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It appears Nbe fans are finally realizing today's realities and adjusting to it.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=619599

The Florida and Texas schools would neet to be spit up to avoid the problems that plagued the Southwest Conference. To draw national attention, there should be a 4-team playoff. The football divisional structure should be altered for basketball and Olympic sports to minimize travel costs and student time out of the classroom.

CUSA/NORTHEAST:
Temple/Marshall, ODU/Navy, ECU/Charlotte

CUSA/SOUTHEAST:
UCF/USF, UAB/Southern Miss, Middle Tennessee/LaTech

CUSA/GULF:
Tulane/Memphis, SMU/Houston, FIU/FAU

CUSA/SOUTHWEST:
Tulsa/Missouri State, UNT/Rice, UTSA/UTEP
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Please cut the cord!!!!!!!

We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

Not saying Tulsa and UH will never share the same conference again but we will never go backwards.

We have tried to exaplain time and time again the following in order of likelyhood:

1. NBE survives as is plus 1.
2. ACC raids NBE it rebuilds (with the best of the rest not a merger)
3. ACC is raided and does not take UH. UH goes to the MWC.
4. ACC is raided and the NBE folds into the ACC

There is no scenario where UH and CUSA coexist ever again.
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Looks like a new 1aa division.
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Never going to happen. If it did, move memphis out with tulsa, take tulane down to tech. Then drop Mo St, add wku pairing them with mt. No sense in adding an fcs team if you do not have too. Brings in a new state. Not to mention the familiarity of most teams and the 100 MILES OF HATE.
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Funny stuff from Tallgrass as usual.
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No Tulsa fan would ask for this.
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(02-20-2013 11:29 AM)Tulsafanzz Wrote:  No Tulsa fan would ask for this.

Agreed...
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(02-20-2013 09:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Please cut the cord!!!!!!!

We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

Not saying Tulsa and UH will never share the same conference again but we will never go backwards.

We have tried to exaplain time and time again the following in order of likelyhood:

1. NBE survives as is plus 1.
2. ACC raids NBE it rebuilds (with the best of the rest not a merger)
3. ACC is raided and does not take UH. UH goes to the MWC.
4. ACC is raided and the NBE folds into the ACC

There is no scenario where UH and CUSA coexist ever again.

If specific Houston fans were capable of stepping back and looking at it objectively, your reaction to the concept Tallgrass mentioned says a LOT more about your school than about CUSA.

What is going to happen is the formation of an Eastern-based conference and Western-based conference (they could be two divisions of one conference, but there is no practical reason to do that if they jointly leverage a media rights package). It would be absurd to create a new conference the structure of an existing one is in place. Depending on the conditions the C7 can secure upon their exit, the nBE structure could be less profitable than CUSA structure. In any case, when this scenario emerges what difference does it make what the Eastern group is called? The Eastern "group" will most likely be nBE (minus Cincy & UCONN and minus the Texas schools) + CUSA 3.0 (minus Tulsa and the Texas schools) for a total of 8 or 12, and the Western "group" will be the Texas nBE schools + MWC + Tulsa + Texas CUSA 3.0 for a matching total of 8 or 12.

Ok, Houston would definitely be in the Western "group" and if you want to call that MWC go ahead...the MWC and CUSA names may be retained in any case. But what the hell difference does it make?*

*There's really no difference now, but there's hardly anything of that dead horse left to beat so I'm not even looking for a stick.
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Let's say UConn and Cincy get an invite to go ACC because the Big 10 has raided the ACC.

That leaves: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis, Tulane, SMU, Houston and maybe Navy.

Those 8 have three options.
#1. Go back to CUSA
#2. Stay together and invite 2, 4, or 6 other schools.
#3. Split the sheets roughly east/west and start on their own leagues.

I think the likely outcome is #2, followed by #3.

The money won't be any godsend above CUSA but it is a chance to re-position the programs culling the schools perceived as low producers.

