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RE: Big 10 expansion wish list according to Athlon
(02-24-2013 10:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-23-2013 01:14 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Notre Dame
Texas
North Carolina
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Kansas
Missouri
Duke
Syracuse
Florida State

Anyone outside of the above schools would surprise me.


Obviously, ND does not want to join a football conference.

If ND is "forced" to join the Big Ten, that conference will have to deal with thousands of pissed off ND alumni and fans who will hate that conference even more and root passionately that their "conference brethren" lose every game they play, every bowl game, every OOC game.

Many will actively hope that the conference they are in implodes and dies. They will despise their own conference and consider themselves "behind enemy lines".

ND will be a malcontent in any conference that "forces" them to join. The anger and hatred will be palpable for a generation, at least.

Some may think that I am overreacting to this and represent the "outlier" example of an ND fan who hates the Big Ten, or that ND fans will be pacified little sheep who will happily and unthinkingly fall into line and be joyfully assimilated Borg into the Big Ten.

I don't think so. I think it would be like the Republic of Ireland annexing a million raving, angry Northern Irish Protestants by hostile force against their will.

It would be an ugly "marriage".

Why in the hell would anyone want this? It boggles my mind.

Maybe Delany thinks the IRA is a retirement account?
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(02-24-2013 11:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-23-2013 01:14 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Notre Dame
Texas
North Carolina
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Kansas
Missouri
Duke
Syracuse
Florida State

Anyone outside of the above schools would surprise me.


Obviously, ND does not want to join a football conference.

If ND is "forced" to join the Big Ten, that conference will have to deal with thousands of pissed off ND alumni and fans who will hate that conference even more and root passionately that their "conference brethren" lose every game they play, every bowl game, every OOC game.

Many will actively hope that the conference they are in implodes and dies. They will despise their own conference and consider themselves "behind enemy lines".

ND will be a malcontent in any conference that "forces" them to join. The anger and hatred will be palpable for a generation, at least.

Some may think that I am overreacting to this and represent the "outlier" example of an ND fan who hates the Big Ten, or that ND fans will be pacified little sheep who will happily and unthinkingly fall into line and be joyfully assimilated Borg into the Big Ten.

I don't think so. I think it would be like the Republic of Ireland annexing a million raving, angry Northern Irish Protestants by hostile force against their will.

It would be an ugly "marriage".

Why in the hell would anyone want this? It boggles my mind.

Maybe Delany thinks the IRA is a retirement account?


He probably is looking for a big bang for his buck.
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(02-23-2013 09:56 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-23-2013 01:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(02-23-2013 12:58 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  I just can't see UNC leaving their rivalry with Duke behind. Taking the pair seems more plausible.

Better yet, take them both along with GT and UVA. Throw in FSU and suddenly the Big Ten can shop around for the final spot.

"Hurry up and decide Mr. Swarbrick, we got Miami on hold"

"Dial tone"

Of course, you know I would expect a denial from Notre Dame. That is why I never have Notre Dame in my projections. Delany will still have to tell the Presidents he gave Notre Dame one last shot before final expansion.
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(02-23-2013 06:34 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(02-23-2013 10:38 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think we are past the days of Notre Dame being the top prospect. I do think UNC has moved up into that consideration.

I also think UVA and GT should be rated above Miami.

No offense to Miami but with their new problems could not even see them on the list. Would say the same about UNC, but most people tend to ignore their foibles.

Actually it seems that Miami may reverse their fortunes in that regard. Not only are they likely to now not get in any trouble, NCAA officials have been fired over the handling of that case.
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My wish list for the B1G
1. Mizzou
2. Kansas
3. Pitt
4. Virginia
5. UNC

I hate any idea of a Florida, Texas, or Georgia team joining the B1G, also would prefer contingency and AAU status.
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(02-24-2013 07:03 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I certainly like the idea that Athlon has put Cincinnati on the list. We all know in Cincinnati that the university and it's fans and support are very attractive to any league.

Those terms don't exist in Cincinnati.
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(02-25-2013 09:38 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 07:03 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I certainly like the idea that Athlon has put Cincinnati on the list. We all know in Cincinnati that the university and it's fans and support are very attractive to any league.

Those terms don't exist in Cincinnati.

