(02-10-2013 10:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 10:32 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 10:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 10:14 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 10:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I really see no motivation for the NBE schools to grant anyone fb only quite frankly. Why provide the knife to stab you in the back?

Desperation. What would Memphis, Temple, ECU, Tulane, USF, and UCF do if the MWC offered Houston and SMU full invites along with Cincinnati and UConn as football only? Losing Cincinnati and UConn would be devastating just like the MWC losing Boise would have been devastating to that league. Now Boise has a sweet heart deal with the MWC, it wouldn't be outlandish to believe the Cincinnati and UConn could leverage similar concessions.

I don't see the MWC going to 16 for football and 13 for all other sports. I just don't. Also even if MWC did that- I think for the 6, they just go on with other adds quite frankly- they're not going to bend over backwords and take it up the you know what when they know they'd be getting it the same a year or two later. Any concessions done would require Cincy and UConn to be in for all sports anyways. No football=no luck.

I think the MWC would prefer Cincinnati and UConn as football-only rather than all sports for travel costs. It doesn't make sense for either side to send their Olympic teams cross country on a regular basis. Add two quality Cincinnati and UConn football programs, work up some kind of scheduling agreement with both schools for some marquee basketball match-ups OOC, and hit the ground running with Houston and SMU in your back pocket as well. It definitely makes sense from the MWC's perspective, with that said I don't want Cincinnati in the MWC...it would only be to gain leverage for a football-only membership in the NBE.

I meant any concessions the NBE did would require Cincy and UConn to be in all sports. I don't think there's any chance of the conference allowing them to be in fb only. That's not happening..

And there's this thing about the C7. I think there is 0 chance of them wanting Cincy or UConn quite frankly.

So the question was would the MWC have incentive to invite Cinci and UConn for football only. With SMU and Houston it would be reasonable. Now whether the C7 would want to is another story. I think 12-14 with Cinci and UConn might make sense especially since they have limited consensus on who 12 should be. Add Butler, Creighton, Xavier, Cinci, and UConn for 12 and it solves a lot of problems and you look to add VCU or Richmond, Dayton and St Louis or Wichita State with a little more data.

Then when Cinci and UConn move on they will likely have consensus on the next adds.

(02-10-2013 10:51 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 10:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I meant any concessions the NBE did would require Cincy and UConn to be in all sports. I don't think there's any chance of the conference allowing them to be in fb only. That's not happening..

And there's this thing about the C7. I think there is 0 chance of them wanting Cincy or UConn quite frankly.

I agree, the NBE obviously wouldn't just let them do it, their hand would have to be forced and Cincinnati/UConn threatening to join the MWC taking Houston and SMU with them would absolutely do it.

You are smoking something if you think that the C-7 wouldn't want Cincinnati and Connecticut, both programs are among the top 15 programs of all time.

No it wouldn't. I mean, if they're going to take Houston and SMU they're going to take them. Cincy/UConn wouldn't matter in that situation. I'd see the 6 other schools telling Cincy and UConn to screw off and they'd do other expansion- more east quite frankly(Holland would have a lot of say on this by now). Also, the TV deal value would mean that it's not going to mean as much if some schools leave quite frankly.

C7 won't touch them with a 10 ft pole. Why not? Because you guys will be leaving within 5 years, and that would set the conference back big time. You are the one smoking if you think otherwise.

No. Distance is way too far away to make it feasible.

Quite frankly if the TV value is as low as being talked about now Cincy and UCONN have no leverage to demand anything from the Big East. It's not like losing them at this point would cost the league millions per team, as there aren't millions to lose anymore. At this point it appears the Big East has reached the point where it doesn't matter who is or isn't added the league is worth nothing.

(02-10-2013 10:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  No it wouldn't. I mean, if they're going to take Houston and SMU they're going to take them. Cincy/UConn wouldn't matter in that situation. I'd see the 6 other schools telling Cincy and UConn to screw off and they'd do other expansion- more east quite frankly(Holland would have a lot of say on this by now). Also, the TV deal value would mean that it's not going to mean as much if some schools leave quite frankly.

C7 won't touch them with a 10 ft pole. Why not? Because you guys will be leaving within 5 years, and that would set the conference back big time. You are the one smoking if you think otherwise.

Cincinnati and Connecticut absolutely matter for SMU, Houston, and the rest of the NBE programs, the Big East loses a lot of attractiveness without those programs. Also, who else is left for the NBE to expand?

We already know that the C7 and Connecticut have had dialogue, and apparently a C7 representative approached Memphis already too. Renting Cincinnati and UConn for a couple years before they head to the ACC gives the new league clout, the Big East name, and recognition as a major basketball conference. Once Cincy and UConn leave, they can easily be replaced as there seems to be no consensus on 11 and 12 at this point.

