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(02-26-2013 06:35 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  I starting to think maybe in like 5-10 yrs.
And again, who does p12 take?
Also don't buy everyone waiting on exit fee.
Even full fee is only like 1 yr b10 revenue.

Cruse, Pitt, BC, VT, Miami, WF, Navy...all to get ND.
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(02-26-2013 09:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:49 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 08:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 08:23 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  The B10 will take as many teams as it takes to make the ACC unstable. The end game has always been ND. It has to be unnerving to be a president of a school like UC, WF, Baylor right now. They could be easily left out depending on how this all goes down.

Even if everyone goes to 16, I don't believe the PAC has to. They are insulated pretty well. Also, having USC and now Oregon will help. There is no hurry for them, they own the west coast.

I love how Cincy thinks they are on the same level as Wake Forest and Baylor right now. WF and Baylor have been members of major conferences for decades- as opposed to johnny come lately Cincy with not even 10 years(and that's if you consider the Old Big East as a major conference).

Georgetown football, woot!

We'll be making more money than you so enjoy the Aresco league...

When it's all said and done, you will not. By the way, you guys are way overvaluing the teams you are bringing into your new league, what is it called, glorified A-10.
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(02-26-2013 10:42 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:52 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:49 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 08:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 08:23 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  The B10 will take as many teams as it takes to make the ACC unstable. The end game has always been ND. It has to be unnerving to be a president of a school like UC, WF, Baylor right now. They could be easily left out depending on how this all goes down.

Even if everyone goes to 16, I don't believe the PAC has to. They are insulated pretty well. Also, having USC and now Oregon will help. There is no hurry for them, they own the west coast.

I love how Cincy thinks they are on the same level as Wake Forest and Baylor right now. WF and Baylor have been members of major conferences for decades- as opposed to johnny come lately Cincy with not even 10 years(and that's if you consider the Old Big East as a major conference).

Georgetown football, woot!

We'll be making more money than you so enjoy the Aresco league...

When it's all said and done, you will not. By the way, you guys are way overvaluing the teams you are bringing into your new league, what is it called, glorified A-10.

How are Butler (2 time national runner up in past 3 years), VCU (Final 4 two years ago), and Xavier (2 Elite 8 since 2005) overvalued? All have gone to the tournament more often than Cincinnati within the past decade. And Cincy has finished as high as the Sweet 16 only once in that entire time.

If anyone is overvaluing them, it's Fox Sports, not any poster here.
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I thought the A-10 just got a new TV deal (with Butler + VCU) in October 2012 valued at a little over 300K per school?
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add to that Villanova and Georgetown and you have 4 teams going to final 4's in the last 6 years.

If you are left in the Aresco league, than yes, Georgetown will make more than Cincy. Oh, and by the way- XAVIER will make more money than Cincy. How bout them apples?
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(02-26-2013 09:45 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  04-jawdrop It will stop at 14 or 16 tram conferences. The 18-20 team conferences talk is just people blowing smoke and flames out their arses! :moon2:
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http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/...going.html

Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee told the school’s Athletic Council in December that discussions about further expansion for the Big Ten conference are “ongoing.”

Gee said “there has been ongoing discussion” about expansion and “believes there is movement towards three or four super conferences that are made up of 16-20 teams.
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(02-26-2013 11:05 AM)Topkat Wrote:  I thought the A-10 just got a new TV deal (with Butler + VCU) in October 2012 valued at a little over 300K per school?

The A10 has a lot of dismal TV properties that are just brutal. Fordham, RI, Duquesne, GW, etc.

The reason why the C7 will get 3 milllion plus from Fox is the fact that you have VCU, Butler, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette who have been to the final 4 in the last 10 years- and then other quality programs like St John's, Xavier, SLU- that are all really good.

Also you talk the market strategy- the C7 has the markets. New York, Philly, DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Richmond, Cincy, St Louis.
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(02-26-2013 11:08 AM)stever20 Wrote:  add to that Villanova and Georgetown and you have 4 teams going to final 4's in the last 6 years.

If you are left in the Aresco league, than yes, Georgetown will make more than Cincy. Oh, and by the way- XAVIER will make more money than Cincy. How bout them apples?

How old are you?
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(02-26-2013 11:09 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:45 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  04-jawdrop It will stop at 14 or 16 tram conferences. The 18-20 team conferences talk is just people blowing smoke and flames out their arses! :moon2:
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http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/...going.html

Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee told the school’s Athletic Council in December that discussions about further expansion for the Big Ten conference are “ongoing.”

Gee said “there has been ongoing discussion” about expansion and “believes there is movement towards three or four super conferences that are made up of 16-20 teams.

Also, I am sure if someone had said last year that Louisville would be joining the ACC we would all be telling that person that they were blowing smoke out their ass too.
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These threads read like every other post on this board lately. 4 truisms you will read on any post...