It is obvious you know very little about Cincinnati. The University has great support, has raised over a billion dollars in just over 5 years, and is a cherished asset to the community.

Now if you're talking about stadium capacity. Nippert Stadium may say it holds 35,097, but only 33,000 seats have a view of the action on the field. There are close to 2k obstructed view seats. If those are the only seats available for a game I choose to stay home and watch the game on tv.
5/3 Arena has terrible sight lines, and for some reason people are still hung up on the Huggins firing. One of the local sports talk hosts every year since the firing has poll question of why people don't go to UC basketball games, and it is overwhelming the Huggins firing. Cincinnatians are very proud of their sports heritage, and get very upset if anyone puts a black mark on their teams. When Huggins was fired by President Nancy Zimpher the alumni and public decided to burn her at the stake, and punish the University and not support the basketball team for any reason.

Back to the main topic it is nice for the author the piece to include Cincinnati in the discussion, but I doubt the Big Ten wants two schools in Ohio. They have two in Michigan, Illinois, and Indiana they are looking to expand their footprint to maximize their revenue stream.
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(02-25-2013 09:38 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 07:03 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  I certainly like the idea that Athlon has put Cincinnati on the list. We all know in Cincinnati that the university and it's fans and support are very attractive to any league.

Those terms don't exist in Cincinnati.

This is his thing. Nevermind that Bearcat fans have been bringing 3-5000 fans to Louisville each of the last 3 times our football teams played down there (which Louisville certainly has not been bringing to cincy). Look Louisville has great fans, but your constant diminishing of the Bearcat fan base is ridiculously petty.
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The Athlon list is all over the place. When there were no Big 12 candidates in the top 10, I figured that they considered those schools were off limits, but then they include Iowa State at 15. They gave no real definition as to what they were looking for in a candidate, and why certain candidates were excluded from consideration.

I agree that anyone on here could do a better job. Since I'm here, I'll give my Top 10 list for B1G expansion candidates. My only limitations are that SEC candidates are off limits, and candidates must be in the Eastern or Central Time Zones.

Tier 1
1. Texas
2. Notre Dame

Tier 2
3. North Carolina
4. Virginia
5. Oklahoma
6. Kansas

Tier 3
7. Syracuse
8. Georgia Tech
9. UConn
10. Duke
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(02-24-2013 11:12 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I believe Missouri and Kansas would join the Big in a heart as would UConn. If the BIG is really going to 18, they might be able to get Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Kansas to bite. 03-idea

UConn will join B1G without hesitation in the current desperation. But if UConn were in ACC like Pitt and Syracuse, they will think very hard to join B1G, for the same reason UNC, Duke, Syracuse and Pitt won't jump-- life is good, why makes it miserable just for a little extra money. You only need make some efforts to be successful in ACC but you could be a doormat no matter how hard you try in B1G. Don't forget ACC is also ESPN's model pet. It is like God always takes care of you first.
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The end goal is always Notre Dame. They will take enough ACC schools along with the SEC taking a few to get ND to move once again. If they go to the Big XII just watch as the Pac once again gets eyes for their own expansion. Notre Dame is the angel of death for any conference who harbors the Irish. First the Big East, now the ACC and then the Big XII if they go down that route.

The B1G will take UNC, Duke and UVA and the SEC will take VT and NC St which will essentially take the mid atlantic region away from the ACC and the Irish.

I also see the SEC taking FSU and WVU to really expand for their network.

B1G gets UNC, Duke, UVA and ND.

SEC gets VT, NC St., FSU and WVU.

If the Big XII is lucky the Pac doesn't take 6 of it's members. Though those 6 (UT, T Tech, OU, OSU, KU, KSU) along with WVU could easily just vote to dissolve the league which would dissolve the GoR agreement. If the Big XII doesn't exist then neither does their TV contract. That would certainly suck for Baylor, TCU and ISU, though I could see them hooking up with the remnants of the ACC and a few nBE schools.

BC, Cuse, UConn, Temple, Pitt, UofL, UC, Wake, Miami, Clemson, GT, ISU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, USF.
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(02-25-2013 12:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The end goal is always Notre Dame. They will take enough ACC schools along with the SEC taking a few to get ND to move once again. If they go to the Big XII just watch as the Pac once again gets eyes for their own expansion. Notre Dame is the angel of death for any conference who harbors the Irish. First the Big East, now the ACC and then the Big XII if they go down that route.

