(02-25-2013 07:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 06:57 PM)Chappy Wrote:  The NFL has killed Thursdays. I wouldn't mind something like this, but only if there were strict limits on how many Wed games each school plays.

No necessarily. Not everyone gets the NFL Network, and many of their Thursday games have been duds.

And of the people who get the NFL Network, I bet a majority will change channels often and go back and forth between the NFL and college games. No real man can resist flipping channels between games.

NFL Thursday night games were much better this past year. As a fan of a BE team, unless it were ECU, a marquee match up, or a game which the outcome of directly effect ECU -- I'd at least be flipping back and forth with the NFL game.

Can't imagine I wouldn't watch at least SOME of the BE game, but I'm a football nut too. The average fan (read non BE team fan) won't be watching much of our games unless they're high quality games IMHO. That's what it's going to come down to though for everything...we put out a top product and we'll have viewers.

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Well the BE had a pretty full Friday slate. That said, ECU caught all hell from the NCHSAA about playing Fridays. Granted I don't think a HSAA should have the power it does.

(02-25-2013 03:52 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 03:49 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 02:30 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 02:27 PM)billings Wrote:  Sometimes you can tell the fans who don't actually go to games very often

This is an urban school/non-urban school issue. For the schools like Memphis, Houston, UCF, etc the vast majority of the fans that attend the games live in that city. Other than ruined tailgating it's not much of an issue. Much different than trying to work out the issues of bringing a family of 4 2 hours each way for a Wednesday night game.

Well no disrespect here intended, but the NBE is a Urban Conference, maybe thats why in the past you were not invited.....You guys are thinking about yourselves instead of the conference as a whole. ECU is the only non urban U in the Conference.....I like you guys but damn ya'll are narrow minded.

Quite frankly why should ECU fans concern themselves with the conference as a whole, when the so called "flagships" of the league are spending every waking moment trying to get out of the league and making all of us less valuable in the process? I care about ECU, our ability to keep our stadium full, and my ability to enjoy home football games which I spend a good deal of my disposable income to buy tickets to. Anything past that I don't care about.

Some of you E.Carolina folks act like ya'll are the 2nd coming of Alabama. Maybe it'd make some of ya'll happy staying in CUSA, playing the likes of UAB and ODU. I'm sure that would go over big with your fanbase.....And for the person who said that Memphis fans only care for basketball and not football, well you're big time wrong and you show your ignorance with such a comment. I've stated in another thread where Memphis drew 52,000 plus for a cold Thursday night game against L'Ville DeAngelo's senior year. Followed by the next Friday night where we drew 51,000 plus for a game against So.Miss. Hell, as bad as we've been the past 4 years, we were lucky to draw what we drew. We finally have an A.D. who cares about football and an up and coming coach that this city has rallied around and believes in. We're getting there, just give us a little time. I, as a Tiger football fanatic am looking forward to the day that the Memphis football jokes will stop.

I may be changing my mind Wednesday night's could be ours and I think people would watch it if they saw a full stadium. Screw Thursday and Friday. Big East Week Night game of the week. With six months notice it would be feasible for the ECU crowd. The problem with ECU is that I do not think they would let the school out at 12/2pm or cancel night time classes.

(02-25-2013 05:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Dont forget the scheduling problems with Wednesdays games. They have to follow a bye week and then leave a long week afterwards. Throws things out of wack with game week schedules for the players and coaches.

Not really. Wedneday to Saturday is no different than Sunday to Thursday, which the NFL does.

(02-25-2013 07:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 06:57 PM)Chappy Wrote:  The NFL has killed Thursdays. I wouldn't mind something like this, but only if there were strict limits on how many Wed games each school plays.

No necessarily. Not everyone gets the NFL Network, and many of their Thursday games have been duds.

Not with the new set up. There have been some games, but there was a drastci improvement in getting quality teams to have Thursday games this year.

(02-25-2013 07:25 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  And of the people who get the NFL Network, I bet a majority will change channels often and go back and forth between the NFL and college games.

