In the end he with the most $$ will win out. That will be the BE. Boise will remain good, The rest of the MWC will stay $$$ poor. Better TV time slots and an extra 1 to 1.5 mil per team top to bottom will be advantage BE.

MWC just as before the shake ups will remain the solid #7 conf.

It's a catch 22 in a sense though. We almost NEED Boise to be successful, because if they get into the playoff one year and win the whole thing, it makes it much harder to exlude GOF conference champions in the future. All rationalle for it is gone, since the only thing left ot cling on was that Boise only won bowl games because it was one game, the other team didn't care about (it was bulslhit, but that's all that people could hang onto). If Boise wins the playoff, all bets are off. There is then no more excuse. And unfortunately, they are the only team outside of the access slots that has a chance to crack the playoff rotation.

Of course if Boise keeps doing well, they keep getting the access bowl slots. That is why keeping Boise was so important (I understand why they didn't cowdown to their demands, but it doesn't make the loss any worse).

(02-21-2013 11:58 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  It's a catch 22 in a sense though. We almost NEED Boise to be successful, because if they get into the playoff one year and win the whole thing, it makes it much harder to exlude GOF conference champions in the future. All rationalle for it is gone, since the only thing left ot cling on was that Boise only won bowl games because it was one game, the other team didn't care about (it was bulslhit, but that's all that people could hang onto). If Boise wins the playoff, all bets are off. There is then no more excuse. And unfortunately, they are the only team outside of the access slots that has a chance to crack the playoff rotation.

Of course if Boise keeps doing well, they keep getting the access bowl slots. That is why keeping Boise was so important (I understand why they didn't cowdown to their demands, but it doesn't make the loss any worse).

I disagree somewhat. What we will need is for the entire nBE to step up their performance and non-conf schedule. This will improve our RPI's across the board and if a team in the nBE then runs the table or gets through with one loss (highly likely year-to-year) they will get the respect they deserve. What we cannot have occur is for one nBE to dominate and the rest of the conference perform terribly outside of conference. This will result in the media seeing the dominant team as fraudulent and simply a result of playing a weak schedule against bad conference foes. Thus the idea that the nBE is a non-elite conference that does not deserve a BCS slot will be validated.

(02-21-2013 09:04 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end he with the most $$ will win out. That will be the BE. Boise will remain good, The rest of the MWC will stay $$$ poor. Better TV time slots and an extra 1 to 1.5 mil per team top to bottom will be advantage BE.

MWC just as before the shake ups will remain the solid #7 conf.

Where do you get that the rest of the MWC will stay money poor? Looks like the money will be about equal on both conferences, with MWC teams getting bonuses for national tv appearances. Better tv time slots on NBC sports network isn't worth a Friday night ESPN game, MWC fans can attest to that.



The MWC was always better than CUSA, I think it tends to stay that way.

(02-21-2013 02:00 PM)BigEastFrog Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:04 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end he with the most $$ will win out. That will be the BE. Boise will remain good, The rest of the MWC will stay $$$ poor. Better TV time slots and an extra 1 to 1.5 mil per team top to bottom will be advantage BE.

MWC just as before the shake ups will remain the solid #7 conf.

Where do you get that the rest of the MWC will stay money poor? Looks like the money will be about equal on both conferences, with MWC teams getting bonuses for national tv appearances. Better tv time slots on NBC sports network isn't worth a Friday night ESPN game, MWC fans can attest to that.



The MWC was always better than CUSA, I think it tends to stay that way.

Always? I don't think the C-USA of the early 00's was worse than the MWC. C-USA has essentially been labeled as what it became and not what it originally was. The 1995-04 C-USA was a very solid league in both major sports. The new Big East is going to very closely resemble the 01-04 C-USA, which in terms of on the field and on the court performance is far from a bad thing.

(02-21-2013 02:00 PM)BigEastFrog Wrote:  The MWC was always better than CUSA, I think it tends to stay that way.

Utah, New Mexico, Colorado St, Air Force, San Diego St, BYU, UNLV, and Wyoming > Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, South Florida Southern Miss, Memphis, ECU, Army, UAB, Houston, and Tulane?

And remember back then, save for 2004, TCU had already started their assent, Memphis was still decent, Southern Miss was still king of the conference, and BYU was having 4-8 seasons....

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(02-20-2013 11:21 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Any way you cut it (computer rankings, attendance, market size, endowments, academics) we're better than the MWC.

As long as all of the current schools stay together[i][u], the only drama will be whether we can catch the ACC or B1G in the FB computer rankings. I'm not saying we will do that, but it is possible.

That will be the primary problem the BE will face.

should have been a coast to coast best of the rest league and this wouldn't be a question, both sides of the continent dropped the ball on this.