If we added ND in non-fb it makes it less likely the PAC could raid us. It would add around 1mm per school to a league the PAC doesn't seem to be able to raid for the schools it wants (TEXAS) and all the other Texoma offers in 2010 were contingent on UT per the TTU president Guy Bailey.

Quote:The B1G will take UNC, Duke and UVA and the SEC will take VT and NC St which will essentially take the mid atlantic region away from the ACC and the Irish.

I don't see them going to an odd number. 2/3 of UNC, UVA, and GT would probably be their move to 16. Despite all the rumors of 20 I don't see it.

Quote:I also see the SEC taking FSU and WVU to really expand for their network.

Neither does much for the network. WVU has a good following but it's not overly concentrated in a particular media market. So they are great for tier 1 and 2 broadcasts but much weaker on delivering carriage fees for a league network. It's why Mizzou got the SEC over them despite WVU arguably being the bigger sports brand.

FSU would simply duplicate a market. Not much help in a league network that way but they would help over the air contracts. I see little reason the SEC would go past 16 unless they could get new t3 market footprint out of it. So the WVU+FSU combo is likely out.

Quote:B1G gets UNC, Duke, UVA and ND.

I doubt ND would give up on indy so easily.

Quote:SEC gets VT, NC St., FSU and WVU.

First 2 likely, last 2 not.

Quote:If the Big XII is lucky the Pac doesn't take 6 of it's members. Though those 6 (UT, T Tech, OU, OSU, KU, KSU) along with WVU could easily just vote to dissolve the league which would dissolve the GoR agreement. If the Big XII doesn't exist then neither does their TV contract. That would certainly suck for Baylor, TCU and ISU, though I could see them hooking up with the remnants of the ACC and a few nBE schools.

If the PAC wouldn't take OU and OSU without UT they aren't taking 5 schools to get UT. The offers were contingent on taking no more than 3-4 extras and Utah took one of those spots since then. I see little reason for them to go past 16 and besides their only chance of a dissolution vote rests on the very unlikely WVU to SEC scenario which won't happen if ACC teams are available.
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(02-25-2013 12:55 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 12:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The end goal is always Notre Dame. They will take enough ACC schools along with the SEC taking a few to get ND to move once again. If they go to the Big XII just watch as the Pac once again gets eyes for their own expansion. Notre Dame is the angel of death for any conference who harbors the Irish. First the Big East, now the ACC and then the Big XII if they go down that route.

If we added ND in non-fb it makes it less likely the PAC could raid us. It would add around 1mm per school to a league the PAC doesn't seem to be able to raid for the schools it wants (TEXAS) and all the other Texoma offers in 2010 were contingent on UT per the TTU president Guy Bailey.

Quote:The B1G will take UNC, Duke and UVA and the SEC will take VT and NC St which will essentially take the mid atlantic region away from the ACC and the Irish.

I don't see them going to an odd number. 2/3 of UNC, UVA, and GT would probably be their move to 16. Despite all the rumors of 20 I don't see it.

Quote:I also see the SEC taking FSU and WVU to really expand for their network.

Neither does much for the network. WVU has a good following but it's not overly concentrated in a particular media market. So they are great for tier 1 and 2 broadcasts but much weaker on delivering carriage fees for a league network. It's why Mizzou got the SEC over them despite WVU arguably being the bigger sports brand.

FSU would simply duplicate a market. Not much help in a league network that way but they would help over the air contracts. I see little reason the SEC would go past 16 unless they could get new t3 market footprint out of it. So the WVU+FSU combo is likely out.

Quote:B1G gets UNC, Duke, UVA and ND.

I doubt ND would give up on indy so easily.

Quote:SEC gets VT, NC St., FSU and WVU.

First 2 likely, last 2 not.

Quote:If the Big XII is lucky the Pac doesn't take 6 of it's members. Though those 6 (UT, T Tech, OU, OSU, KU, KSU) along with WVU could easily just vote to dissolve the league which would dissolve the GoR agreement. If the Big XII doesn't exist then neither does their TV contract. That would certainly suck for Baylor, TCU and ISU, though I could see them hooking up with the remnants of the ACC and a few nBE schools.