The ratings who the NFL killed ESPN Thursday games.

(02-26-2013 01:21 AM)whitey Wrote:  I may be changing my mind Wednesday night's could be ours and I think people would watch it if they saw a full stadium. Screw Thursday and Friday. Big East Week Night game of the week. With six months notice it would be feasible for the ECU crowd. The problem with ECU is that I do not think they would let the school out at 12/2pm or cancel night time classes.

How many teams in this league can have a full stadium on a Wednesday night? If you were going to do this you'd need to make sure you put games on that would for sure not look MACish in terms of being meaningless games in front of 5k fans.

(02-26-2013 02:04 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 05:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Dont forget the scheduling problems with Wednesdays games. They have to follow a bye week and then leave a long week afterwards. Throws things out of wack with game week schedules for the players and coaches.

Not really. Wedneday to Saturday is no different than Sunday to Thursday, which the NFL does.

Yeah really. NFL players don't attend classes. These are STUDENT-athletes remember? A Wednesday night game week would have Monday classes, Tuesday travel, Wednesday game, return Thursday morning, then go to class on Friday which many athletes don't have Friday classes due to travel for Saturday games.

(02-25-2013 02:09 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 02:06 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 02:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  That works fine for basketball schools, not so much for football schools

Yea, those Thursday night games have been terrible for the SEC.

You just said it.... Much easier to make Thursday night work for people with work schedules, travel, etc.

Which is why the SEC and other big 4 finally accepted Thursday games.

The BE, CUSA and MWC schools that once made a living off of Thursday games are now asked to restructure their schedules and off-weeks to accommodate Tuesdays and Wednesday games instead.

For the fan (something to watch) and the broadcaster (TV exclusivity = viewers = $), that's great. For the schools and conferences, well, it only adds to their burden and the perception they're minor leagues. There's a reason why the SEC and the other big 4 and BE/CUSA/MWC are on different tiers. One can demand their terms. The other is desperate for attention.

(02-26-2013 04:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:04 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 05:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Dont forget the scheduling problems with Wednesdays games. They have to follow a bye week and then leave a long week afterwards. Throws things out of wack with game week schedules for the players and coaches.

Not really. Wedneday to Saturday is no different than Sunday to Thursday, which the NFL does.

Yeah really. NFL players don't attend classes. These are STUDENT-athletes remember? A Wednesday night game week would have Monday classes, Tuesday travel, Wednesday game, return Thursday morning, then go to class on Friday which many athletes don't have Friday classes due to travel for Saturday games.

All I can tell you is... If you believe this, you've never been around NFL players. Can't really say much more. Their "short day" is a ten hour day on their "off say" on Tuesday.

(02-26-2013 04:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:04 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 05:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Dont forget the scheduling problems with Wednesdays games. They have to follow a bye week and then leave a long week afterwards. Throws things out of wack with game week schedules for the players and coaches.

Not really. Wedneday to Saturday is no different than Sunday to Thursday, which the NFL does.

Yeah really. NFL players don't attend classes. These are STUDENT-athletes remember? A Wednesday night game week would have Monday classes, Tuesday travel, Wednesday game, return Thursday morning, then go to class on Friday which many athletes don't have Friday classes due to travel for Saturday games.

The "student" athlete argument against weekday games is a fraud. Football players miss less class time than many Olympic sports such as volleyball, basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey, etc., which almost all miss substantially more time from class than football players.

(02-27-2013 04:53 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  The "student" athlete argument against weekday games is a fraud. Football players miss less class time than many Olympic sports such as volleyball, basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey, etc., which almost all miss substantially more time from class than football players.

Whoa, something I agree with you on. On top of what you said, the student athlete argument really doesn't even hold water here, because it's not like if the game were on Thursday, they would not have class that day or the day after. The two issues at hand are recovery and preparation. In both cases, you have the same amount of time between and NFL Sunday game and an NFL Thursday game as you do a CFB game on Saturday and on Wednesday.

