(02-25-2013 11:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:11 PM)BamaWahoo Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 08:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 08:52 PM)BamaWahoo Wrote:  I am very dubious about the idea of UVA, with a very financially healthy athletic program, leaving the ACC without its rivals joining it. It's one thing to go B1G w/ UNC, Duke, GT, etc. It's another to leave them all behind and jump with Maryland to the B1G without any financial push to force us to move.

How receptive would they be if a Mr. SEC hypothesis were to be played out. Let's say Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, and Pittsburgh/F.S.U. were all offered the SEC as a group. How likely (if there was going to be a move) would it be that such an offer would be accepted? If that move was made the SEC would be at 20 with 8 AAU members.

The majority of the fanbase would be enthusiastically for it. The Administration would be enthusiastically for it if it were obvious that some of those teams were going to leave anyway. As much as I hate Duke & UNC, it's hard to imagine us not in the same conference with them.

As a Bama fan too, I'd be thrilled. Bama playing in VA and NC just about every year? Yes, please.

Other than have the ACC stay together, I can't imagine a better way to put an end to all of this nonsense than to execute a move like that one. It would leave F.S.U., Clemson, Georgia Tech and Miami free to move to the Big 12 with Louisville and another. The partnership between the two conferences would essentially end realignment as we know it.

And you wouldn't get your rule changes. If you think scheduling at 14 is crazy, Slive certainly does, then go ahead and try scheduling with two divisions and all those teams.

You and your pipe dreams. Perhaps I shouldn't even bother with you anymore.

(02-26-2013 10:28 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 08:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 08:52 PM)BamaWahoo Wrote:  I am very dubious about the idea of UVA, with a very financially healthy athletic program, leaving the ACC without its rivals joining it. It's one thing to go B1G w/ UNC, Duke, GT, etc. It's another to leave them all behind and jump with Maryland to the B1G without any financial push to force us to move.

How receptive would they be if a Mr. SEC hypothesis were to be played out. Let's say Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, and Pittsburgh/F.S.U. were all offered the SEC as a group. How likely (if there was going to be a move) would it be that such an offer would be accepted? If that move was made the SEC would be at 20 with 8 AAU members.

I am confounded by your inability to understand that the SEC needs the Big Ten to expand as well in order to get rules passed that will take full advantage of any new expansion.

If the only mentality you can think in is one of aggressive competition rather than cooperation then perhaps you should just go join the Army and shoot people or something.

The SEC is not going to block the Big Ten. Eventually you will see that.

There will be a new upper tier, and it will likely not be a part of the NCAA. That's the part you are not grasping. The existing NCAA rules won't matter.

(02-26-2013 10:37 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:28 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 08:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 08:52 PM)BamaWahoo Wrote:  I am very dubious about the idea of UVA, with a very financially healthy athletic program, leaving the ACC without its rivals joining it. It's one thing to go B1G w/ UNC, Duke, GT, etc. It's another to leave them all behind and jump with Maryland to the B1G without any financial push to force us to move.

How receptive would they be if a Mr. SEC hypothesis were to be played out. Let's say Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, N.C. State, and Pittsburgh/F.S.U. were all offered the SEC as a group. How likely (if there was going to be a move) would it be that such an offer would be accepted? If that move was made the SEC would be at 20 with 8 AAU members.

I am confounded by your inability to understand that the SEC needs the Big Ten to expand as well in order to get rules passed that will take full advantage of any new expansion.

If the only mentality you can think in is one of aggressive competition rather than cooperation then perhaps you should just go join the Army and shoot people or something.

The SEC is not going to block the Big Ten. Eventually you will see that.

There will be a new upper tier, and it will likely not be a part of the NCAA. That's the part you are not grasping. The existing NCAA rules won't matter.

All that doesn't matter if the SEC does as you would have them do and completely block the Big Ten. You won't get any of that. That is what YOU do not grasp. So don't try and lecture me. You have descended into an extremely biased perspective in your discussions. You fail to see the big picture.

UNC has its roots in the Southern Conference with the vast majority of SEC schools so if UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVA were all invited, and it was that or the Big 10, I'm sure the alumni would be for it. Adding Wake and VT would be icing. Obviously we prefer the ACC as it is.

(02-26-2013 10:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  UNC has its roots in the Southern Conference with the vast majority of SEC schools so if UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVA were all invited, and it was that or the Big 10, I'm sure the alumni would be for it. Adding Wake and VT would be icing. Obviously we prefer the ACC as it is.

So how about...

UNC, Duke, UVA, GT, Kansas and Mizzu all in the B1G?

(02-26-2013 10:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  UNC has its roots in the Southern Conference with the vast majority of SEC schools so if UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVA were all invited, and it was that or the Big 10, I'm sure the alumni would be for it. Adding Wake and VT would be icing. Obviously we prefer the ACC as it is.

I still don't think the ACC is going anywhere. But I have pondered if it ever came to that whether Wake could be the deciding factor.

I've even wondered why not just move to 4 regional divisions of 6 and make it 24. Virginia, Virginia Tech, the 4 North Carolina schools, Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, and Florida State. That would be a marriage of Football prowess with Basketball prowess, academics with athletics, best market draw with best markets, and all contained in the Southeast for the strongest leverage in contract negotiations.

