(02-09-2013 09:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 09:19 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 09:08 PM)S11 Wrote:  1- Let's see if Fox, ESPN, or others counterbid.

2- If this is that low CUSA is getting slashed.

Why would this collection of schools make much more than they did in CUSA? Why would MTSU, UNT, FIU, FAU get as much as those schools did in CUSA?

Truth is...they shouldn't. Just changing chairs and logos adds little real honest-to-goodness value.

1. They upgraded somewhat, UConn, Cincy, USF, Temple vs USM, Marshall, UAB, Rice, UTEP.
2. Basketball is a lot better with 4 tournament-quality programs instead of 1 in CUSA. OTOH, the A-10 had 4 tournament-quality programs and they got $5M per year for the league.
3. The upward march of TV rights fees continues. FoxSports1 and 2 are rolling out.

So I thought they'd double their TV revenues.

I can't believe that Fox wouldn't beat this offer just to have programming on FS2 and some RSN content for Fox Sports Southwest and maybe Fox RSN's in NY/CT and Florida.

Fox already has CUSA, PAC12, and I believe B12 rights, plus they own the American rights to virtually every European soccer league via Fox Soccer. MLS is also up for a new deal soon, so they might also make a play for that. There's also their MLB & auto racing holdings to consider as well.

Fox doesn't need the BE, especially if the BE won't accept their true value and insists on being overpaid.

(02-09-2013 09:36 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I think these are low ball numbers. The Big East will likely stay with ten members...

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Memphis
South Florida
SMU
Temple
Tulane

I think that lineup ends up with about $50mil a year, or about $5mil per team every year.

I think the issue is that ESPN is still mad about the BE saying No 2 years ago and Fox Sports hitching a ride on the C7. If there is no one bidding and no real likleyhood to have anyone else come in, a lowball offer might be the best that they can get.

Yeah, if that is 2 million for basketball AND football, that is low. I'm assuming NBC is discounting for the expected departure of UCONN and Cincy.

(02-09-2013 09:38 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 09:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 09:19 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 09:08 PM)S11 Wrote:  1- Let's see if Fox, ESPN, or others counterbid.

2- If this is that low CUSA is getting slashed.

Why would this collection of schools make much more than they did in CUSA? Why would MTSU, UNT, FIU, FAU get as much as those schools did in CUSA?

Truth is...they shouldn't. Just changing chairs and logos adds little real honest-to-goodness value.

1. They upgraded somewhat, UConn, Cincy, USF, Temple vs USM, Marshall, UAB, Rice, UTEP.
2. Basketball is a lot better with 4 tournament-quality programs instead of 1 in CUSA. OTOH, the A-10 had 4 tournament-quality programs and they got $5M per year for the league.
3. The upward march of TV rights fees continues. FoxSports1 and 2 are rolling out.

So I thought they'd double their TV revenues.

I can't believe that Fox wouldn't beat this offer just to have programming on FS2 and some RSN content for Fox Sports Southwest and maybe Fox RSN's in NY/CT and Florida.

Fox already has CUSA, PAC12, and I believe B12 rights, plus they own the American rights to virtually every European soccer league via Fox Soccer. MLS is also up for a new deal soon, so they might also make a play for that. There's also their MLB & auto racing holdings to consider as well.

Fox doesn't need the BE, especially if the BE won't accept their true value and insists on being overpaid.

They also own like half the B10 network.

wow- looked and found this thread from 2 years ago:
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?pid=6340650

last post indicates that ESPN in fact does have the right of 1st refusal....

(02-09-2013 09:38 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  Fox already has CUSA, PAC12, and I believe B12 rights, plus they own the American rights to virtually every European soccer league via Fox Soccer. MLS is also up for a new deal soon, so they might also make a play for that. There's also their MLB & auto racing holdings to consider as well.

Fox doesn't need the BE, especially if the BE won't accept their true value and insists on being overpaid.

They don't NEED the Aresco LEague, but with FoxSports1 and FoxSports2 they have a lot of airtime to fill.

Figure they want 20 football games a year on Fox, 30 games each on FS1 and FS2, and 20 games on Fox Sports Nets, that's 100 games. They have 22 from the PAC deal, about 35 from the Big 12 (the conference deal plus they have about half the third-tier games). That takes care of FOX and FS1. They have the rights to 20 CUSA games, but there's still lots of room on FS2 and the RSNs. Plus more basketball to fill airtime.