1). The ACC fans ignore the reality the UVA to B1G probably has legs and makes sense (I agree UNC won't happen).
2). The Big-12 fans are the only ones who actually believe the GOR is iron clad and not an anti-trust lawsuit waiting to happen, therefore shooting down Kansas to the B1G at every turn.
3). SEC haters (most everyone on here) thinks that the B1G has suddenly realized an error and now changed their position on Mizzou.
4). Every option discussed for PAC expansion (other than a Texoma 4 revisit) ranks from LOL to GTFO.
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(02-26-2013 10:33 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  You talk about 3x20 being inevitable here and yet in another thread you talk about a move that would block the Big Ten from expanding. IF you think they will just fall in line and go to the Northeast for all their expansion then you are wrong. They will sit back with 14 and cozy up with the Big 12 and PAC 12 in blocking any future rules and your lovely SEC will be sitting there overweight and underpaid due to not getting those rule changes.
He1nous, if there is a move to 3 x 20 conferences the problems listed above will apply. Blocking the Big 10 from moving too far South is important for the SEC for a variety of reasons. The foremost is that no conference with as much or more money than the SEC has ever competed with us within our footprint. The second is if we move to 20 schools keeping those 20 as close as possible geographically will be important.

Taking two from Virginia, two from North Carolina, F.S.U., and Clemson keeps the whole conference essentially within the Southeast. You can rearrange those six and mix them with others within the Southeast and it would come out alright I just use those because they are more obvious.

I'm not sure the SEC would want to travel to Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Texas. I think Dallas would be about as far West as we would consider going and they have a great television market as a lure. West Virginia would work to the Northeast.

The SEC doesn't have to worry about content and because of that if we acquire three more markets with the next 6 additions (if we move to 20) then we would have enough content additions left within our footprint to make it profitable. I don't think Virginia or Georgia Tech to the Big 10 bothers the SEC. Florida State is another matter. If they are in the Big 12 they don't bother us. If they are in the Big 10 they do. If Delany moves all the way down to Florida with Virginia, Georgia Tech, Duke, and Miami I doubt we would feel the need to block anything.

Virginia Tech is a wash with Virginia as far as carrying the State so the SEC would be fine with that. If the SEC lands U.N.C. they will be happy because that one school carries the state of North Carolina. Duke with N.C. State might carry as much as the Heels. But N.C. State alone doesn't deliver the carriage that U.N.C. does by itself. That's where the war is on the Northern border should the ACC get raided. That's why the two teams that the SEC would get defensive over would be North Carolina and Florida State.

Remember in land grabs neither the SEC nor Big 10 would want to expend two selections on 1 state. But if it was done then the states of North Carolina and Florida are where it would still be profitable to do so. It is why the Heels have the leverage to demand that another North Carolina school go with them if they should ever leave. With the Seminoles the issue is maintaining control of Florida recruiting and Florida carriage (F.S.U. and UF give you the whole state essentially even if a la carte comes into play.)

So in conclusion should the SEC grow larger than 16 the mix will likely include two North Carolina schools, one Virginia school, and Florida State as a core. Then you could look at Clemson, West Virginia, Louisville, or another Texas school if 20 was the end game. The conference would remain compact and essentially Southeastern.
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Look, it's real simple. Block the Big Ten and they rally up with the PAC and Big 12 and you get NO NEW RULES, you get no new NCAA division, you get no conference tournament. Quite frankly you are so blinded by this desire of yours that you are completely ignoring how it could backfire.

I'm done, go ahead and hold on to your little dream. Seems like you have plenty of cheerleaders for it but that does not change the reality.
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(02-26-2013 10:35 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  That's true, but it leaves out the important fact that conference affiliation only became critical about 15 years ago. Wake Forest's position in particular is total luck of the draw. They are in a major conference simply because UNC took them along for the ride when the ACC was formed.

You really don't know much about the formation of the ACC.
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(02-26-2013 08:59 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 08:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think something that needs to be said- Fox has input with 3 of the big conferences- 2 that are guaranteed to survive- Big Ten and Pac 12- along with the Big 12 of course. I can see Fox telling the P12 to hold off initially- allow the ACC to get weaker by SEC and Big Ten- allowing Big 12 to poach the leftovers from the ACC- then getting the B12 teams for the P12- then having the B12 finish the job.

Stever you are absolutely correct!
By the same token, I can see ESPN doing everything possible to make the SEC and the ACC stronger. ESPN will prop up the Big 12 (Texas) long enough until the Longhorns consent to join the SEC. ESPN will probably want to eliminate all competition for the 24 million football fans in the state of Texas.

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(02-26-2013 06:35 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Also don't buy everyone waiting on exit fee.

I agree.

