Ght.

(02-23-2013 11:11 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 10:21 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  ?

(02-22-2013 02:59 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Would be a great bowl for both of these conferences. NFW does the NBE retain this bowl now.

Conference realignment is not dead. It has simply taken a pause until the Md law suit is settled.
Big would make sense because they travel well and it now has a piece of NYV tv market. Only cuse from acc would bring any fans. Even that is because most cuse students and alumni are from NYC metro area. The rest of the acc would bring empty seats to this game.

Cuse brought a ton of folks down from Upstate NY for the game, not just NYC Metro Cuse fans. BC, Pitt, UVA, VTech and the NC schools are all within a doable drive. Don't sell the ACC short.

Better Bowls?
Since 2010:
December 30, 2011 New Era Pinstripe Bowl Iowa State Win 27–13
December 28, 2012 Russell Athletic Bowl Virginia Tech Loss 13–10

I'd say that is pretty much a wash to two Cuse Pinstripe Bowl Appearances. VTech was 6-5. Pinstripe last year pulled a 3.4 rating while the Russell pulled a 2.5 rating.

BTW here is the list of the rest of the better bowls Rutgers has gone to:
December 16, 1978 Garden State Bowl Arizona State Loss 34–18
December 27, 2005 Insight Bowl Arizona State Loss 45–40
December 28, 2006 Texas Bowl Kansas State Win 37–10
January 5, 2008 International Bowl Ball State Win 52–30
December 29, 2008 PapaJohns.com Bowl NC St Win 29–23
December 19, 2009 St. Petersburg Bowl UCF Win 45–24

How can you say with a straight face you've been to better bowls? Cuse has been to numerous New Years Day Bowls.

Right, bc and pitt are notorious for how bad they travel. Southern acc schools aren't bringing thousands of fans to watch football in Da Bronx in winter at an outdoor baseball stadium. The only real reason cuse fans showed was because your program is in an overall down cycle and these two games represented an unlikely opportunity for post season play.

(02-23-2013 02:23 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:03 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 04:57 PM)AntiG Wrote:  its a better fit for B1G and ACC anyway... NYC cares about Rutgers, Notre Dame, Penn State and a smattering of Syracuse and UConn in terms of college football. Once the ACC gets taken for a few more teams, UConn will be added anyway.

Its basically Rutgers' annual consolation prize whenver we don't get our job done at the end of season... (i don't mind the 20 min subway ride!)

NYC doesn't care about Rutgers. NJ cares about Rutgers. NYC generally looks down on everything NJ.

Why only a couple hundred Rutgers fans at MSG? Why did Cuse draw comparable crowds to the Pinstripe Bowl yet it is 4 hrs away?

*Actually we ha dmore fans (on average) during our Pinstripe Bowls than RU did, but we did have better matchups. However, we also had MUCH worse weather, which arguably countered the advantage of having better matchups. We also got ratings in both games. In fact, the WVU game was substantially better.

It's also worth noting that although RU had more fans in the game, we had more tickets sold* the week that we played USC in the Meadowlands, and we had better ratings. However, we played a bigger named team, which may or may not have hurt our attendance (tickets were very expensive and many thought that the game was hopeless), so it's hard to compare. That said, at best (from RU's perspective), RU and SU fb have a comperable following in the city and SU has an undeniably more popular lax and bball team in NYC, despite being half the state of NY away.

*RU gave away a TON of tix.

You know what else is worth noting? While Cuse was playing in front of 40k at the meadowlands vs USC, 20 miles down the turnpike Rutgers was playing in front of 50k vs freaking Howard.

Rutgers is by far the bigger draw in NY and NJ. Have fun in the big east reborn.

(02-23-2013 04:31 PM)Strings74 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 02:23 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:03 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 04:57 PM)AntiG Wrote:  its a better fit for B1G and ACC anyway... NYC cares about Rutgers, Notre Dame, Penn State and a smattering of Syracuse and UConn in terms of college football. Once the ACC gets taken for a few more teams, UConn will be added anyway.

Its basically Rutgers' annual consolation prize whenver we don't get our job done at the end of season... (i don't mind the 20 min subway ride!)

NYC doesn't care about Rutgers. NJ cares about Rutgers. NYC generally looks down on everything NJ.

Why only a couple hundred Rutgers fans at MSG? Why did Cuse draw comparable crowds to the Pinstripe Bowl yet it is 4 hrs away?

*Actually we ha dmore fans (on average) during our Pinstripe Bowls than RU did, but we did have better matchups. However, we also had MUCH worse weather, which arguably countered the advantage of having better matchups. We also got ratings in both games. In fact, the WVU game was substantially better.

It's also worth noting that although RU had more fans in the game, we had more tickets sold* the week that we played USC in the Meadowlands, and we had better ratings. However, we played a bigger named team, which may or may not have hurt our attendance (tickets were very expensive and many thought that the game was hopeless), so it's hard to compare. That said, at best (from RU's perspective), RU and SU fb have a comperable following in the city and SU has an undeniably more popular lax and bball team in NYC, despite being half the state of NY away.

*RU gave away a TON of tix.

You know what else is worth noting? While Cuse was playing in front of 40k at the meadowlands vs USC, 20 miles down the turnpike Rutgers was playing in front of 50k vs freaking Howard.

Rutgers is by far the bigger draw in NY and NJ. Have fun in the big east reborn.

Shocking, people in Jersey like Rutgers. What exactly does playing a home game in NJ have to do with the NY market?

(02-23-2013 07:13 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 04:31 PM)Strings74 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 02:23 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 07:03 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 04:57 PM)AntiG Wrote:  its a better fit for B1G and ACC anyway... NYC cares about Rutgers, Notre Dame, Penn State and a smattering of Syracuse and UConn in terms of college football. Once the ACC gets taken for a few more teams, UConn will be added anyway.

Its basically Rutgers' annual consolation prize whenver we don't get our job done at the end of season... (i don't mind the 20 min subway ride!)

NYC doesn't care about Rutgers. NJ cares about Rutgers. NYC generally looks down on everything NJ.

Why only a couple hundred Rutgers fans at MSG? Why did Cuse draw comparable crowds to the Pinstripe Bowl yet it is 4 hrs away?

*Actually we ha dmore fans (on average) during our Pinstripe Bowls than RU did, but we did have better matchups. However, we also had MUCH worse weather, which arguably countered the advantage of having better matchups. We also got ratings in both games. In fact, the WVU game was substantially better.

It's also worth noting that although RU had more fans in the game, we had more tickets sold* the week that we played USC in the Meadowlands, and we had better ratings. However, we played a bigger named team, which may or may not have hurt our attendance (tickets were very expensive and many thought that the game was hopeless), so it's hard to compare. That said, at best (from RU's perspective), RU and SU fb have a comperable following in the city and SU has an undeniably more popular lax and bball team in NYC, despite being half the state of NY away.

*RU gave away a TON of tix.

You know what else is worth noting? While Cuse was playing in front of 40k at the meadowlands vs USC, 20 miles down the turnpike Rutgers was playing in front of 50k vs freaking Howard.

Rutgers is by far the bigger draw in NY and NJ. Have fun in the big east reborn.

Shocking, people in Jersey like Rutgers. What exactly does playing a home game in NJ have to do with the NY market?

Because NYC follows Rutgers football.

(02-22-2013 04:05 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Happened to be in NYC that day. It was absolutely miserable. Wet snow/ freezing rain/ sloppy. Ugh.

There is a word for that... football weather!