I'm a St Johns' fan, but even I have to consider that part of the reason Fox is going after the C-7 is to fill large amounts of airtime on FS1 and FS2. The Aresco League may be lower-prestige programming, but it's still live game programming.

(02-09-2013 09:36 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I think these are low ball numbers. The Big East will likely stay with ten members...

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Memphis
South Florida
SMU
Temple
Tulane

I think that lineup ends up with about $50mil a year, or about $5mil per team every year.

If $5 mil were in the cards that would have been $3.5 million for football and Boise wouldn't have been so willing to go back to the Big East, and SDSU certainly wouldn't have been.

if these figures are correct, could this open the opportunity for uconn and cincy to make a pitch to join the c7? What would they make going indy in FB? Would the c7 want them? Could they go FB only somewhere?

(02-09-2013 10:03 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if these figures are correct, could this open the opportunity for uconn and cincy to make a pitch to join the c7? What would they make going indy in FB? Would the c7 want them? Could they go FB only somewhere?

I suppose it would be possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely. I think the fb leagues would say no fb only quite frankly.

And, I don't think the C7 would want them at all really.

(02-09-2013 10:03 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if these figures are correct, could this open the opportunity for uconn and cincy to make a pitch to join the c7? What would they make going indy in FB? Would the c7 want them? Could they go FB only somewhere?

If it's really worth that little they should beg the C7 to let them stay. The MAC would take them FB only.

So, it is really a foregone conclusion, based on reactions, that the Big East is going all in with one network? That would be very shocking, as the ACC is the only FBS/D1 conference that has all their media rights hitched to one network. How does anyone know that this bid isn't just for a piece of media rights? Just football? Basketball? I need to see a little more detail about the nature of this deal before having a panic attack.

(02-09-2013 09:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  There's more big news on there:
The Catholic 7 schools -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, St. John's, Seton Hall and Villanova -- haven't formed a new league yet, but Fox Sports has been the leader for their media rights after approaching the schools before they had even left the Big East, sources said. Fox Sports' offer would be worth $30 million to $40 million a year depending on how many teams are in the league, sources said.

"Barring a hiccup," Fox Sports will land the media rights deal for the Catholic 7's new league, a source said

The Catholic 7 schools still must form a league, decide on a commissioner, bylaws, location, championships, compliance rules and how many schools they will add. They are expected to initially target Butler and Xavier out of the Atlantic 10, and possibly grow to 10 or 12 teams with candidates among Creighton, Dayton, Saint Louis, Richmond and VCU.

The Fox and NBC deals are part of the reasoning why the Catholic 7 is still holding out hope it could leave in the fall of 2013. To do so, though, they would need other schools to buy their way out of the A-10 and possibly the Missouri Valley if Creighton is invited.

Kind of interesting, they updated the story and took out the final paragraph about the C7 expansion....

(02-09-2013 10:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 10:03 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if these figures are correct, could this open the opportunity for uconn and cincy to make a pitch to join the c7? What would they make going indy in FB? Would the c7 want them? Could they go FB only somewhere?

I suppose it would be possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely. I think the fb leagues would say no fb only quite frankly.

And, I don't think the C7 would want them at all really.

I think the C7 would want UConn. I don't see how a basketball-oriented league could say no to a MBB with 2 NC's in the last few years. And of course WBB is a dynasty.

Cincinnati would be a close call.

The problem with this scenario, however, is that neither UConn nor UC can survive for more than a few years in FBS-level football as Independents. And they aren't good enough in football to entice any league to allow them in as football-only. MAC? Implausible, but perhaps on the outer-rim of the possible.

(02-09-2013 10:21 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 10:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 10:03 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if these figures are correct, could this open the opportunity for uconn and cincy to make a pitch to join the c7? What would they make going indy in FB? Would the c7 want them? Could they go FB only somewhere?

I suppose it would be possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely. I think the fb leagues would say no fb only quite frankly.

And, I don't think the C7 would want them at all really.

I think the C7 would want UConn. I don't see how a basketball-oriented league could say no to a MBB with 2 NC's in the last few years. And of course WBB is a dynasty.

Cincinnati would be a close call.

