(02-11-2013 07:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:20 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  If the Big East schools really wanted to save on travel, they'd allign themselves with CUSA and split into two divisions. But I guess that's below us. Imagine returning to CUSA with our tails between our legs. It makes the most sense, but we're all too proud to do it. That TV deal is a pittance of an offer, but it's not an insult. It's what the conference is really worth.

The Mountain West is one thing. They should make close to 2 million a team (just like the nBE), but they offer more stability, better basketball (once Cinci and UConn leave), and the opportunity to earn more with the national performance bonus.

CUSA offers nothing that is an upgrade. Lower pay, worse football, worse basketball. Worse covereage (at least NBC-Sports is a nation network in 80-90 million homes). Thats similar to ESPN-2. Going back to CUSA is a non-stater.

Please remember Houston officials put a caveat in their Nbe acceptance, that if the tv contract is not within a certain percentage, Houston can withdraw from Nbe without penalty.

(02-11-2013 07:41 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:20 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  If the Big East schools really wanted to save on travel, they'd allign themselves with CUSA and split into two divisions. But I guess that's below us. Imagine returning to CUSA with our tails between our legs. It makes the most sense, but we're all too proud to do it. That TV deal is a pittance of an offer, but it's not an insult. It's what the conference is really worth.

The Mountain West is one thing. They should make close to 2 million a team (just like the nBE), but they offer more stability, better basketball (once Cinci and UConn leave), and the opportunity to earn more with the national performance bonus.

CUSA offers nothing that is an upgrade. Lower pay, worse football, worse basketball. Worse covereage (at least NBC-Sports is a nation network in nearly 90 million homes). Going back to CUSA is a non-stater.

I don't know, but increasing gameday revenue and saving a lot on travel makes more sense, to me, than barely breaking even in a conference that's really not much better than the one we just left. At least we'd all get to drive to all the road games and our own home games would have higher attendance. We'll be damn lucky to get more than $3 million a year in television revenue.

UTEP, North Texas, Tulsa, UH, Rice, Tulane, Louisiana Tech, Southern Mississippi, UTSA, Memphis and SMU sounds like a nice western division to me. But, oh well.

One game against Boise would probably sell more extra tickets that the whole slate of games you describe combined. Nobody on that list would help us sell tickets--its just the same folks we been playing. Why would they suddenly be a boon for our ticket sales now? The answer is they wouldnt be. Those games would be a tough sell in Houston. It is what it is.

(02-11-2013 08:29 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  It is all one great mess. Some leadership from somewhere needs to call time out regarding this Nbe circus expansion and save a lot of wasted energy and time.

Wait and let B1G do its thing, then SEC, and, then B12. Call a joint meeting of whatever is left of Nbe and CUSA and come up with a solution.

Nbe leadership must understand that until B1G, SEC, and B12 expansion is known, any Nbe expansion before then is futile and a never ending agony.

In a way, I agree with you. Id like to see the TV networks, the BCS, the NCAA, and what is left of CUSA, the MW, MAC, Sunbelt and nBE all meet after the upper moves have occurred. Everyone should drop all exit fees and all entry fees. Let everyone associate with who they want to associate with. Those that wish to stay together can. Those that want to move can. Have a one week muilti-conference convention and get it done. The next week, TV networks renegotiate the non-AQ contracts for the newly designed conferences.

At this point, its ridiculous for conferences making 1-2 million a year to even have entry and exit fees. At this level, it should be about improvment. If someone can improve thier program by moving, so be it. The only rule for the conference convention is that at its end, EVERY FBS PLAYING TEAM HAS A CONFERENCE HOME IF THEY WANT ONE. Nobody gets left out.

(02-11-2013 06:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 06:10 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Hard to say. Can a championship game generate enough revenue to make up the difference? Also do you want to go ahead and add teams now expecting to lose some later?

Revenue might not be the driving factor any longer. Reducing expenses by reducing travel might be more important at this low a level of revenue.

Pfft. Travel expenses aren't that much different. It's really not a good excuse. The league already stretches from FL to TX to NE. Pretty much any expansion candidate is within that area or immediately adjacent to it.

(02-11-2013 08:34 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:20 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  If the Big East schools really wanted to save on travel, they'd allign themselves with CUSA and split into two divisions. But I guess that's below us. Imagine returning to CUSA with our tails between our legs. It makes the most sense, but we're all too proud to do it. That TV deal is a pittance of an offer, but it's not an insult. It's what the conference is really worth.

The Mountain West is one thing. They should make close to 2 million a team (just like the nBE), but they offer more stability, better basketball (once Cinci and UConn leave), and the opportunity to earn more with the national performance bonus.