(02-27-2013 04:53 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 04:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:04 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 05:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Dont forget the scheduling problems with Wednesdays games. They have to follow a bye week and then leave a long week afterwards. Throws things out of wack with game week schedules for the players and coaches.

Not really. Wedneday to Saturday is no different than Sunday to Thursday, which the NFL does.

Yeah really. NFL players don't attend classes. These are STUDENT-athletes remember? A Wednesday night game week would have Monday classes, Tuesday travel, Wednesday game, return Thursday morning, then go to class on Friday which many athletes don't have Friday classes due to travel for Saturday games.

The "student" athlete argument against weekday games is a fraud. Football players miss less class time than many Olympic sports such as volleyball, basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey, etc., which almost all miss substantially more time from class than football players.

Well that makes sense due to the fact that football is generally played on the weekend and not during the school week.

(02-27-2013 05:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:53 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  The "student" athlete argument against weekday games is a fraud. Football players miss less class time than many Olympic sports such as volleyball, basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey, etc., which almost all miss substantially more time from class than football players.

Whoa, something I agree with you on. On top of what you said, the student athlete argument really doesn't even hold water here, because it's not like if the game were on Thursday, they would not have class that day or the day after. The two issues at hand are recovery and preparation. In both cases, you have the same amount of time between and NFL Sunday game and an NFL Thursday game as you do a CFB game on Saturday and on Wednesday.

A lot of football players don't have Friday classes specifically because of travel. That means no missed classes for Friday games in most cases. Thursday night game means missed Thursday classes. Nothing major. You can't act like classes don't exist and playing on a Wednesday isn't more of an interruption than a Thursday or Saturday game.

(02-27-2013 07:01 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:53 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  The "student" athlete argument against weekday games is a fraud. Football players miss less class time than many Olympic sports such as volleyball, basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey, etc., which almost all miss substantially more time from class than football players.

Whoa, something I agree with you on. On top of what you said, the student athlete argument really doesn't even hold water here, because it's not like if the game were on Thursday, they would not have class that day or the day after. The two issues at hand are recovery and preparation. In both cases, you have the same amount of time between and NFL Sunday game and an NFL Thursday game as you do a CFB game on Saturday and on Wednesday.

A lot of football players don't have Friday classes specifically because of travel. That means no missed classes for Friday games in most cases. Thursday night game means missed Thursday classes. Nothing major. You can't act like classes don't exist and playing on a Wednesday isn't more of an interruption than a Thursday or Saturday game.

If it s a Wednesday night home game, the "student" athlete will be in class all day Wednesday and Thursday. . . again, this argument is totally bogus . . . athletic administrators don't think its a problem at all for the football player to miss a day or two of class . . . they've been dealing with it for Olympic sports for decades, and Olympic sport athletes typically have substantially higher grades than football players . . . missed class time isn't the problem . . .

(02-27-2013 07:01 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  A lot of football players don't have Friday classes specifically because of travel.

You realize that at most schools Friday classe are tied to Monday and Wednesday, right? Meanign fi they have no class on Friday, they liekly would not have them on Monday or Wednesday. Now there are few night classes on Friday, but I have never met a football or basketball player who had a night class during the season.

At the school I went to, MW were the class days while F was the small group discussion lab. As such, F was optional

At most schools it's MWF (50 min class) and TTh (1:15 min class) to get ot 2.5 hours per week. My freshman year I went to WKU where it was MWF (1 hour class) and TThF (1 hour class), with Friday alternating weeks, for 5 hours of lcass every two weeks. But most schools used a MWF and TTh schedule.

I think class days and times depend on your school and the number of credits. You can have MW, MWF, MW + F small group, once a week, evening, TTh, etc. If you are only taking a 2 credit hour class, you may have a different time of classes. When I was in school, most coaches had plans/recommendations for students regarding how to schedule their classes not to have conflicts.