation's states as part of our great nation and while some may not be as favorable in my opinion, all are part of a nation I value and love.

(01-20-2013 12:23 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:17 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Why would C-USA keep exanding?? Everytime they add someone, they are just deluting the amount of money each school receives. As schools leave in the near future, C-USA should just stay where they are with 12 to keep the most money in its members hands as possible.

CUSA had to expand from 12 to 14 to keep the current tv contract.

So is it a for sure thing that the C-USA TV contract will remain the exact same after the exits and entrances of old and new teams?

(01-20-2013 12:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:10 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 09:10 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Who do you like? I think this means CUSA has plans of going to 16.

I do not understand why Arkansas State is always mentioned. Wikipedia says it is a smalllsh school with a small endowment and a small media market. These programs will always be available, and for the short term those of us staying in C-USA are guaranteed the television revenues by the exit fees of the departing schools. I would much rather C-USA sit tight and be more strategic should another realignment round begin in 2013.

Jonesboro is a very small market but Little Rock is in between Memphis and Tulsa geographically and in market size.

Since the local Little Rock paper has an ASU beat writer and the four stations that do local news cover ASU regularly (all home games plus select road games, and sent satellite trucks for three to four days of bowl coverage), and Little Rock TV has contracted to carry ASU games the last two years and two stations putting in proposals for expanded broadcast schedule this year, the Little Rock market isn't ASU's but ASU is a factor there.

Thanks for the explanation.

(01-20-2013 12:24 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:17 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Why would C-USA keep exanding?? Everytime they add someone, they are just deluting the amount of money each school receives. As schools leave in the near future, C-USA should just stay where they are with 12 to keep the most money in its members hands as possible.

I scratch my head on that one, too. If we didn't have all the new programs, we could have made a serious run at the nBE and none of our departing programs would have suffered the exit and entrance fees to stay in place.

The only plausible argument I can come up with is that C-USA is setting up the negotiations for the loss of television revenue discussions with the departing schools by trying to add the very best programs they can. C-USA can argue we tried to keep the television revenues up, and reduce the amount that the departing schools owe us. However, there was just no combination possible.

So we are asking UCF, SMU, and Tulsa to pay a very large amount. Maybe less for the others, since they were original C-USA members, but still a significant number because the C-USA television contract has been severely diminished.

I suppose it'll still be more money for the new schools coming in, but the current members are getting screwed out of money.

(01-20-2013 10:12 AM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  What if it is about UCF, Houston, and SMU staying

That would be fantastic news, but don't count on it. Unfortunately, like others have stated, it is probably to add more schools because other are or will be leaving soon.

(01-20-2013 12:11 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:05 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:04 PM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:49 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:27 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I do know a little about North Texas and shortly they will be a full member of C-USA not the Sun Belt.... .

I got news for you. Banowsky has or in short order will have invited the entire Sun Belt conference. Therefore North Texas is in the Sun Belt conference.

Therefore ECU was in the SunBelt. If CUSA is now SunBelt, then old CUSA was Sunbelt which ECU was a part of.

Well welcome to the Belt. ECU is about to get off the punishment though and it sounds like Rice, UTEP, Tulsa and USM are getting paroled too.

Just how does it sound like we are getting paroled?

Read the Tulsa World article.

(01-20-2013 12:16 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:08 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:00 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:43 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  If North Texas were relevant; then why is UTSA and Texas State spoke of more highly than North Texas? Hence North Texas is irrelevant.

I am not impressed with the NT poster's nature of post, but I will say I remember an ECU program that I thought was worthy of C-USA membership and one that USM had a great rivalry with. USM and others stood against Louisville to admit ECU into the conference even though it caused USM and the ones who stood for ECU some anxiety. I think ECU proved us right and I am proud of where ECU has gone, but I must say NT has been a school USM has a history with and at times they have been impressive. Fortunately, lately they have been impressive and seem to have a serious attitude to becoming a very good program (just like that ECU we supported) and I think until they prove my faith misplaced, just like with ECU, they should get their shot.

