(02-19-2013 03:04 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I can hear UNC Laughing now. Who would want to go to the B1G?

B1G should invite Alabama next. LOL

wow, it took until now for the Pitt Trolls to start coming on board...

If I'm a Pitt Troll, what are you?

Realistic. You have your head so far up in the sand it's not funny. You think there is a 0% chance of anything happening- the person who is saying la la la la la when truth is being told.

(02-19-2013 02:59 PM)westmc9th Wrote:  Unless people have been hiding something from me I have been given no indication that UNC would even consider the offer. Delany has talked to many of schools to get their feelings, UNC being one of them, but unless someone has been hiding something from me or straight out lying, UNC is not going anywhere.

I think UNC (or just about any school for that matter) would have to "consider" any feelers from the Big Ten. They may decide not to (or at least not be among the first wave), but to not seriously consider and perform due diligence on any Big 10 opportunites would be a huge mistake on its leadership in the current environment.

I can't see UNC going to the big 10 and they stop at 16, think they would go to at least 18. The sec would jump to 16 with nc state and V tech with the outside shot at duke going to the sec instead of one of them or also jumping to 18. THe big 12 would take 4 acc school's, than you got ND. Not sure what they would do, could land in the big 12 with byu getting a football only, join the c7, stick around and acc/nbe merger or how about join the sec without football.

(02-19-2013 03:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:04 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I can hear UNC Laughing now. Who would want to go to the B1G?

B1G should invite Alabama next. LOL

wow, it took until now for the Pitt Trolls to start coming on board...

If I'm a Pitt Troll, what are you?

Realistic. You have your head so far up in the sand it's not funny. You think there is a 0% chance of anything happening- the person who is saying la la la la la when truth is being told.

Even the WVU site is not believing this one.

(02-19-2013 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I can hear UNC Laughing now. Who would want to go to the B1G?

B1G should invite Alabama next. LOL

Pitt would have jumped in a heartbeat if invited.

Why would UNC want to go to the B1G? It makes ZERO sense.

Care to explain?

(02-19-2013 03:03 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  1. I am not sure Navy would ever be a viable option for the ACC. Much like how AF prefaced it to the B12, they are just not on a level enough playing feild to move over in all sports and a FB only deal makes no sense to any of the parties involved.

2. Not sure if UNC takes up the offer, but it does make it a UNC/UVA to B1G or UNC/Duke to SEC choice for UNC. That pretty much means that the ACC as we know it is going to go away.

3. The real issue is going to be how big will the ACC go to, post raid, in an enviroment that is going to be very anti-ACC. The first question is what happens to the ACC TV deal. Everything else will be tied to that. If ESPN just knocks $$ off, then I am not sure the nACC would expand farther than 12. No content for a ACCN under the current designed ACC deal. That would more than likely leave it as Memphis, UCF, UCF, Temple, UConn, and Cinci to go with BC, Wake, Syracuse, Duke or Louisville, and Pitt. If they can go bigger, then we are arguing Tulane, UH, SMU, ECU, and what not.

4. The nBE may never make it off the ground. If the ACC does have an apocalypse, then the nBE is looking at getting gutted. I have said from the very beginning that one of the 3 of the ACC, B12 or BE had to go just due to math. It is not always the weakest that gets killed in all of this, as the WAC found out, but generally the mid-level group. That helps to provide differentiation between the Power 5(4) and the others.

My thoughts.

1- If ND is retained as a partial non-fb member then navy fits well in an ACC that has lost 6 schools. You can add the middies for football only, balance out at a fewer # of teams and split the pie fewer ways. You might also get an additional ND road game every other year as Navy plays them every year as long as they wish.

Say like the ACC loses 6. They could add 3 full time members (Conn, Cincy, USF or UCF) and balance with Navy. Probably a more financially prudent move than adding 4 and having to cut ND a deal. Also right in the middle of the footprint so they could go in any division.

2- IF this is true (which is still a huge if) it would be the kill shot to the ACC fending off raids to lose the Heels.

3- ESPN will determine everything. In a post-raid ACC if ESPN wants the NBE to lose 8 teams, the ACC will do it for a pay grade. If they want only two added to get a 10 team league the remaining ACC will comply. I'd be shocked if a slashed tv deal got less than 13mm though since ESPN was willing to pay almost that to the BE pre-raid.