(02-10-2013 11:10 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 10:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  No it wouldn't. I mean, if they're going to take Houston and SMU they're going to take them. Cincy/UConn wouldn't matter in that situation. I'd see the 6 other schools telling Cincy and UConn to screw off and they'd do other expansion- more east quite frankly(Holland would have a lot of say on this by now). Also, the TV deal value would mean that it's not going to mean as much if some schools leave quite frankly.

C7 won't touch them with a 10 ft pole. Why not? Because you guys will be leaving within 5 years, and that would set the conference back big time. You are the one smoking if you think otherwise.

Cincinnati and Connecticut absolutely matter for SMU, Houston, and the rest of the NBE programs, the Big East loses a lot of attractiveness without those programs. Also, who else is left for the NBE to expand?

We already know that the C7 and Connecticut have had dialogue, and apparently a C7 representative approached Memphis already too. Renting Cincinnati and UConn for a couple years before they head to the ACC gives the new league clout, the Big East name, and recognition as a major basketball conference. Once Cincy and UConn leave, they can easily be replaced as there seems to be no consensus on 11 and 12 at this point.

The other key motivation you hint at is the C7 very much want the Big East brand name. If they take Cinci and UConn it gives them tremendous leverage because with those two they can vote to disband the league. The Nbe would have to give up the name. That alone may be reason to rent UConn and Cinci for the short term. The identity of the league would not be a Catholic league but would be the new instantiation of the Big East which is very valuable.

I think you are absolutely going in hope and not in reality.

also- I don't think the C7 has ANY interest in Cincy. They already would have Xavier, won't want 2 in the same city. UConn is different with the history.

(02-10-2013 10:51 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 10:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I meant any concessions the NBE did would require Cincy and UConn to be in all sports. I don't think there's any chance of the conference allowing them to be in fb only. That's not happening..

And there's this thing about the C7. I think there is 0 chance of them wanting Cincy or UConn quite frankly.

I agree, the NBE obviously wouldn't just let them do it, their hand would have to be forced and Cincinnati/UConn threatening to join the MWC taking Houston and SMU with them would absolutely do it.

You are smoking something if you think that the C-7 wouldn't want Cincinnati and Connecticut, both programs are among the top 15 programs of all time.

Cincinnati and UConn are great schools, but I do not want them becoming only partial members with special privileges. I am not so sure the Big East would be much happier with it than with Boise State's demands. It could call UC's bluff.

And probably a big reason the Catholic 7 are leaving, is because they are sick of Cincinnati and UConn actively pursuing other conferences. The moment a couple slots opened in the ACC or possibly if the Big 12 realizes it cannot get ACC schools, they are gone quicker than one can mail a 'thank you' card.

(02-10-2013 11:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are absolutely going in hope and not in reality.

also- I don't think the C7 has ANY interest in Cincy. They already would have Xavier, won't want 2 in the same city. UConn is different with the history.

They are considering Dayton and Xavier. How is that different? Rent Cinci plug in Dayton when they leave.

(02-10-2013 11:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are absolutely going in hope and not in reality.

also- I don't think the C7 has ANY interest in Cincy. They already would have Xavier, won't want 2 in the same city. UConn is different with the history.

How is that hope? Cincinnati and Connecticut are two extremely valuable programs that the Catholic league would love to have (not to mention, Memphis). It doesn't take a homer to see that they are much better additions than SLU, Dayton, VCU, Richmond, etc. and it's not even close.

Cincinnati>Xavier, enough said.

(02-10-2013 11:34 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are absolutely going in hope and not in reality.

also- I don't think the C7 has ANY interest in Cincy. They already would have Xavier, won't want 2 in the same city. UConn is different with the history.

How is that hope? Cincinnati and Connecticut are two extremely valuable programs that the Catholic league would love to have (not to mention, Memphis). It doesn't take a homer to see that they are much better additions than SLU, Dayton, VCU, Richmond, etc. and it's not even close.

Cincinnati>Xavier, enough said.

If it was permanent yes you are right. But the damage that would be done by getting them in there, and having them leave in 2 years would be immense. And, 2 years is a whole hell of a lot more likely.

(02-10-2013 11:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:34 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are absolutely going in hope and not in reality.

also- I don't think the C7 has ANY interest in Cincy. They already would have Xavier, won't want 2 in the same city. UConn is different with the history.

How is that hope? Cincinnati and Connecticut are two extremely valuable programs that the Catholic league would love to have (not to mention, Memphis). It doesn't take a homer to see that they are much better additions than SLU, Dayton, VCU, Richmond, etc. and it's not even close.

Cincinnati>Xavier, enough said.