The problem with this scenario, however, is that neither UConn nor UC can survive for more than a few years in FBS-level football as Independents. And they aren't good enough in football to entice any league to allow them in as football-only. MAC? Implausible, but perhaps on the outer-rim of the possible.

They would say no to UConn due to the flight risk. Having them join the new league, then having UConn leaving after 2 years- that'd be the worst case scenario for the new league.

(02-09-2013 10:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 09:36 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I think these are low ball numbers. The Big East will likely stay with ten members...

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Memphis
South Florida
SMU
Temple
Tulane

I think that lineup ends up with about $50mil a year, or about $5mil per team every year.

If $5 mil were in the cards that would have been $3.5 million for football and Boise wouldn't have been so willing to go back to the Big East, and SDSU certainly wouldn't have been.

Not really. At 5 million Boise would have only earned 3.5 million. Plus, they have to pay 900K in travel subsudies to the Big West--so they only net about 2.6 million. Plus they have to pay exit and entry fees and dump their improving basketball league in the Big West. That doesnt even consider extra travel costs. Boise is going to make between 3-5 million with thier sweetheart MW deal. So, the nBE would likely need to hit around 8-9 miilion a year for it to make much sense for Boise to stay.

My guess is that the 20-23 number represents the bid for a package of rights for NBC--but is by no means a bid for the ENTIRE rights package. The nBE has said since day one they would not go with a single carrier. Everythging I have heard indicates that is still the case.

(02-09-2013 10:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 10:21 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I don't see how a basketball-oriented league could say no to a MBB with 2 NC's in the last few years. And of course WBB is a dynasty.

They would say no to UConn due to the flight risk. Having them join the new league, then having UConn leaving after 2 years- that'd be the worst case scenario for the new league.

Agreed. I should've made it clear in my comment that a UConn-to-C7 arrangement could only be feasible if UConn was locked down for a fixed number of years. I completely agree that the C7 is not going to invite a team that is already looking to leave even before the league comes into formal existence.

(02-09-2013 10:21 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 10:07 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 10:03 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  if these figures are correct, could this open the opportunity for uconn and cincy to make a pitch to join the c7? What would they make going indy in FB? Would the c7 want them? Could they go FB only somewhere?

I suppose it would be possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely. I think the fb leagues would say no fb only quite frankly.

And, I don't think the C7 would want them at all really.

I think the C7 would want UConn. I don't see how a basketball-oriented league could say no to a MBB with 2 NC's in the last few years. And of course WBB is a dynasty.

Cincinnati would be a close call.

The problem with this scenario, however, is that neither UConn nor UC can survive for more than a few years in FBS-level football as Independents. And they aren't good enough in football to entice any league to allow them in as football-only. MAC? Implausible, but perhaps on the outer-rim of the possible.

The MAC would take them in for football-only in a heartbeat, or at least if I were the commish. While UC isn't exactly expanding our markets, they're a good program, and UConn would solidify the east coast with UMass, assuming they join for all sports. WKU/Delaware/James Madison would then be our 14th member I assume. All very unlikely, but not impossible.

Obviously the MAC would take Cincy and or UConn football only.

If they are seriously considering that, does the C7 take Xavier? They could take, Butler, Creighton, St. Louis, Cincy, UConn.

If Cincy left you pick up Xavier, if UConn left you go get Richmond, VCU, or Dayton.

It would be interesting to see how much value UC and UConn would add to a MAC TV deal. If those schools could manage to get in both it would probably be worth more than the 2 million from just the Big East. UC would also save an absurd amount on travel. They would bus everywhere except for Buffalo, UMass. While, more than likely only traveling to 1 of those teams a year.

(02-09-2013 09:08 PM)S11 Wrote:  1- Let's see if Fox, ESPN, or others counterbid.

2- If this is that low CUSA is getting slashed.

How does CUSA gets mentioned in this topic?

(02-09-2013 08:55 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  

Quote:@McMurphyESPN: NBC Sports Network offers Big East $20M-$23M/year for media rights, sources tell @ESPN

No conformation yet, but if this is TOTAL, then the nBE is toast. Would mean UH, Tulane, SMU would be losing money in the move to nBE.

If it is PER team, WOW... Don't want to see what the B1G gets...

Yes, I've heard all Big East schools will now split up and go independent. There's no point in continuing as a conference.

I know it's so because I read it on this board.