Would Houston and SMU be jumping up and down to invite UAB? Probably not but Memphis and Temple might be glad to add a historically strong basketball program to their group.
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(02-20-2013 12:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 09:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Please cut the cord!!!!!!!

We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

Not saying Tulsa and UH will never share the same conference again but we will never go backwards.

We have tried to exaplain time and time again the following in order of likelyhood:

1. NBE survives as is plus 1.
2. ACC raids NBE it rebuilds (with the best of the rest not a merger)
3. ACC is raided and does not take UH. UH goes to the MWC.
4. ACC is raided and the NBE folds into the ACC

There is no scenario where UH and CUSA coexist ever again.

If specific Houston fans were capable of stepping back and looking at it objectively, your reaction to the concept Tallgrass mentioned says a LOT more about your school than about CUSA.

What is going to happen is the formation of an Eastern-based conference and Western-based conference (they could be two divisions of one conference, but there is no practical reason to do that if they jointly leverage a media rights package). It would be absurd to create a new conference the structure of an existing one is in place. Depending on the conditions the C7 can secure upon their exit, the nBE structure could be less profitable than CUSA structure. In any case, when this scenario emerges what difference does it make what the Eastern group is called? The Eastern "group" will most likely be nBE (minus Cincy & UCONN and minus the Texas schools) + CUSA 3.0 (minus Tulsa and the Texas schools) for a total of 8 or 12, and the Western "group" will be the Texas nBE schools + MWC + Tulsa + Texas CUSA 3.0 for a matching total of 8 or 12.

Ok, Houston would definitely be in the Western "group" and if you want to call that MWC go ahead...the MWC and CUSA names may be retained in any case. But what the hell difference does it make?*

*There's really no difference now, but there's hardly anything of that dead horse left to beat so I'm not even looking for a stick.

After the fall...

EAST: Temple, Marshall, ODU, CHarlotte, ECU, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, UAB (10 teams)

WEST: MTU, Tulane, LaTech, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT (10 teams)

This is the mix that will be arranged (of, if you will, re-arranged). It might be within one conference. It could be in two conferences, but indistinguishable to the general public.
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(02-20-2013 02:02 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  After the fall...

EAST: Temple, Marshall, ODU, CHarlotte, ECU, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, UAB (10 teams)

WEST: MTU, Tulane, LaTech, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT (10 teams)

This is the mix that will be arranged (of, if you will, re-arranged). It might be within one conference. It could be in two conferences, but indistinguishable to the general public.

03-puke03-puke03-puke

Just stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(02-20-2013 02:02 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 12:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 09:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Please cut the cord!!!!!!!

We are gone and NEVER coming back. We will never be in any incarnation of CUSA EVER again.

Not saying Tulsa and UH will never share the same conference again but we will never go backwards.

We have tried to exaplain time and time again the following in order of likelyhood:

1. NBE survives as is plus 1.
2. ACC raids NBE it rebuilds (with the best of the rest not a merger)
3. ACC is raided and does not take UH. UH goes to the MWC.
4. ACC is raided and the NBE folds into the ACC

There is no scenario where UH and CUSA coexist ever again.

If specific Houston fans were capable of stepping back and looking at it objectively, your reaction to the concept Tallgrass mentioned says a LOT more about your school than about CUSA.

What is going to happen is the formation of an Eastern-based conference and Western-based conference (they could be two divisions of one conference, but there is no practical reason to do that if they jointly leverage a media rights package). It would be absurd to create a new conference the structure of an existing one is in place. Depending on the conditions the C7 can secure upon their exit, the nBE structure could be less profitable than CUSA structure. In any case, when this scenario emerges what difference does it make what the Eastern group is called? The Eastern "group" will most likely be nBE (minus Cincy & UCONN and minus the Texas schools) + CUSA 3.0 (minus Tulsa and the Texas schools) for a total of 8 or 12, and the Western "group" will be the Texas nBE schools + MWC + Tulsa + Texas CUSA 3.0 for a matching total of 8 or 12.