4- It depends. I still think the BE (depending on timing) could grab USM, Tulsa, and Rice in a heartbeat if they needed them. Those 3 WANT to be with SMU, Rice, Memphis, Tulane, etc more than they want to be with UNT, FIU, or MTSU.

(02-19-2013 01:34 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 01:32 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Boy I would be shocked if UNC accepts this offer and breaks up Tobacco raod. Jim Delany has done more to ruin college football than any other man every born... Delany has no respect for tradition. no real respect for college football.

Isn't he a UNC graduate?

Yes, and he's not just a "normal" UNC graduate. Delany played basketball at UNC for Dean Smith.

I still think PSU to the ACC is much more likely than UNC to the B1G.

Which is what is motivating this talk.

(02-19-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Why would UNC want to go to the B1G? It makes ZERO sense.

Care to explain?

Why does anyone do anything? Money. Money. Money.

(02-19-2013 03:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Why would UNC want to go to the B1G? It makes ZERO sense.

Care to explain?

Why does anyone do anything? Money. Money. Money.

UNC gets plenty of money. $11M from their Tier 3 rights alone.

They are not broke like MD.

(02-19-2013 03:03 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  1. I am not sure Navy would ever be a viable option for the ACC. Much like how AF prefaced it to the B12, they are just not on a level enough playing feild to move over in all sports and a FB only deal makes no sense to any of the parties involved.

2. Not sure if UNC takes up the offer, but it does make it a UNC/UVA to B1G or UNC/Duke to SEC choice for UNC. That pretty much means that the ACC as we know it is going to go away.

3. The real issue is going to be how big will the ACC go to, post raid, in an enviroment that is going to be very anti-ACC. The first question is what happens to the ACC TV deal. Everything else will be tied to that. If ESPN just knocks $$ off, then I am not sure the nACC would expand farther than 12. No content for a ACCN under the current designed ACC deal. That would more than likely leave it as Memphis, UCF, UCF, Temple, UConn, and Cinci to go with BC, Wake, Syracuse, Duke or Louisville, and Pitt. If they can go bigger, then we are arguing Tulane, UH, SMU, ECU, and what not.

4. The nBE may never make it off the ground. If the ACC does have an apocalypse, then the nBE is looking at getting gutted. I have said from the very beginning that one of the 3 of the ACC, B12 or BE had to go just due to math. It is not always the weakest that gets killed in all of this, as the WAC found out, but generally the mid-level group. That helps to provide differentiation between the Power 5(4) and the others.

Lets' say the following.....

1. NBE goes to NBC this week.

2. Down the road the ACC gets raided.

3. ESPN pushes for a NBE/ACC merger therefore killing NBC's move into CFB and keeping ESPN's monopoly of CFB.

They way EXPN has played this whole thing I could see them pushing for the merger to kill NBCs dreams before they ever get off the ground.

ESPN could match the deal if they wanted but it would be easier to kill the league like they have been trying to for some time now.

(02-19-2013 03:23 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Why would UNC want to go to the B1G? It makes ZERO sense.

Care to explain?

Why does anyone do anything? Money. Money. Money.

UNC gets plenty of money. $11M from their Tier 3 rights alone.

They are not broke like MD.

What's a few million more? No they're not broke, but maybe they like the sound of even MORE money...

(02-19-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Why would UNC want to go to the B1G? It makes ZERO sense.

Care to explain?

Honestly, I don't know that they would. But many people believe it to be true, or at least believe that there is a grain of truth in the report. It's hardly the equivalent of Delany inviting Alabama -- as if Delany would ever ever invite a crap academic school like Alabama, right?

Quote:I still think PSU to the ACC is much more likely than UNC to the B1G.

Why would PSU go to the ACC? Care to explain?

Matt Hayes ‏@Matt_HayesSN
Classic Twitter "buzz" #UNC with #B1G offer. UNC has had a standing B1G offer since B1G was at 11 teams. Carry on, Twitterverse.

So a couple Million is going to sway UNC? Wake up people.

(02-19-2013 03:29 PM)moo Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Why would UNC want to go to the B1G? It makes ZERO sense.

Care to explain?

Honestly, I don't know that they would. But many people believe it to be true, or at least believe that there is a grain of truth in the report. It's hardly the equivalent of Delany inviting Alabama -- as if Delany would ever ever invite a crap academic school like Alabama, right?