CUSA offers nothing that is an upgrade. Lower pay, worse football, worse basketball. Worse covereage (at least NBC-Sports is a nation network in 80-90 million homes). Thats similar to ESPN-2. Going back to CUSA is a non-stater.

Please remember Houston officials put a caveat in their Nbe acceptance, that if the tv contract is not within a certain percentage, Houston can withdraw from Nbe without penalty.

I think the clause says that if 2012-13 revenue is 25% less than 2011-12 revenue, which isn't happening.

(02-11-2013 09:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 08:34 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:20 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  If the Big East schools really wanted to save on travel, they'd allign themselves with CUSA and split into two divisions. But I guess that's below us. Imagine returning to CUSA with our tails between our legs. It makes the most sense, but we're all too proud to do it. That TV deal is a pittance of an offer, but it's not an insult. It's what the conference is really worth.

The Mountain West is one thing. They should make close to 2 million a team (just like the nBE), but they offer more stability, better basketball (once Cinci and UConn leave), and the opportunity to earn more with the national performance bonus.

CUSA offers nothing that is an upgrade. Lower pay, worse football, worse basketball. Worse covereage (at least NBC-Sports is a nation network in 80-90 million homes). Thats similar to ESPN-2. Going back to CUSA is a non-stater.

Please remember Houston officials put a caveat in their Nbe acceptance, that if the tv contract is not within a certain percentage, Houston can withdraw from Nbe without penalty.

I think the clause says that if 2012-13 revenue is 25% less than 2011-12 revenue, which isn't happening.

I wonder why they selected that year. Its 2013 and after that was the mystery.

(02-11-2013 09:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 09:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 08:34 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:20 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  If the Big East schools really wanted to save on travel, they'd allign themselves with CUSA and split into two divisions. But I guess that's below us. Imagine returning to CUSA with our tails between our legs. It makes the most sense, but we're all too proud to do it. That TV deal is a pittance of an offer, but it's not an insult. It's what the conference is really worth.

The Mountain West is one thing. They should make close to 2 million a team (just like the nBE), but they offer more stability, better basketball (once Cinci and UConn leave), and the opportunity to earn more with the national performance bonus.

CUSA offers nothing that is an upgrade. Lower pay, worse football, worse basketball. Worse covereage (at least NBC-Sports is a nation network in 80-90 million homes). Thats similar to ESPN-2. Going back to CUSA is a non-stater.

Please remember Houston officials put a caveat in their Nbe acceptance, that if the tv contract is not within a certain percentage, Houston can withdraw from Nbe without penalty.

I think the clause says that if 2012-13 revenue is 25% less than 2011-12 revenue, which isn't happening.

I wonder why they selected that year. Its 2013 and after that was the mystery.

It doesn't say "2011-12", but it refers to the fiscal year before the Effective Date (July 1, 2013). After July 1, 2013 it's too late to back out without paying the $5M exit fee.

http://www.cougarinsurance.com/blog/wp-c...ntract.pdf

The mystery is why they bothered with that clause--the football and basketball contracts were known, the NCAA tournament credits were very predictable.

(02-11-2013 09:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 09:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 09:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 08:34 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 07:30 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The Mountain West is one thing. They should make close to 2 million a team (just like the nBE), but they offer more stability, better basketball (once Cinci and UConn leave), and the opportunity to earn more with the national performance bonus.

CUSA offers nothing that is an upgrade. Lower pay, worse football, worse basketball. Worse covereage (at least NBC-Sports is a nation network in 80-90 million homes). Thats similar to ESPN-2. Going back to CUSA is a non-stater.

Please remember Houston officials put a caveat in their Nbe acceptance, that if the tv contract is not within a certain percentage, Houston can withdraw from Nbe without penalty.

I think the clause says that if 2012-13 revenue is 25% less than 2011-12 revenue, which isn't happening.

I wonder why they selected that year. Its 2013 and after that was the mystery.

It doesn't say "2011-12", but it refers to the fiscal year before the Effective Date (July 1, 2013). After July 1, 2013 it's too late to back out without paying the $5M exit fee.

http://www.cougarinsurance.com/blog/wp-c...ntract.pdf

The mystery is why they bothered with that clause--the football and basketball contracts were known, the NCAA tournament credits were very predictable.

Thats what Im saying, it seems to be far better to link it to the expected contract. At that time, everyone expected we would have that answer months ago.

More than likely, this news just opens up the likelihood that Houston goes to the MWC. Assuming the MWC is interested. Putting that "no penalty" clause into their BE contract was a smart move on the part of Houston.