If it was permanent yes you are right. But the damage that would be done by getting them in there, and having them leave in 2 years would be immense. And, 2 years is a whole hell of a lot more likely.

Even if it meant you got to keep the Big East name?

(02-11-2013 12:36 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:34 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are absolutely going in hope and not in reality.

also- I don't think the C7 has ANY interest in Cincy. They already would have Xavier, won't want 2 in the same city. UConn is different with the history.

How is that hope? Cincinnati and Connecticut are two extremely valuable programs that the Catholic league would love to have (not to mention, Memphis). It doesn't take a homer to see that they are much better additions than SLU, Dayton, VCU, Richmond, etc. and it's not even close.

Cincinnati>Xavier, enough said.

If it was permanent yes you are right. But the damage that would be done by getting them in there, and having them leave in 2 years would be immense. And, 2 years is a whole hell of a lot more likely.

Even if it meant you got to keep the Big East name?

If what we heard was correct with it going to arbitration, the C7 likely get that regardless. Also, if what we heard was right about the C7 getting the name in exchange for staying next year, they have it.

(02-10-2013 08:40 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  That would be bad for both parties. Travel costs would be miserable as the closest team is...Nevada?? And it's not like WVU in the Big 12 where they can pay it from a sizable TV deal. It'd also kill recruiting. Bad bad idea.

Where did you learn geography?! It's either Wyoming, Colorado St, or Air Force, I'm not sure which of those 3. The University of Nevada campus is west of Fresno, and well west of San Diego.

To answer the OP question: none of the potential parties involved want Cincy or UConn in the MWC permanently, but the conference has informed both schools that it would be happy to have their football programs for a year or two should they need emergency housing. Literally a "the option is there if you need it" kind of thing.

Don't see the advantage for any of them just waiting.

(02-10-2013 11:34 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 11:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are absolutely going in hope and not in reality.

also- I don't think the C7 has ANY interest in Cincy. They already would have Xavier, won't want 2 in the same city. UConn is different with the history.

How is that hope? Cincinnati and Connecticut are two extremely valuable programs that the Catholic league would love to have (not to mention, Memphis). It doesn't take a homer to see that they are much better additions than SLU, Dayton, VCU, Richmond, etc. and it's not even close.

Cincinnati>Xavier, enough said.

Xavier > Cincinnati, enough said. They have a top notch basketball program and want to be in the league. Aren't looking for greener pastures and basketball drives their athletic department not football.

I'm really not even that interested in UConn or Memphis either. The BE7 are building a stable league, moving away from FBS schools and revolving door membership.

Hell the only way I'd take any FBS school is if they signed a basketball GOR, that only they would have to sign. That's the kind of special privileges they deserve from our league.

(02-11-2013 04:26 AM)BSBinNNV Wrote:  To answer the OP question: none of the potential parties involved want Cincy or UConn in the MWC permanently, but the conference has informed both schools that it would be happy to have their football programs for a year or two should they need emergency housing. Literally a "the option is there if you need it" kind of thing.

I don't remember reading that. Where are you hearing this info from?

(02-11-2013 07:59 AM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 04:26 AM)BSBinNNV Wrote:  To answer the OP question: none of the potential parties involved want Cincy or UConn in the MWC permanently, but the conference has informed both schools that it would be happy to have their football programs for a year or two should they need emergency housing. Literally a "the option is there if you need it" kind of thing.

I don't remember reading that. Where are you hearing this info from?

Its being made up. And where is the ink on a TV deal anyway that even brought up this topic.

The cart is way in front of the horse here.

I doubt very strongly that the MWC would be interested in Cincy or UConn now. If the MWC makes a move it will be for 1 of 2 reasons, TX school(s), or BYU. Nothing else.

The Front Range schools recruit TX, and really want to get a school there, and BYU has history with the league and would raise the league's profile. Cincy and Uconn simply fill up spots that the league would like to be open should BYU/Houston/SMU begin to look for a new home.

Also really doubt that the C7 want them either. The C7 have a chance at stability, including Uconn or Cincy in your membership creates instability. Sure they might be the best basketball products available, but the C7 have lots of options, there are plenty of other basketball schools that would be very happy to get an invite. Whereas Uconn and Cincy would just view the C7 as a stepping stone.

Short of the TX schools, the folks in the Big East are stuck with each other.

(02-11-2013 07:59 AM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 04:26 AM)BSBinNNV Wrote:  To answer the OP question: none of the potential parties involved want Cincy or UConn in the MWC permanently, but the conference has informed both schools that it would be happy to have their football programs for a year or two should they need emergency housing. Literally a "the option is there if you need it" kind of thing.

I don't remember reading that. Where are you hearing this info from?

Sorry, I should amend that to "I've read that the conference has informed..." Iirc it was in a Ron 7098 post.