Ok, Houston would definitely be in the Western "group" and if you want to call that MWC go ahead...the MWC and CUSA names may be retained in any case. But what the hell difference does it make?*

*There's really no difference now, but there's hardly anything of that dead horse left to beat so I'm not even looking for a stick.

After the fall...

EAST: Temple, Marshall, ODU, CHarlotte, ECU, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, UAB (10 teams)

WEST: MTU, Tulane, LaTech, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT (10 teams)

This is the mix that will be arranged (of, if you will, re-arranged). It might be within one conference. It could be in two conferences, but indistinguishable to the general public.

You really think that Houston, SMU, Tulsa, ECU, UCF would be "indistinguishable" from Middle Tennessee St, UTSA, FIU, FAU, UNT?
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(02-20-2013 12:58 PM)blazr Wrote:  If specific Houston fans were capable of stepping back and looking at it objectively, your reaction to the concept Tallgrass mentioned says a LOT more about your school than about CUSA.

I am objective. Hence why my thought was even a gutted ACC is our least likely landing spot. Of course any of us would want to be in the ACC, SEC, B10, B12, or the P12.

The Big East in all forms is option 1. The Mountain West is likely option 2 (uggghh please no).

Let’s just play this game of Cincy, UConn, and Navy gone to prove how any (more likely) scenario I can come up with will be more desirable than the garbage Tallgrass keeps throwing against the wall to see if it sticks.

Temple, UH, SMU, Memphis, ECU, UCF, USF, and Tulane. So we would need to add at a minimum 2 teams and more likely 4.

Tulsa and Southern Miss are my options 1 and 2 to get to 10. At that point CUSA options are exhausted. We have taken the cream of CUSA (+Tulane) and left the rest to wither on the vine. We would look for 2 more schools as 13 and 14 from elsewhere.

Yes that would mean 9 out of those 10 schools would have played in CUSA at some point and would in essence be the CUSA you think I am bashing but CUSA 2013/2014 is not the CUSA of even 2003 when we had a pretty good league (with a crappy name).

Going to that dumpster fire Tallgrass is proposing would be 10 steps back instead of even treading water.

Sorry to burst your bubble but nobody is coming back to CUSA and that is being objective.
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(02-20-2013 02:38 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(02-20-2013 02:02 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  After the fall...

EAST: Temple, Marshall, ODU, CHarlotte, ECU, UCF, USF, FIU, FAU, UAB (10 teams)

WEST: MTU, Tulane, LaTech, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, UTSA, UNT (10 teams)

This is the mix that will be arranged (of, if you will, re-arranged). It might be within one conference. It could be in two conferences, but indistinguishable to the general public.

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Just stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At what point do you stop reacting to the insane homeless guy in front of the corner store mumbling lunacies before you just ignore him? I mean why even respond?
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(02-20-2013 02:46 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  You really think that Houston, SMU, Tulsa, ECU, UCF would be "indistinguishable" from Middle Tennessee St, UTSA, FIU, FAU, UNT?

Thank you!

Someone gets it. I have always hated the name but CUSA pre 1st BE raid was a great league if allowed to grow.

CUSA going forward is not even in the same conversation.
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I'd love for MTSU to have the chance to have played any nBE in football or basketball this year. They went 1-0 against the only nBE they played and 7-0 vs. new CUSA. In football they only played Memphis so that doesn't count for much.
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When Georgia and Oklahoma won their lawsuit that NCAA did not control their tv rights but the respective college did, Oklahoma fans went wild. THey thought they would be on ABC, or CBS, or NBC every afternoon and make jillions of dollars to boot! But surprise, it didn't happen that way.

Schools like KSU, ISU, and OSU wanted to be on tv so badly that they cut the price they would take...if only they could be on tv. Then tv discovered it could put on four or five regional games of lesser teams and still draw strong tv numbers. In the end, Oklahoma U had to cede its tv rights to the conference so it would not get cut in tv dollars and the conferences negotiated the tv rights.