Then I think there is that "dissolve" the Big East issue which could be passed if UConn and Cincy agreed with C7. That could come about. Again, what a mess. This is not the way to do business.

(02-11-2013 10:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Then I think there is that "dissolve" the Big East issue which could be passed if UConn and Cincy agreed with C7. That could come about. Again, what a mess. This is not the way to do business.

What if UConn and Cincinnati join C7 on basketball and Olympic sports and go independent on football like Notre Dame?

Any CUSA school accepting a Nbe invite better load up the acceptance agreement with tons of conditions.....and accept for 2015 and not give notice to CUSA until the last moment to avoid those exit and entry fees if Nbe collapses. It is a true mess and it would be best if Nbe just rest its jets for a while...and wait for the BCS conferences to do their thing.

(02-11-2013 10:55 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Then I think there is that "dissolve" the Big East issue which could be passed if UConn and Cincy agreed with C7. That could come about. Again, what a mess. This is not the way to do business.

What if UConn and Cincinnati join C7 on basketball and Olympic sports and go independent on football like Notre Dame?

Right. The C7 are leaving to find stability and an association with like minded universities and they'd want these two?

(02-11-2013 11:04 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:55 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Then I think there is that "dissolve" the Big East issue which could be passed if UConn and Cincy agreed with C7. That could come about. Again, what a mess. This is not the way to do business.

What if UConn and Cincinnati join C7 on basketball and Olympic sports and go independent on football like Notre Dame?

Right. The C7 are leaving to find stability and an association with like minded universities and they'd want these two?

Exactly

(02-11-2013 11:04 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:55 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Then I think there is that "dissolve" the Big East issue which could be passed if UConn and Cincy agreed with C7. That could come about. Again, what a mess. This is not the way to do business.

What if UConn and Cincinnati join C7 on basketball and Olympic sports and go independent on football like Notre Dame?

Right. The C7 are leaving to find stability and an association with like minded universities and they'd want these two?

You mean two nationally known basketball schools that have shared a league for nearly a decade for Cinci and much longer for UConn. Yeah, they are not like minded at all. The truth is those two bring more to the table than anyone else available. Sure, they will leave in a few years--so what. Xavier and Butler are not going anywhere. They will still be there--or add them now and when UConn and Cinci just split the money less ways.

(02-11-2013 11:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 11:04 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:55 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Then I think there is that "dissolve" the Big East issue which could be passed if UConn and Cincy agreed with C7. That could come about. Again, what a mess. This is not the way to do business.

What if UConn and Cincinnati join C7 on basketball and Olympic sports and go independent on football like Notre Dame?

Right. The C7 are leaving to find stability and an association with like minded universities and they'd want these two?

You mean two nationally known basketball schools that have shared a league for nearly a decade for Cinci and much longer for UConn. Yeah, they are not like minded at all. The truth is those two bring more to the table than anyone else available. Sure, they will leave in a few years--so what. Xavier and Butler are not going anywhere. They will still be there--or add them now and when UConn and Cinci just split the money less ways.

IMO, UCONN and Cincy will not go to the C7 or the MWC. The C7 makes no sense for either side. The C7 is trying to escape the nightmare they had with the hybrid. UCONN and Cincy are no exception. It doesn't make sense for UCONN and Cincy either. They destroy their football programs. They aren't going to go to the MWC and make what they could in the Big East just so they can park basketball for a couple of years. A couple of years is a cake walk and the ACC or whomever won't have forgotten who they are by then. The MWC isn't going to add two teams and split their pie again only to have UCONN and Cincy leave them in two years (or whenever). The attendance at both schools would surely drop with an MWC schedule. Only Boise St. would be a draw. Once game isn't cutting it.

I wish the UCONN and Cincy to the C7 and MWC stuff would stop. It just isn't realistic. You may have someone on one side wanting it but it doesn't appear to be that way on both sides. Half the time, it's just fans with their cockamamie suggestions.

(02-11-2013 06:16 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Not sure, as their position will be better than some conferences but worse than other conferences. They can probably make moves to pull up teams. But I doubt schools in better positions would come to them.

Schools in worse positions may not either given potential increased travel costs coupled with not that much more revenue.

(02-12-2013 09:16 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 11:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 11:04 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:55 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Then I think there is that "dissolve" the Big East issue which could be passed if UConn and Cincy agreed with C7. That could come about. Again, what a mess. This is not the way to do business.

What if UConn and Cincinnati join C7 on basketball and Olympic sports and go independent on football like Notre Dame?

Right. The C7 are leaving to find stability and an association with like minded universities and they'd want these two?