All you have to do is look at how the travel cost is killing West Virginia and you will see why ACC teams will not move to the Big 12. You had better hope the Big does not go after Kansas and the SEC does not go after West Virginia. The Big 12 would be an 8 team conference, and then the PAC 12 could take Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma and Ohlahoma State. There are lots of Big 12 schools that still hate being bulled by Texas. What goes around often comes around. 07-coffee3

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(02-26-2013 08:59 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 08:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think something that needs to be said- Fox has input with 3 of the big conferences- 2 that are guaranteed to survive- Big Ten and Pac 12- along with the Big 12 of course. I can see Fox telling the P12 to hold off initially- allow the ACC to get weaker by SEC and Big Ten- allowing Big 12 to poach the leftovers from the ACC- then getting the B12 teams for the P12- then having the B12 finish the job.

Stever you are absolutely correct!
By the same token, I can see ESPN doing everything possible to make the SEC and the ACC stronger. ESPN will prop up the Big 12 (Texas) long enough until the Longhorns consent to join the SEC. ESPN will probably want to eliminate all competition for the 24 million football fans in the state of Texas.

Hell freezing over will likely happen first.

Exactly.....when will people on this board learn that.
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(02-26-2013 09:44 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 09:41 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  VA, VA Tech, NC, and NCSU to B1G and SEC, B12 expands by four: Louisville, FSU, Clemson, and GaTech.

[b]TRUNCATED ACC:[/b]
Boston College/Syracuse
UConn/Temple
Pitt/Cincy
Wake Forest/Memphis
USF/UCF

FSU will want Miami instead of Lville......as would the networks.

The Big 12 had Lville begging for an invite for a long time, they even had Senators trying to strong-arm people into letting Lville into the Big 12, but they just don't do enough for the networks and would end up costing the league $.

Agree......you are right on target.
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(02-26-2013 11:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 11:05 AM)Topkat Wrote:  I thought the A-10 just got a new TV deal (with Butler + VCU) in October 2012 valued at a little over 300K per school?

The A10 has a lot of dismal TV properties that are just brutal. Fordham, RI, Duquesne, GW, etc.

The reason why the C7 will get 3 milllion plus from Fox is the fact that you have VCU, Butler, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette who have been to the final 4 in the last 10 years- and then other quality programs like St John's, Xavier, SLU- that are all really good.

Also you talk the market strategy- the C7 has the markets. New York, Philly, DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Richmond, Cincy, St Louis.

The networks already account for that by putting their most valuable properties on more and at prime times.

I have seen the C7 was to be offered 40M or so, but it isn't because of the A10 schools being added.

I have been watching the tv ratings for both football and basketball for a while now. Butler draws well on TV (at this moment), the rest of the A-10 possibly being added, not so much.

GTwn draws good ratings, Marquette has been strong except when playing the remaining C7 schools.

I don't doubt they will get paid, but if you watch the ratings when these schools play, its a head scratcher.
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I know a lot of the better A10 games are really backloaded this year. VCU plays Butler for the first time on Saturday I believe(after last week playing SLU and Xavier for the first time). Like I said- the dregs of the A10 are so bad- that really hurts them a lot.
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(02-26-2013 09:41 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  VA, VA Tech, NC, and NCSU to B1G and SEC, B12 expands by four: Louisville, FSU, Clemson, and GaTech. The truncated ACC would remain a strong basketball program and this is what it shoud emphasize because football wise, it cannot keep up with the Floridas, Alabamas, Texas's, and Michigans of the college football world. But ACC certainly would be a power player on the national scene in basketball.

TRUNCATED ACC:
Boston College/Syracuse
UConn/Temple
Pitt/Cincy
Wake Forest/Duke
ODU/Memphis
USF/Miami

ODU really? I think they take ECU before ODU.
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If this nonsense happens, then we're more likely to stay at eight teams than invite most of the riff raff on that list.
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(02-26-2013 12:02 PM)Topkat Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 11:16 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 11:05 AM)Topkat Wrote:  I thought the A-10 just got a new TV deal (with Butler + VCU) in October 2012 valued at a little over 300K per school?

The A10 has a lot of dismal TV properties that are just brutal. Fordham, RI, Duquesne, GW, etc.

The reason why the C7 will get 3 milllion plus from Fox is the fact that you have VCU, Butler, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette who have been to the final 4 in the last 10 years- and then other quality programs like St John's, Xavier, SLU- that are all really good.

Also you talk the market strategy- the C7 has the markets. New York, Philly, DC, Chicago, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Richmond, Cincy, St Louis.

The networks already account for that by putting their most valuable properties on more and at prime times.

I have seen the C7 was to be offered 40M or so, but it isn't because of the A10 schools being added.

I have been watching the tv ratings for both football and basketball for a while now. Butler draws well on TV (at this moment), the rest of the A-10 possibly being added, not so much.

GTwn draws good ratings, Marquette has been strong except when playing the remaining C7 schools.

I don't doubt they will get paid, but if you watch the ratings when these schools play, its a head scratcher.

Thanks for the info. Where are the ratings available?
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