With Nbe and CUSA in their present membership, they compete against each other....rather than enhance each other. If the maximum tv dollars are to be realized, these two conferences will need to negotiate as one. Otherwise, they will be put in a position of undercutting each other.

The BIg East is neither. Nbe fans must realize they are not as good as they claim and the CUSA schools are not as bad as Nbe fans also claim. Middle Tennessee has walloped Memphis repeatedly; Tulane can only dream of what LaTech has accomplished. Temple, like Houston and SMU, was dumped by its previous conference. One would think that with a paltry $2M per Nbe school that Nbe would come to their senses. Based on some of the posts and threads on Nbe board, it appears that is what is happening.
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(02-20-2013 04:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  When Georgia and Oklahoma won their lawsuit that NCAA did not control their tv rights but the respective college did, Oklahoma fans went wild. THey thought they would be on ABC, or CBS, or NBC every afternoon and make jillions of dollars to boot! But surprise, it didn't happen that way.

Schools like KSU, ISU, and OSU wanted to be on tv so badly that they cut the price they would take...if only they could be on tv. Then tv discovered it could put on four or five regional games of lesser teams and still draw strong tv numbers. In the end, Oklahoma U had to cede its tv rights to the conference so it would not get cut in tv dollars and the conferences negotiated the tv rights.

With Nbe and CUSA in their present membership, they compete against each other....rather than enhance each other. If the maximum tv dollars are to be realized, these two conferences will need to negotiate as one. Otherwise, they will be put in a position of undercutting each other.

The BIg East is neither. Nbe fans must realize they are not as good as they claim and the CUSA schools are not as bad as Nbe fans also claim. Middle Tennessee has walloped Memphis repeatedly; Tulane can only dream of what LaTech has accomplished. Temple, like Houston and SMU, was dumped by its previous conference. One would think that with a paltry $2M per Nbe school that Nbe would come to their senses. Based on some of the posts and threads on Nbe board, it appears that is what is happening.

Through realignment history, schools have always chosen to align with the strongest group of schools available. Depending on the damage, the remains of the nBE, along with a couple of CUSA schools might align with the MW. On the other hand, the MW may just poach the strongest 4 to 6 schools and let the leftovers merge into some sort of eastern league--perhaps a CUSA-Sunbelt merger. A CUSA-BE merger flies in the face of every realignment move prior to today.
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(02-20-2013 04:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  With Nbe and CUSA in their present membership, they compete against each other....rather than enhance each other. If the maximum tv dollars are to be realized, these two conferences will need to negotiate as one. Otherwise, they will be put in a position of undercutting each other.

The "big ticket item" now for the rest of us is exposure. "IF" the rumored time slots on NBC Sports and broadcast NBC are true it a no brainer as bad as the money is. Its still better than CUSA and the exposure is lightyears ahead that could lead to bigger money (or conferences...) down the road.

(02-20-2013 04:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Nbe fans must realize they are not as good as they claim and the CUSA schools are not as bad as Nbe fans also claim. Middle Tennessee has walloped Memphis repeatedly

Who hasn't? In football.

(02-20-2013 04:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Tulane can only dream of what LaTech has accomplished.

LaTech has had a nice run and are no laughing stock but you act like they are LSU or something!.... The bar is higher yes but its not that high.


(02-20-2013 04:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Temple, like Houston and SMU, was dumped by its previous conference.

As would have Baylor and Tech if not for politics. Also people tend to forget that the Big 8 wanted a full merger of the SWC and the Big 8 but Texas squashed that. You act like we were a perennial bottom feeder when the league ended.

Were we bad the last year or so? Yes, but you can't overlook our history in said conference. We were far from "dumped" we were out flanked in the political arena.

(02-20-2013 04:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One would think that with a paltry $2M per Nbe school that Nbe would come to their senses.

Still 1 million more than CUSA is paying and if true waaaaaayyyy better tv slots. Not to mention that was only for tier 1 rights. We still have tiers 2 & 3 to sell for more money.
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