Mr. SEC speculates that Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke and UNC are headed to the Big 10, which will play at least 9 conference games.

(02-13-2013 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Mr. SEC speculates that Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke and UNC are headed to the Big 10, which will play at least 9 conference games.

Well, that would certainly change the landscape and cause chain reactions that we may not like. We will see if it comes to fruition.

Have patience and "go with the flow" if another round hits. We'll all be playing football, basketball, baseball, etc in a quality conference when the music stops.

(02-13-2013 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Mr. SEC speculates that Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke and UNC are headed to the Big 10, which will play at least 9 conference games.

Sure...the Big Ten (14 teams starting in 2014) will soon be jumping to 18 teams.

(02-13-2013 10:08 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Mr. SEC speculates that Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke and UNC are headed to the Big 10, which will play at least 9 conference games.

Well, that would certainly change the landscape and cause chain reactions that we may not like. We will see if it comes to fruition.

Have patience and "go with the flow" if another round hits. We'll all be playing football, basketball, baseball, etc in a quality conference when the music stops.

That's quite debatable if that raid actually happened.

Yeah, I'm sure "Mr SEC" has the inside track to the Big 10. I'm guessing he also reads WVU msg boards.

(02-13-2013 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  ...Duke and UNC...

Nobody adds two schools from the same state anymore, let alone two schools located 10 miles apart.

Just to play B1G commish for a moment, I'd go after Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Florida. Make it clear to the Gators that if they turn me down, I'm offering FSU. Would they care? Who knows? But I'd be getting into FL and planting a huge B1G flag in the South. That would give the B1G 4 new schools & 4 new states.

Remember that if this is happening, it will happen soon. March or April because July is a contractual hard stop for all new ACC teams becoming members subject to full buyout.

pleaseopleaseoplease....

(02-13-2013 10:54 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  ...Duke and UNC...

Nobody adds two schools from the same state anymore, let alone two schools located 10 miles apart.

Just to play B1G commish for a moment, I'd go after Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech and Florida. Make it clear to the Gators that if they turn me down, I'm offering FSU. Would they care? Who knows? But I'd be getting into FL and planting a huge B1G flag in the South. That would give the B1G 4 new schools & 4 new states.

FSU doesnt match the profile of a BigTen school.

Duke and UNC as 17-18 would be a nice pair for them academically and athletically

(02-13-2013 11:07 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  FSU doesnt match the profile of a BigTen school.

I agree. But (1) FSU didn't match the profile of an ACC school when they joined the ACC and (2) Duke doesn't really match the profile of a B1G school save maybe Northwestern. Besides, UF does meet the profile and my idea was just to use FSU as leverage to get UF.

The only thing better than this would be if one of those were BC rather than GT, UNC or Duke.

Not going to happen at 53 million a pop. Duke has no market in NC as their market is in New Jersey. Carolina would not want to give up being the flagship school of the ACC. Virginia might go, but will be an instant bottom feeder where they are middle of the road at best in the ACC. As for GT, I just don't see it happening, but I do understand from a Delany interview a while back that the rust belt is losing population to the south so he was looking for markets outside of the Big 10 boundaries.

UVA and UNC to the B10. VT and NC State to the SEC.

Now that makes sense.

Does ECU get the ACC invite if that happens? Hmmmmmm.....

I still think the ACC would rather go down in flames than invite us.

All four of those schools have been talking to the Big10. Whether the Big10 is listening is another story.

Should that happen, and the southern flank (Miami, Clemson, GTech, and FSU) look to the Big 12, there are some angry folks with what's left: NC State, Wake, and the ESPN expatriates.

(02-13-2013 10:54 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  ...Duke and UNC...

Nobody adds two schools from the same state anymore, let alone two schools located 10 miles apart.

You are falling into the trap of thinking markets mean everything, when time and time again, it has been proven incorrect. That was the entire Big East expansion plan, and look where it got them. The First Big Ten expansion move was Nebraska, which has very little market, but brings national cache. If the Big Ten was to make such a move, Duke would be very valuable because they are a name brand basketball team. Regardless of what you hear about football driving expansion, etc, basketball is FAR more valuable as Tier 3 programming than football (This is why Kansas makes more money on their Tier 3 rights than Oklahoma) which helps the Big Ten Network, and is a big money making sport for the Big Ten overall. But to your other point, you did mention that Duke's "market" is in NJ and NY. Well, guess which market the Big Ten is going after?

If the Big Ten were able to cherry pick teams from the ACC (and to take a line from Frank, if they had to struggle that hard to get Maryland to move, who is in their footprint, was struggling financially, and had no real rivals in the conference, and they STILL did it basically kicking and screaming, getting a Duke, UNC, or UVA would be near impossible - unless another moved forced them to.

For a move to 18 to work for the Big ten, they need another whale so to speak, as you essentially have two nine team conferences and you need anough big fish to carry each side. That means, this only works if they get Notre Dame, the only whale left who fits their model, and might be had at that point - I think the Texas ship has sailed, and with the Big Ten in the catbird seat a program like FSU which doesn't fit what they want, would not be asked (different then when you are in a position of weakness and have to take what you can get). After Notre Dame, the teams that make the most sense are Virginia and North Carolina, culturally, geographically, and, everything else. Virginia Tech and Clemson sort of fits the FSU mold, which leaves Duke, the next most valuable team (Duke is actually more valuable then VPI and Clemson in many regards).

But this is mostly a model in futility, because it's not very likely.

If that does indeed happen then you know what that means. The ACC goes after UConn, Cincinnati, Temple and Memphis and the Big East is officially dead as an all sport conference. South Florida, possibly UCF will be next in line once or should one of the FL schools go to the Big 12. But there's no guarantee that the Big 12 will expand since they would have to share more of the revenue and it's right where the 10 members want it. The SEC could make the next move. But who would be left that would expand their market? So they might stay at 14.

Sorry ECU, Tulane, Houston, SMU, Navy and Tulsa.

(02-13-2013 11:29 AM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  Not going to happen at 53 million a pop. Duke has no market in NC as their market is in New Jersey. Carolina would not want to give up being the flagship school of the ACC. Virginia might go, but will be an instant bottom feeder where they are middle of the road at best in the ACC. As for GT, I just don't see it happening, but I do understand from a Delany interview a while back that the rust belt is losing population to the south so he was looking for markets outside of the Big 10 boundaries.

You're in denial if you really believe what you posted. GT is a highly respected research institution and the Big Ten conference is made up of research universities. So yes, GT would make sense and are considering it.

(02-13-2013 09:57 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Mr. SEC speculates that Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke and UNC are headed to the Big 10, which will play at least 9 conference games.

Add away!!!!!!!!