You mean two nationally known basketball schools that have shared a league for nearly a decade for Cinci and much longer for UConn. Yeah, they are not like minded at all. The truth is those two bring more to the table than anyone else available. Sure, they will leave in a few years--so what. Xavier and Butler are not going anywhere. They will still be there--or add them now and when UConn and Cinci just split the money less ways.

IMO, UCONN and Cincy will not go to the C7 or the MWC. The C7 makes no sense for either side. The C7 is trying to escape the nightmare they had with the hybrid. UCONN and Cincy are no exception. It doesn't make sense for UCONN and Cincy either. They destroy their football programs. They aren't going to go to the MWC and make what they could in the Big East just so they can park basketball for a couple of years. A couple of years is a cake walk and the ACC or whomever won't have forgotten who they are by then. The MWC isn't going to add two teams and split their pie again only to have UCONN and Cincy leave them in two years (or whenever). The attendance at both schools would surely drop with an MWC schedule. Only Boise St. would be a draw. Once game isn't cutting it.

I wish the UCONN and Cincy to the C7 and MWC stuff would stop. It just isn't realistic. You may have someone on one side wanting it but it doesn't appear to be that way on both sides. Half the time, it's just fans with their cockamamie suggestions.

You may be right on all counts but from the UConn and Cincy point of view, they would likely want to have their cake and eat it too. If the C7 wants them then they could certainly put their non-FB sports there and still play FB in the nBE. The nBE would not be in a position to force them to be all in. It might lessen the contract some for the nBE to not have UConn and Cincy basketball but the nBE has to have their FB.

Guys, remember this about the MWC

There was heavy talk (rumor, but that is all we have on anything) not that long ago about the MWC-16.

UTEP, Tulsa, SMU, Houston, and BYU were all mentioned.

SMU and apparently Houston told them no at that time, or maybe more correctly told them they preferred to stay east. My feeling is Tulsa wants to go where those two go.

That left UTEP and BYU at the time. Since its been 30+ days and we haven't heard anything on the BYU angle, I assume its a no-go. Obviously UTEP needed someone to go with them as the MWC isn't going to 13.

I personally don't think its a stretch to say that if Houston and SMU changed their mind, you could see the MWC-16 back on the table with Houston, SMU, UTEP, Tulsa. Its certainly not a new idea, its been discussed as an option previously.

The way the MWC TV deal is structured, adding more inventory adds more games to sell. Their Tier 1 is for an already set number of games. So I don't think adding teams splits the pie as much as one would think.

JMHO

(02-12-2013 10:05 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 09:16 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 11:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 11:04 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 10:55 PM)ArQ Wrote:  What if UConn and Cincinnati join C7 on basketball and Olympic sports and go independent on football like Notre Dame?

Right. The C7 are leaving to find stability and an association with like minded universities and they'd want these two?

You mean two nationally known basketball schools that have shared a league for nearly a decade for Cinci and much longer for UConn. Yeah, they are not like minded at all. The truth is those two bring more to the table than anyone else available. Sure, they will leave in a few years--so what. Xavier and Butler are not going anywhere. They will still be there--or add them now and when UConn and Cinci just split the money less ways.

IMO, UCONN and Cincy will not go to the C7 or the MWC. The C7 makes no sense for either side. The C7 is trying to escape the nightmare they had with the hybrid. UCONN and Cincy are no exception. It doesn't make sense for UCONN and Cincy either. They destroy their football programs. They aren't going to go to the MWC and make what they could in the Big East just so they can park basketball for a couple of years. A couple of years is a cake walk and the ACC or whomever won't have forgotten who they are by then. The MWC isn't going to add two teams and split their pie again only to have UCONN and Cincy leave them in two years (or whenever). The attendance at both schools would surely drop with an MWC schedule. Only Boise St. would be a draw. Once game isn't cutting it.

I wish the UCONN and Cincy to the C7 and MWC stuff would stop. It just isn't realistic. You may have someone on one side wanting it but it doesn't appear to be that way on both sides. Half the time, it's just fans with their cockamamie suggestions.

You may be right on all counts but from the UConn and Cincy point of view, they would likely want to have their cake and eat it too. If the C7 wants them then they could certainly put their non-FB sports there and still play FB in the nBE. The nBE would not be in a position to force them to be all in. It might lessen the contract some for the nBE to not have UConn and Cincy basketball but the nBE has to have their FB.

It has to be more than what UCONN and Cincy want though. The MWC has to want them...don't see that happening. The C7 have to want them...don't see that happening. Not sure about the Big East forcing anything. Don't see them caring one way or another (other than hoping they stay all-in). It's not like UCONN and Cincy could force their hand either.