If the PAC wouldn't take OU and OSU without UT they aren't taking 5 schools to get UT. The offers were contingent on taking no more than 3-4 extras and Utah took one of those spots since then. I see little reason for them to go past 16 and besides their only chance of a dissolution vote rests on the very unlikely WVU to SEC scenario which won't happen if ACC teams are available.

You think ND BBall is worth 10 mil a year plus whatever they will make? Hahahahaha

The Big XII 6 would make a lot more with the Pac. You think just ND BBall will bump up that contract what do you think the Pac contract will jump to with UT and OU football and KU BBall? Fox already broke up one league you don't think they can do the same to the Big XII?

Oh and WVU gets you into the Pittsburgh market. If they didn't bring anything in then why did the big XII take them?

The PAC will go past 16 if the B1G and SEC do the same.
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(02-25-2013 01:53 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  You think ND BBall is worth 10 mil a year plus whatever they will make? Hahahahaha

ND non-fb with a scheduling agreement got the ACC14 1mm per school. Assuming the same on the Big 12 isn't ridiculous.

Quote:The Big XII 6 would make a lot more with the Pac. You think just ND BBall will bump up that contract what do you think the Pac contract will jump to with UT and OU football and KU BBall? Fox already broke up one league you don't think they can do the same to the Big XII?

1- Unless the LHN goes away (which it won't) the PAC isn't taking anyone from the Big 12. If they turned down OU & OSU without UT good luck with anyone else.

2- The LHN is paying 5mm to the academic arm of UT out of the 12.5mm it pays to UT overall. It isn't going away anytime soon and the PAC will simply not allow it. It's arguably the most time proven aspect of things coming out of the 2010 and 2011 moves.

Quote:Oh and WVU gets you into the Pittsburgh market.

They get you part of it but how much? Probably not enough to justify going past 16 especially with the GOR to worry about.
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(02-25-2013 01:57 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:53 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  You think ND BBall is worth 10 mil a year plus whatever they will make? Hahahahaha

ND non-fb with a scheduling agreement got the ACC14 1mm per school. Assuming the same on the Big 12 isn't ridiculous.

Quote:The Big XII 6 would make a lot more with the Pac. You think just ND BBall will bump up that contract what do you think the Pac contract will jump to with UT and OU football and KU BBall? Fox already broke up one league you don't think they can do the same to the Big XII?

1- Unless the LHN goes away (which it won't) the PAC isn't taking anyone from the Big 12. If they turned down OU & OSU without UT good luck with anyone else.

2- The LHN is paying 5mm to the academic arm of UT out of the 12.5mm it pays to UT overall. It isn't going away anytime soon and the PAC will simply not allow it. It's arguably the most time proven aspect of things coming out of the 2010 and 2011 moves.

Quote:Oh and WVU gets you into the Pittsburgh market.

They get you part of it but how much? Probably not enough to justify going past 16 especially with the GOR to worry about.

That was espn trying to keep the league together. 2-3 ND FB games + ND BBall is not worth 14+ million to Fox. Especially since Fox will only get the FB side and espn only the BBall side.
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(02-25-2013 02:12 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:57 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 01:53 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  You think ND BBall is worth 10 mil a year plus whatever they will make? Hahahahaha

ND non-fb with a scheduling agreement got the ACC14 1mm per school. Assuming the same on the Big 12 isn't ridiculous.

Quote:The Big XII 6 would make a lot more with the Pac. You think just ND BBall will bump up that contract what do you think the Pac contract will jump to with UT and OU football and KU BBall? Fox already broke up one league you don't think they can do the same to the Big XII?

1- Unless the LHN goes away (which it won't) the PAC isn't taking anyone from the Big 12. If they turned down OU & OSU without UT good luck with anyone else.

2- The LHN is paying 5mm to the academic arm of UT out of the 12.5mm it pays to UT overall. It isn't going away anytime soon and the PAC will simply not allow it. It's arguably the most time proven aspect of things coming out of the 2010 and 2011 moves.

Quote:Oh and WVU gets you into the Pittsburgh market.

They get you part of it but how much? Probably not enough to justify going past 16 especially with the GOR to worry about.

That was espn trying to keep the league together. 2-3 ND FB games + ND BBall is not worth 14+ million to Fox. Especially since Fox will only get the FB side and espn only the BBall side.