I did not draw first blood, SgtGoldenEagle.

I don't see how Banowsky's "expanding to appease ECU" could ever be construed as so insulting at all. Hell, it's the truth!

GMG!

I think the NT poster is not stating his case in a mature nature and I understand your position, but I think NT has earned their invitation just as I feel ECU did back in the day they were getting into C-USA. I respect ECU very much, but I am all for giving North Texas it's chance. I don't know where USM will be in a few years as for conference membership, but right now we are in C-USA and I am fine with the fellow members. I hate to lose some of the ones who are leaving or left, but such is life and you move on.

Mature nature? And just how could I have stated those very few words that has the ECU guys panties in a wad in a mature way? I'm all ears and most trainable and coach'able, too.

GMG!

PS: Did the "Southern Goober Boy" part kind of skew your opinion on all this, SGE, as a Mississippian? Well, my great-great grandfather on my mother's side was a confederate soldier from near Bessemer, Alabama, who was captured at the Battle of Chickamauga by the northern invaders so I am hardly indicting the entire Deep South by calling one person "Southern Goober Boy" by any mean since I would also be doing such with me.:)

NOTE: He escaped.

First of all your premise is wrong. Charlotte and ODU were not added to CUSA for the benefit of ECU; those schools were added for the benefit of Marshall. If you have been following these threads then you would know that ECU wanted to add Appy. State, MTSU and FIU. Those were the only schools that ECU pulled for publicly because they thought those schools were ready to compete in CUSA right away. ECU mentioned Charlotte or ODU as potential members, but it would be down the road; because at that time those schools were shaky on even whether they wanted to be in FBS football.

It was Marshall that wanted to add and ODU and Charlotte, because obviously Marshall officials knew that they would have been on an island in CUSA if and when ECU left; which means Marshall may have been forced back into the MAC. So Marshall and ECU officials are the ones that convinced ODU officials to move up; and then Marshall officials pushed for Charlotte, even though Charlotte doesn't have a football team yet. Those additions have been covered in numerous newspaper stories posted on this board; which is why your comments were wrong to begin with.

(01-20-2013 12:40 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:11 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:05 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:04 PM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 11:49 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I got news for you. Banowsky has or in short order will have invited the entire Sun Belt conference. Therefore North Texas is in the Sun Belt conference.

Therefore ECU was in the SunBelt. If CUSA is now SunBelt, then old CUSA was Sunbelt which ECU was a part of.

Well welcome to the Belt. ECU is about to get off the punishment though and it sounds like Rice, UTEP, Tulsa and USM are getting paroled too.

Just how does it sound like we are getting paroled?

Read the Tulsa World article.

I will take exception with the part of paroled because I think that is crazy talk. USM has been a member of C-USA since it started and frankly many other schools have prospered from their association with the conference more than USM has. I hardly consider it punishment and think statements like that are not of any value.

If the conference your school is going to can produce rock solid guarantees to USM that will prove worth taking then I say go for it, but frankly I see nothing that really makes me feel there is any value in leaving C-USA for it. Yeah some great rivalries are lost that I will certainly miss, like ECU and while more because of length of the rivalry than the quality of it, Memphis. However, USM has played La. Tech many times since 1923 or so, and the rivalry has such a history it is called "The Rivalry of the South", which has had so many exciting games. I see a MTSU program that I am impressed with and look forward to getting started, and of course, I love playing Marshall a school I have great respect for. So hardly would I consider it a punishment to be associated with these great schools anymore than I consider it a punishment to be associated with ECU, Memphis, Tulane or the others.

(01-20-2013 12:55 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:40 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:11 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:05 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-20-2013 12:04 PM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  Therefore ECU was in the SunBelt. If CUSA is now SunBelt, then old CUSA was Sunbelt which ECU was a part of.