North: Virginia, Va. Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Duke, Wake
East: Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami, S. Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, F.S.U., Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(02-26-2013 11:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  UNC has its roots in the Southern Conference with the vast majority of SEC schools so if UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVA were all invited, and it was that or the Big 10, I'm sure the alumni would be for it. Adding Wake and VT would be icing. Obviously we prefer the ACC as it is.

I still don't think the ACC is going anywhere. But I have pondered if it ever came to that whether Wake could be the deciding factor.

I've even wondered why not just move to 4 regional divisions of 6 and make it 24. Virginia, Virginia Tech, the 4 North Carolina schools, Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, and Florida State. That would be a marriage of Football prowess with Basketball prowess, academics with athletics, best market draw with best markets, and all contained in the Southeast for the strongest leverage in contract negotiations.

North: Virginia, Va. Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Duke, Wake
East: Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami, S. Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, F.S.U., Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, Missouri, Texas A&M

WOW, that's a juggernaut. If that involved playing the schools in the same division twice for basketball I think it would be the next best thing to the current ACC, if not a step up. I come from the era of the round robin and was opposed to expansion beyond 10.

(02-26-2013 11:44 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  UNC has its roots in the Southern Conference with the vast majority of SEC schools so if UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVA were all invited, and it was that or the Big 10, I'm sure the alumni would be for it. Adding Wake and VT would be icing. Obviously we prefer the ACC as it is.

I still don't think the ACC is going anywhere. But I have pondered if it ever came to that whether Wake could be the deciding factor.

I've even wondered why not just move to 4 regional divisions of 6 and make it 24. Virginia, Virginia Tech, the 4 North Carolina schools, Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, and Florida State. That would be a marriage of Football prowess with Basketball prowess, academics with athletics, best market draw with best markets, and all contained in the Southeast for the strongest leverage in contract negotiations.

North: Virginia, Va. Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Duke, Wake
East: Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami, S. Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, F.S.U., Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, Missouri, Texas A&M

WOW, that's a juggernaut. If that involved playing the schools in the same division twice for basketball I think it would be the next best thing to the current ACC, if not a step up. I come from the era of the round robin and was opposed to expansion beyond 10.

In Basketball you could play a round robin within your division and rotate the six from the other three divisions for an 18 game conference season, or since there would be fewer conferences rotate two of the other 3 divisions annually for a 24 game conference schedule. The top 16 teams from the conference could advance to a conference tournament.

Baseball could be handled the same way, but with baseball you could pair up two divisions for separate regional tournaments involving all 12 in each region in a tournament and have the two tournament champions play a best of 3 to decide the conference champ.

Football would rotate the 4 divisions and have a semi-final and final for the conference championship. There would be a few long distance travel games but for 3/4 of the conference schedule travel for the fans would be very doable.

(02-25-2013 01:22 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 01:21 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Sounds like trouble in Big12 paradise!

I wouldn't get too excited. At the very least half of those schools are coming from the ACC.

Louisville fans: PSSHH... The ACC is fine, i would be worried if I were in the Big12

WVU Fans: PSSSHHH... The ACC is screwed

How convenient.......

(02-26-2013 05:25 PM)Mtyler Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 01:22 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 01:21 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Sounds like trouble in Big12 paradise!

I wouldn't get too excited. At the very least half of those schools are coming from the ACC.

Louisville fans: PSSHH... The ACC is fine, i would be worried if I were in the Big12

WVU Fans: PSSSHHH... The ACC is screwed

How convenient.......

Memphis Fans: PSSSHHH... The Aresco League is Paradise!

It like this....WVU & Louisville are now firmly @ the table....both school very likely from here on out are going to be eat'n very well.

(02-26-2013 11:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  UNC has its roots in the Southern Conference with the vast majority of SEC schools so if UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVA were all invited, and it was that or the Big 10, I'm sure the alumni would be for it. Adding Wake and VT would be icing. Obviously we prefer the ACC as it is.

I still don't think the ACC is going anywhere. But I have pondered if it ever came to that whether Wake could be the deciding factor.

I've even wondered why not just move to 4 regional divisions of 6 and make it 24. Virginia, Virginia Tech, the 4 North Carolina schools, Georgia Tech, Miami, Clemson, and Florida State. That would be a marriage of Football prowess with Basketball prowess, academics with athletics, best market draw with best markets, and all contained in the Southeast for the strongest leverage in contract negotiations.

Well if Your going to add multiple schools from every state you might as well include Louisville with Kentucky in that mix.
North: Virginia, Va. Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Duke, Wake
East: Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami, S. Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, F.S.U., Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, Missouri, Texas A&M

(02-26-2013 10:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  UNC has its roots in the Southern Conference with the vast majority of SEC schools so if UNC, NCSU, Duke, and UVA were all invited, and it was that or the Big 10, I'm sure the alumni would be for it. Adding Wake and VT would be icing. Obviously we prefer the ACC as it is.

Roots in the old Southern Conference, yes, but the only real history that Carolina has with any of the current SEC schools is with South Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee.
Carolina has had virtually no history with any of the teams in the B1G.
I think we will be content to just stay where we are. As Frank mentioned Carolina (and UVa) are too southern to be in a midwestern conference and too "wine and cheese" to be in the SEC.