ESPN and Fox share FB. ESPN gets basketball.
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S11 your comment on West Virginia (especially if the SEC has acquired Virginia Tech) is spot on. The F.S.U. question is much more complicated. If there is movement beyond 16 (and I believe that will be likely if the ACC has been raided) then Florida State will be a fairly high priority as one of the few remaining national brands. It would be a good content add for the SEC, a good defensive move for the SEC, and perhaps one of only a very few schools that could be added to the SEC that is actually a cultural fit. So I would argue that at 18 or more teams if F.S.U. is still available that they would move from the not yet category to the probable category for further SEC expansion.
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(02-25-2013 02:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  S11 your comment on West Virginia (especially if the SEC has acquired Virginia Tech) is spot on. The F.S.U. question is much more complicated. If there is movement beyond 16 (and I believe that will be likely if the ACC has been raided) then Florida State will be a fairly high priority as one of the few remaining national brands. It would be a good content add for the SEC, a good defensive move for the SEC, and perhaps one of only a very few schools that could be added to the SEC that is actually a cultural fit. So I would argue that at 18 or more teams if F.S.U. is still available that they would move from the not yet category to the probable category for further SEC expansion.

That simply gets into who's left. If the SEC gets into NC and VA with #15 and #16 who is left that adds enough?

FSU's a big get but who would be a good partner at 18? The only non-overlaps at that point are Pitt, Cuse, BC, and WVU or KU from the Big 12- none of which I see as realistic for the SEC.
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(02-25-2013 12:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The end goal is always Notre Dame. They will take enough ACC schools along with the SEC taking a few to get ND to move once again. If they go to the Big XII just watch as the Pac once again gets eyes for their own expansion. Notre Dame is the angel of death for any conference who harbors the Irish. First the Big East, now the ACC and then the Big XII if they go down that route.

The B1G will take UNC, Duke and UVA and the SEC will take VT and NC St which will essentially take the mid atlantic region away from the ACC and the Irish.

I also see the SEC taking FSU and WVU to really expand for their network.

B1G gets UNC, Duke, UVA and ND.

SEC gets VT, NC St., FSU and WVU.

If the Big XII is lucky the Pac doesn't take 6 of it's members. Though those 6 (UT, T Tech, OU, OSU, KU, KSU) along with WVU could easily just vote to dissolve the league which would dissolve the GoR agreement. If the Big XII doesn't exist then neither does their TV contract. That would certainly suck for Baylor, TCU and ISU, though I could see them hooking up with the remnants of the ACC and a few nBE schools.

BC, Cuse, UConn, Temple, Pitt, UofL, UC, Wake, Miami, Clemson, GT, ISU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, USF.


Good, maybe the Irish could move to the Big 12, then the SEC, then the Pac 12 and then the Big Ten.

After ND kills every conference, college football can start over. That works for me.
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(02-25-2013 03:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 12:41 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The end goal is always Notre Dame. They will take enough ACC schools along with the SEC taking a few to get ND to move once again. If they go to the Big XII just watch as the Pac once again gets eyes for their own expansion. Notre Dame is the angel of death for any conference who harbors the Irish. First the Big East, now the ACC and then the Big XII if they go down that route.

The B1G will take UNC, Duke and UVA and the SEC will take VT and NC St which will essentially take the mid atlantic region away from the ACC and the Irish.

I also see the SEC taking FSU and WVU to really expand for their network.

B1G gets UNC, Duke, UVA and ND.

SEC gets VT, NC St., FSU and WVU.

If the Big XII is lucky the Pac doesn't take 6 of it's members. Though those 6 (UT, T Tech, OU, OSU, KU, KSU) along with WVU could easily just vote to dissolve the league which would dissolve the GoR agreement. If the Big XII doesn't exist then neither does their TV contract. That would certainly suck for Baylor, TCU and ISU, though I could see them hooking up with the remnants of the ACC and a few nBE schools.

BC, Cuse, UConn, Temple, Pitt, UofL, UC, Wake, Miami, Clemson, GT, ISU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, USF.


Good, maybe the Irish could move to the Big 12, then the SEC, then the Pac 12 and then the Big Ten.

After ND kills every conference, college football can start over. That works for me.

02-13-banana Just keep moving our death-star till we get what we want.
02-25-2013 03:08 PM
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