(02-21-2013 02:00 PM)BigEastFrog Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 09:04 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end he with the most $$ will win out. That will be the BE. Boise will remain good, The rest of the MWC will stay $$$ poor. Better TV time slots and an extra 1 to 1.5 mil per team top to bottom will be advantage BE.

Where do you get that the rest of the MWC will stay money poor? Looks like the money will be about equal on both conferences,



The MWC was always better than CUSA, I think it tends to stay that way.

Most of the Schools in the MWC will be in the 1 mil range, Boise will get considerably more. The arms race in the conf will be killer not to say with other conf. CUSA is in the same neighborhood. The NBE looks to get 2 to 2.5 mil per school, about 2x what the MWC will get. There is some talk of bidding going on between Espin and NBC over NBE as espin matched the offer. I don't expect $$$ to run thru the roof, but another few mil would be nice.

(02-20-2013 03:55 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 03:23 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  There is another side to the story that is not mentioned, the MWC schools play in crap markets so their success is not as sustainable or valuable. Boise is such an outlyer that completely changes the value proposition and makes the MWC so historically top heavy.

Denver, San Jose, San Diego, Albuquerque, Vegas

yea pure crap

You conveniently leave out their horrendous markets. As for those listed, the schools in the MWC are the 5th, 6th or lower option as far as fans residing in said city, that's what makes even the larger MWC markets absolute crap and totally irrelevant. Both conferences are highly flawed, but the average fan can at least name the cities and conferences of most of the nBE schools, MWC not so much. That being said, I have a huge amount of respect for what the MWC has done lately, particularly this year in both FBall and Bball. The nBE will quickly fall behnd if they do not improve and the MWC continues to get better. At least the nBE schools are in the top 3-4 teams in the given market, markets which dwarf even largest MWC markets.

So what? The BE's best school (Cincy) is third within their own city behind Notre Dame and Ohio State.

(02-21-2013 02:24 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 02:00 PM)BigEastFrog Wrote:  The MWC was always better than CUSA, I think it tends to stay that way.

Utah, New Mexico, Colorado St, Air Force, San Diego St, BYU, UNLV, and Wyoming > Louisville, Cincinnati, TCU, South Florida Southern Miss, Memphis, ECU, Army, UAB, Houston, and Tulane?

And remember back then, save for 2004, TCU had already started their assent, Memphis was still decent, Southern Miss was still king of the conference, and BYU was having 4-8 seasons....

and Tulane was just a few years removed from 12-0.

(02-23-2013 06:19 PM)rferry Wrote:  [
So what? The BE's best school (Cincy) is third within their own city behind Notre Dame and Ohio State.

Clueless, just clueless...

(02-23-2013 06:19 PM)rferry Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 03:55 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 03:23 PM)billings Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:17 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  There is another side to the story that is not mentioned, the MWC schools play in crap markets so their success is not as sustainable or valuable. Boise is such an outlyer that completely changes the value proposition and makes the MWC so historically top heavy.

Denver, San Jose, San Diego, Albuquerque, Vegas

yea pure crap

You conveniently leave out their horrendous markets. As for those listed, the schools in the MWC are the 5th, 6th or lower option as far as fans residing in said city, that's what makes even the larger MWC markets absolute crap and totally irrelevant. Both conferences are highly flawed, but the average fan can at least name the cities and conferences of most of the nBE schools, MWC not so much. That being said, I have a huge amount of respect for what the MWC has done lately, particularly this year in both FBall and Bball. The nBE will quickly fall behnd if they do not improve and the MWC continues to get better. At least the nBE schools are in the top 3-4 teams in the given market, markets which dwarf even largest MWC markets.

So what? The BE's best school (Cincy) is third within their own city behind Notre Dame and Ohio State.

yeah...nice try but this is not true. They have a poll come out in the paper every few years asking fans to rank sports teams by most to least favorite and it includes everything: Reds, Bengals, UC fb, UC hoops, XU hoops, OSU fb, OSU hoops, Uk fb, UK hoops, ND fb, etc etc etc

OSU/ND fb and hoops aren't ever ranked above UC fb/hoops...ever. In fact XU hoops ranks higher in town than either OSU or ND hoops alone. It's always Reds and Bengals #'s 1 and 2 and then UC. Always.

So we appreciate your outside opinion...but you're wrong. Thanks for playing anyway.

(02-21-2013 08:46 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  When we the umass pumpers gonna chime in about umass making the conference stronger?

The fact that Tulsa's 4 year BCS average of 49.5 would be the 2nd highest in the future Big East apparently isn't relevant anymore. It's only about theoretical ceilings & large TV markets.