(02-11-2013 02:39 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:44 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  Watching ACC fans try to explain a GOR is like watching zoo animals try to juggle Vaseline covered beach balls.

A GOR is radically different from an exit fee. In the last 36 hours alone, over-whelming evidence has been posted on this very board that a GOR is an exponentially greater impediment to leaving a conference than an exit fee.

The ACC's putrid TV deal (worse than the Big 12's, a conference with less teams and a smaller population footprint) would be renegotiated to a much more favorable amount of $ IF the ACC could get a GOR signed.....but it can't. Ergo, it will lose more members. And the beat goes on.....

its 300k less than the big12,19.8 vs 19.5 per yr.

You forget to mention that the Big XII only splits the income among 10 schools, while the ACC is splitting their's with 14. That makes the difference much more than $300K...

last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

(02-11-2013 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

(02-11-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

rumored heh? so no actual proof. Keep those ACC rose colored glasses on....

(02-11-2013 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

rumored heh? so no actual proof. Keep those ACC rose colored glasses on....

And we all get excited about those RUMORED Realignment scenarios. And the B12 Tier 3 fairytale.

kylelamb got a copy of the Big 12 GOR and they have been discussing it for a couple days over on the WVU Scout Big 12 Board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=11271395

Also posters there are claiming there is both a GOR and an exit fee.

Cheers,
Neil

(02-11-2013 03:42 PM)omniorange Wrote:  kylelamb got a copy of the Big 12 GOR and they have been discussing it for a couple days over on the WVU Scout Big 12 Board.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=11271395

Also posters there are claiming there is both a GOR and an exit fee.

Cheers,
Neil

Big 12 has exit fees in the Big 12 handbook under effects of withdrawal. It's online and easy to find.

GOR is well known.

(02-11-2013 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

rumored heh? so no actual proof. Keep those ACC rose colored glasses on....

NOT RUMORED... REPORTED (by Dennis Dodds) - LINK

Quote:The ACC and Big 12 both make about the same amount per year in TV revenue -- $19.8 million for the Big 12, $19.5 million for the ACC.

Those are per team numbers.

(02-11-2013 03:24 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

rumored heh? so no actual proof. Keep those ACC rose colored glasses on....

And we all get excited about those RUMORED Realignment scenarios. And the B12 Tier 3 fairytale.

Fairytale? Texas gets $15M from the LHN and about $10M from its other multimedia IMG deal. That is all before the Tier 1 & Tier 2 $ gets factored in. That is a fairytale? Sure, not every school can have its own network. If you aren't ND, you need to be a football power in a very populated state. FSU would have its own network. What they could make as a Big 12 member makes what they are making in the ACC a colossal joke.

Let me see if I understand this correctly, the B1G and Big 12 are power players that want to expand. The ACC has 6 teams that can't wait to leave even though several have already turned down the BIG (UNC, Duke, & VA). The GoR that will take all of a teams money until 2025 will stand up in court because its not too excessive, but the ACC $50 mil is too excessive and won't stand up in court. Buuuut! The reason no team is moving right now is because they are waiting to see how the courts will rule on the ACC $50 mil (that won't stand up in court) deal.

(02-11-2013 06:06 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:24 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

rumored heh? so no actual proof. Keep those ACC rose colored glasses on....

And we all get excited about those RUMORED Realignment scenarios. And the B12 Tier 3 fairytale.

Fairytale? Texas gets $15M from the LHN and about $10M from its other multimedia IMG deal. That is all before the Tier 1 & Tier 2 $ gets factored in. That is a fairytale? Sure, not every school can have its own network. If you aren't ND, you need to be a football power in a very populated state. FSU would have its own network. What they could make as a Big 12 member makes what they are making in the ACC a colossal joke.

Two minor friendly proofreads.

a- Texas gets 12.5mm on top of the existing radio/signage/etc deal. 2.5 goes to IMG if I remember correctly for overlapping rights.

b- FSU would get a significant amount of revenue. It may not be their own branded network but betting against a school with the following of FSU NOT getting at least 1-2mm for the leftover football and hoops inventory as well as minor sports is likely a losing wager.

(02-11-2013 04:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 02:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  last I checked the ACC was not getting anything remotely close to 19.5 million per school per year. Think the number is closer to 16-17 million. Still have to redo after getting Louisville and ND but losing Maryland....

It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

rumored heh? so no actual proof. Keep those ACC rose colored glasses on....

NOT RUMORED... REPORTED (by Dennis Dodds) - LINK

Quote:The ACC and Big 12 both make about the same amount per year in TV revenue -- $19.8 million for the Big 12, $19.5 million for the ACC.

Those are per team numbers.

Noone but Dodds has reported those numbers and the first time he did he didn't say those were the numbers, he said "more than one person" had told him.

It just doesn't make sense that guaranteeing 2.5 Notre Dame games instead of 1 to 1.5 adds $35 million to the contract (14 teams times (19.5 less 17 prior contract)) when Notre Dame's 7 game contract with NBC pays $15 million. Other people have reported it was going to be around $18 million, a $14 million increase ($1 million/team) which is pretty generous. He's being fed false numbers by the ACC HQ.

(02-11-2013 06:18 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 06:06 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:24 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  It is rumored to be 19.5M after the redo. So the B12 is not more attractive.

rumored heh? so no actual proof. Keep those ACC rose colored glasses on....

And we all get excited about those RUMORED Realignment scenarios. And the B12 Tier 3 fairytale.

Fairytale? Texas gets $15M from the LHN and about $10M from its other multimedia IMG deal. That is all before the Tier 1 & Tier 2 $ gets factored in. That is a fairytale? Sure, not every school can have its own network. If you aren't ND, you need to be a football power in a very populated state. FSU would have its own network. What they could make as a Big 12 member makes what they are making in the ACC a colossal joke.

Two minor friendly proofreads.

a- Texas gets 12.5mm on top of the existing radio/signage/etc deal. 2.5 goes to IMG if I remember correctly for overlapping rights.

b- FSU would get a significant amount of revenue. It may not be their own branded network but betting against a school with the following of FSU NOT getting at least 1-2mm for the leftover football and hoops inventory as well as minor sports is likely a losing wager.

IMG gets 15% of the LHN deal. So an average of $2.25 million over the 20 year life.