Well welcome to the Belt. ECU is about to get off the punishment though and it sounds like Rice, UTEP, Tulsa and USM are getting paroled too.

Just how does it sound like we are getting paroled?

Read the Tulsa World article.

I will take exception with the part of paroled because I think that is crazy talk. USM has been a member of C-USA since it started and frankly many other schools have prospered from their association with the conference more than USM has. I hardly consider it punishment and think statements like that are not of any value.

If the conference your school is going to can produce rock solid guarantees to USM that will prove worth taking then I say go for it, but frankly I see nothing that really makes me feel there is any value in leaving C-USA for it. Yeah some great rivalries are lost that I will certainly miss, like ECU and while more because of length of the rivalry than the quality of it, Memphis. However, USM has played La. Tech many times since 1923 or so, and the rivalry has such a history it is called "The Rivalry of the South", which has had so many exciting games. I see a MTSU program that I am impressed with and look forward to getting started, and of course, I love playing Marshall a school I have great respect for. So hardly would I consider it a punishment to be associated with these great schools anymore than I consider it a punishment to be associated with ECU, Memphis, Tulane or the others.

I think at the end of the day each of these schools is just trying to stay with their rivals. There isn't really any moving up at this point, but everyone definitely can see being moved down if they don't stay with their rivals. Which is why I say paroled.

(01-20-2013 11:43 AM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I am not impressed with the NT poster's nature of post, but I will say I remember an ECU program that I thought was worthy of C-USA membership and one that USM had a great rivalry with. USM and others stood against Louisville to admit ECU into the conference even though it caused USM and the ones who stood for ECU some anxiety. I think ECU proved us right and I am proud of where ECU has gone, but I must say NT has been a school USM has a history with and at times they have been impressive. Fortunately, lately they have been impressive and seem to have a serious attitude to becoming a very good program (just like that ECU we supported) and I think until they prove my faith misplaced, just like with ECU, they should get their shot.

Just dropping in to add an outside perspective.

North Texas was a very good Sun Belt member, was active in building the league, not a conference-jumper and stayed loyal until geography made it a no-brainer.

In the Sun Belt North Texas was on a bit of an island which caused them problems getting traction. No in-state rivalries.

Probably shouldn't pre-judge UNT.

(01-20-2013 11:09 AM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  There is nothing of a garbage nature that ever comes from the Lone Star State, Southern Goober Boy. And just what was ECU's success in CUSA? Care to elaborate on that?

Well funny thing is that no one in the Southwest still has no idea if your school is in North or South Carolina and furthermore.........don't give a crap which state it's in. ECU is a 2'nd rate school trying to be something it will never be.

And ask our rich and famous what they think of your Southern Goober Boy remarks plus.....can ECU match this list in the link below? The answer is, uh "NO" you can't come even close. So go back to being a good widdle' Carolina ACC wannabe' school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Uni...xas_alumni

And one more: Norm Miller, CEO, Interstate Batteries http://northtexan.unt.edu/content/norm-miller

Stop embarrasing yourself. The ECU guy is right, nobody in texas gives a flying fuk about UNT.

For those of you unaware here is the pecking order it Texas.

T1. Whorn (UT or Texas as you non-Texas folk know it as)
T1. Aggy (A&M)

T3. Sand Aggy (Tech)
T3. TCU
4. Baylor

5. Houston (Though when winning, the Coogs jump up to #3 in the state behind only Whorn and Aggy)
6.SMU













7. UTSA
8. Texas State

9. Rice










10. Sam Houston
11. UNT
12. SFA/Lamar


Weatherford, ECU packs the house with 50k and we all know UNT has NEVER had a crowd in Denton past 27k. The only reason you even got 27k was because of the fact that over 7k Coogs made the trip to DFW. If anybody gave a crap about UNT or should I say NTSU, they would have been added to the old SWC where all the Texas schools that actually mattered were at.

UNT is a joke and will continue to be a joke for the forseeable future. Learn your place before I continue breaking down what NTSU really is.