Quote:I still think PSU to the ACC is much more likely than UNC to the B1G.

Why would PSU go to the ACC? Care to explain?

To play in an EASTERN league with Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Miami, ND, and others.

UNC is not moving to the Midwest.

(02-19-2013 03:24 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:03 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  1. I am not sure Navy would ever be a viable option for the ACC. Much like how AF prefaced it to the B12, they are just not on a level enough playing feild to move over in all sports and a FB only deal makes no sense to any of the parties involved.

2. Not sure if UNC takes up the offer, but it does make it a UNC/UVA to B1G or UNC/Duke to SEC choice for UNC. That pretty much means that the ACC as we know it is going to go away.

3. The real issue is going to be how big will the ACC go to, post raid, in an enviroment that is going to be very anti-ACC. The first question is what happens to the ACC TV deal. Everything else will be tied to that. If ESPN just knocks $$ off, then I am not sure the nACC would expand farther than 12. No content for a ACCN under the current designed ACC deal. That would more than likely leave it as Memphis, UCF, UCF, Temple, UConn, and Cinci to go with BC, Wake, Syracuse, Duke or Louisville, and Pitt. If they can go bigger, then we are arguing Tulane, UH, SMU, ECU, and what not.

4. The nBE may never make it off the ground. If the ACC does have an apocalypse, then the nBE is looking at getting gutted. I have said from the very beginning that one of the 3 of the ACC, B12 or BE had to go just due to math. It is not always the weakest that gets killed in all of this, as the WAC found out, but generally the mid-level group. That helps to provide differentiation between the Power 5(4) and the others.

Lets' say the following.....

1. NBE goes to NBC this week.

2. Down the road the ACC gets raided.

3. ESPN pushes for a NBE/ACC merger therefore killing NBC's move into CFB and keeping ESPN's monopoly of CFB.

They way EXPN has played this whole thing I could see them pushing for the merger to kill NBCs dreams before they ever get off the ground.

ESPN could match the deal if they wanted but it would be easier to kill the league like they have been trying to for some time now.

As much as I would want my school to get into the ACC, this is just too much tinfoil hat for me to believe. It would be cheaper for ESPN to just match the NBC offer.

(02-19-2013 01:28 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  https://twitter.com/insidemdsports

This is the guy who broke the Maryland to B1G story in November. He is now saying that UVA and UNC have invites to the B1G.

Quote:Jeff Ermann ‏@insidemdsports
Big 10 talk buzzing again. #UVA being mentioned often as likely to join. Georgia Tech still in the mix. #UNC, the big domino, has an offer.

Jeff Ermann ‏@insidemdsports
UNC? Real life, I believe. RT@NYTerp1413 is it a real offer or just a school on the accepted list...

Jeff Ermann ‏@insidemdsports
I'm speaking out of turn, but I'd say the Big 10 likely views GT and UVA as 8s ... And UNC as Kate Upton. Heels are the apocalyptic domino.

Jeff Ermann ‏@insidemdsports
Not sure. But it's churning. RT@mjotwits Anyone else reporting these schools possibly joining Big 10? Big 10 kept things quiet with MD & Rut

Carolina has had an offer from the B1G for quite some time..........we'll get back to 'em sometime.

(02-19-2013 03:26 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:23 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:19 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 03:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Why would UNC want to go to the B1G? It makes ZERO sense.

Care to explain?

Why does anyone do anything? Money. Money. Money.

UNC gets plenty of money. $11M from their Tier 3 rights alone.

They are not broke like MD.

What's a few million more? No they're not broke, but maybe they like the sound of even MORE money...

I think the real issue isn't making more money, it is making sure that they are going to always be in a stronger position than NC State...

Very simply we are back to game theory. If everyone stays, then UNC is in the best possible position. If UVA and GT move and UNC drags their feet, it is always possible that NC St could take the SEC spot if UNC refuses to abandon the ACC. So the question is do you make the choice on the B1G or the SEC right now or wait hoping that noone else makes a choice for you and you get pressed into having to take whatever plan B is to make sure that NC state doesn't pass you.

If NC State went to the SEC after UNC went to the B1G, they are still at status quo. If NC State goes the B12 after UNC has gone to the SEC, we are still at status quo. If UNC refuses to budge, then UNC is in a position that they are not familiar with; NCST is making more money adn ahs the better set of contacts than UNC.