(02-12-2013 04:58 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Without the big names, that is the schools that also sponsored football, the Catholic schools will end up be regarded about as highly as the A10. They'd have been better off supporting football more than they did. Without the name exposure during football season, which the football school provided, along with some dominant basketball programs, the C7 will become nothing more than another mid major conference...

Without being associated with us you'd be in CUSA.

Oh and FB brought us negative press while the BBall brought the league positive press. No one ever called the BBall league "Big Least".

You can say we'll be mid majors but the fact that we will get paid more than any Gof5 conference and NOT play FB while being heavily featured on Fox will not have us perceived as anything but a major BBall conference.

The only nationally respected name left in the C7 is Georgetown, who will never reclaim their old glory with JT3. And without the rivalry with Syracuse, the Hoyas will be hard pressed to remain as good as they are currently. Marquette and DePaul are the only other schools who register on the national consciousness, and their claim to fame came before they ever joined...

(02-12-2013 05:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The only nationally respected name left in the C7 is Georgetown, who will never reclaim their old glory with JT3. And without the rivalry with Syracuse, the Hoyas will be hard pressed to remain as good as they are currently. Marquette and DePaul are the only other schools who register on the national consciousness, and their claim to fame came before they ever joined...

People never heard of Villanova, butler or St. John's?

(02-11-2013 10:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Melkey, the non-football schools did hold the football schools back. They were able to because schools like BC, Syracuse, and UConn, founding members of the conference, always sided with the non-football schools against the best interests of football...

Why did those schools do that? Because their first interest was basketball, not football...

The only schools that continually pushed for the improvement of the football product were WVU, Rutgers, and Pitt, with occasional backing from Miami and VT, prior to their exit. But there was never a consensus, or a majority able to overrule the non-football schools, because they kept the membership even, knowing they had the backing of those football schools whose main interest lied outside of football, which gave them confidence in knowing they'd always have control...

1. Fun fact #1 SU has and always will have a winning BIG EAST football record.

2. Fun fact #2 SU is much of the reason why the BIG EAST sponsored football.

3. Fun fact #3 RU almost got booted from the BIG EAST for failing to support their football program. So no, "[t]he only schools that continually pushed for the improvement of the football product were WVU, Rutgers, and Pitt" isn't even close to being accurate.

4. Fun fact #4 SU voted for Penn State against the basketball-only schools. Having PSU in the BIG EAST in the 90's would have saved the conference.

5. Fun fact #5 SU has a winning football record against WVU.

So remind me, other than hiring a bad football coach in the mid 2000's, how exactly did Syracuse kill BIG EAST football?

No longer care, orange fan. The BEast is dead. Long live the Big XII...

(02-12-2013 06:14 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The only nationally respected name left in the C7 is Georgetown, who will never reclaim their old glory with JT3. And without the rivalry with Syracuse, the Hoyas will be hard pressed to remain as good as they are currently. Marquette and DePaul are the only other schools who register on the national consciousness, and their claim to fame came before they ever joined...

People never heard of Villanova, butler or St. John's?

Unless I'm mistaken, Butler isn't a C7 school. The C7 schools are the non-football schools of the Big East, and Butler was never a BEast member...

The vast majority of the nation could care less about Villanova or St. John's...

(02-12-2013 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  No longer care, orange fan. The BEast is dead. Long live the Big XII...

(02-12-2013 06:14 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 05:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The only nationally respected name left in the C7 is Georgetown, who will never reclaim their old glory with JT3. And without the rivalry with Syracuse, the Hoyas will be hard pressed to remain as good as they are currently. Marquette and DePaul are the only other schools who register on the national consciousness, and their claim to fame came before they ever joined...

People never heard of Villanova, butler or St. John's?

Unless I'm mistaken, Butler isn't a C7 school. The C7 schools are the non-football schools of the Big East, and Butler was never a BEast member...

The vast majority of the nation could care less about Villanova or St. John's...

Just like WVU. At least Villanova won a national title.

(02-12-2013 06:32 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The vast majority of the nation could care less about Villanova or St. John's...

StJ maybe, but I think 'Nova still has a name.

(02-12-2013 12:19 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:54 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:08 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I think Tranghese was worst than Marinara...but the league failed when PSU wasn't brought in under Gavitt.

Bringing Penn State into a basketball league was the solution?

Look in the other direction. It was the failure of 2 football schools to leave the basketball league to join Penn State in Paterno's proposed all sports league that was the real problem.

But why was that? Why weren't they and others willing to join Paterno? Maybe you should look for the answer to that question.

Melkey, when Penn State was denied entry into The BEast under Gavitt, they ruined any chance for a meaningful eastern football conference. Penn State was a cornerstone for eastern football. Syracuse and BC didn't join the eastern conference because they were unwilling to give Penn State unequal money on football, which is what Penn State wanted. They were also unwilling to wait around for any compromise, which the other schools opposed to Penn State's demand were trying to work on when they split for The BEast...

However, once The BEast was created, an eastern football conference was still a possibility. All that would have required was for The BEast to accept Penn State's application for membership...

If they had done that, Penn State wouldn't have been in the position of strength, and any football conference created under The BEast flag would have been able to override any demand for unequal revenue sharing, since Penn State wouldn't have been in a position to demand it...

But The BEast said no to Penn State, a new President was chosen in State College, PA, and his priority was joining the B1G. Once that happened, any chance at The BEast forming a true eastern football conference was doomed to failure, which we've all seen come to pass...

Had The BEast accepted Penn State, I seriously doubt they'd have pushed for membership in the B1G. Paterno didn't give up hope for creating an eastern football conference until after The BEast said no...

From what I understand BC and Cuse were pushing to keep them out and then went and sponsored Pitt for membership to fully neuter Paterno's eastern league aspirations. Once again the BBall schools went along with the FB schools wishes to keep them happy and around.

Syracuse actually voted for PSU's admission to the BIG EAST, not against it. That was later revealed.

(02-12-2013 04:18 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Whatever, dude. But let me ask you this, why is The BEast now on the verge of non-existence? I know the answers, and there are more answers than the one which you blithely ignored...

Actually The Big East is not on the verge of non-existence, dude. The core of the original Big East has finally shed its association with football, which it should have done 30 years ago. It will now move forward in an association with like minded partners.

Meanwhile, the eastern football schools have proven that they never had enough in common to stick together as an all sports conference - something that they couldn't do 30 years ago and still couldn't do today. PSU, Rutgers, and Maryland, the 3 big state flagships are together in the Big Ten. BC, SU, and Pitt are together in the ACC. UConn & Temple are stuck with the rest of the nBE dregs. West Virginia is off by itself on an island. Good luck.

Trust me. WVU will be just fine on their island in the B12. We're smiling all the way to the bank...

How about UConn? Where will the Huskies end up? Will it be a nBe? It looks like a lot of incoming members are reconsidering. So the Huskies could end up in CUSA or the MAC...

Or will the Huskies go with the C7, and forget about football relevance?

Crack addict comes to my house, my family makes him dinner, we let him stay in the guest room. Next morning, the guy insults us, swears at my wife, yells at my kids, leaves house, takes a baseball bat, smashes my mailbox, urinates on my car tires, rings my doorbell, and then asks me why my mailbox is smashed and my whitewalls are yellow. Then the guy moves to Outer Mongolia and he thinks we're going to miss him.