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RE: Blaudschun--New BE/C-7 Split Offer Will Pay 18-25 Mil To Some Schools
I think that if the Aresco group had ended up with the Big East name, it would have become a national punchline. The name belongs with the teams who helped make it mean something in the first place - not some other schools who just happened to luck into it.

I suspect that Aresco and company realized as much and did whatever they could to maximize their profit. By the looks of things they did pretty damn well for themselves.
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RE: Blaudschun--New BE/C-7 Split Offer Will Pay 18-25 Mil To Some Schools
(03-03-2013 10:03 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:01 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  Nice work UConn, UC and USF. You evidently have 8 subserviant schools willing to capitulate to just about anything for the opportunity to play in this new Big American Conference. This gets wilder by the day. I will say the entertainment valie for this school years realignment has been priceless and I kind of feel like their is more to come.

To be fair, the incoming schools don't have a vote on this.

To have leverage, they'd have to come up with some pretty extreme options, like refusing to enter as a block and forming their own conference, or joining someone else's who would have them, together with Louisville and Rutgers for a year. That would fold Conference USF, meaning the exit fees go away, the NCAA credits go back to the schools who earned them, and the schools wouldn't owe anything for breaking the entry contracts.

Pretty extreme...but then, so this is this deal. Theres not a single newbie school that would agree to sell the name to the C-7 in exchange for one million dollars each. The name is far more valuable than that to the new schools in just the recruiting benefits alone. That means this is being done against the wishes of all 6 incoming schools. No wonder nothing got signed Friday and the only person talking about the meeting in glowing terms was the president of UConn.

Completely false. All of your presidents and AD's were at the BE meetings, and if there is a deal, signed off on the deal. FACT.

Never said they were not at the meeting. I said there is no way they would agree to sell the Big East name for one million each. Not one of those presidents is that stupid. FACT--we dont get a vote on this issue. FACT--We cannot stop the existing schools from doing this reported deal. FACT-no agreement was signed at that meeting. FACT-the "done deal" TV contract wasnt even signed. Im telling you that none of the incoming schools would sell the name for 1 million dollars each--not one. But it looks like there are 3 schools that would sell it for 18 million each.
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RE: Blaudschun--New BE/C-7 Split Offer Will Pay 18-25 Mil To Some Schools
If I'm UConn, Cincy and USF I say we just go to Swofford and say we'll endorse these checks to the ACC in exchange for membership. What do you say? Worth asking.
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RE: Blaudschun--New BE/C-7 Split Offer Will Pay 18-25 Mil To Some Schools
(03-03-2013 10:05 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 10:01 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Lets be honest, the average fan cant tick off all the names of every team in most conferences. But he has heard of the names of most conferences. A kid graduating from high school knows he has heard of the Big East, seen Big East teams on tv, seen them in BCS bowls, seen them NCAA tournament championships---those kids look forward to becoming part of the 34 year old history of that conference.

That's true now, when that kid thinks he's playing Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia and Louisville in a BCS conference. Two years from now, he knows he's playing SMU, UConn, and UCF in a lower-FBS conference.

Quote: A new conference nobody has ever heard of--not so much. Recruiting was never harder than in the early days of CUSA. Its a huge mistake to underestimate the value of that name recognition.

That was also when you had just been kicked out of the Southwest Conference. It's not like SMU, Rice and TCU had it easier in the well-known WAC.

We were not kicked out of the SWC, though you could argue that was the effective result (I have always argued that it was stupid not to rebuild the SWC using the schools used to form CUSA). SMU was still dealing with coming off the death penalty and Rice was, well Rice. Plus, the WAC was rarely televised in those days, so, it was relatively an unknown conference. Im not saying name is a panacea to cure all ills. The Big East name rcognition just has to be better than all the other non-AQ's. A new name will fail at even that minimally acceptable criteria.

As for the fact that recruits will suddenly realize Pitt and Syracuse are not there--perhaps. But they never seemed to notice that Miami and Virginia Tech were not there.
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am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?
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Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)
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(03-03-2013 10:47 PM)boss man Wrote:  
Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)

I can see your point. It does suck for these schools. They should get something especially from the departure of bosie and san diego.
Curious though why you think ECU and Tulane should get less than the others?
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(03-03-2013 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:45 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Pretty extreme...but then, so this is this deal. Theres not a single newbie school that would agree to sell the name to the C-7 in exchange for one million dollars each. The name is far more valuable than that to the new schools in just the recruiting benefits alone. That means this is being done against the wishes of all 6 incoming schools. No wonder nothing got signed Friday and the only person talking about the meeting in glowing terms was the president of UConn.

You know this how?


Because my IQ exceeds 50.

You must not have attended UH then.
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RE: Blaudschun--New BE/C-7 Split Offer Will Pay 18-25 Mil To Some Schools
Let's be realistic here: who has been hurt the most in this round of reallignment? UC, UConn, and USF. No one else comes even close except New Mexico State.

Exit fees exist partly to help the schools that get hurt stay on their feet. The new schools that we invited are arguably better off than they were a few years ago, so why do they deserve anything? The C-7 wasn't really hurt that much either. I don't see why people are complaining that the schools who are hurt the most will end up getting the exit fees that other schools are contractually obligated to pay us.
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(03-03-2013 10:29 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

I would say that because the league that was advertised, along with the money promised, to those willing to jump ship got shot to SH** with your defections. Could be argued that none would have moved if the split had come prior.
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(03-03-2013 11:06 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:45 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 09:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Pretty extreme...but then, so this is this deal. Theres not a single newbie school that would agree to sell the name to the C-7 in exchange for one million dollars each. The name is far more valuable than that to the new schools in just the recruiting benefits alone. That means this is being done against the wishes of all 6 incoming schools. No wonder nothing got signed Friday and the only person talking about the meeting in glowing terms was the president of UConn.

You know this how?


Because my IQ exceeds 50.

You must not have attended UH then.

lol...now that was funny.
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The short version, if you will.
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(03-03-2013 10:47 PM)boss man Wrote:  
Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)

So let me get this straight, teams that can't even make the proposed contract worth more than 2-3 mill a year, feels entitled to moneys acquired without them! Sounds like these new teams thought they hit the lottery!
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(03-03-2013 11:54 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 10:47 PM)boss man Wrote:  
Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)


So let me get this straight, teams that can't even make the proposed contract worth more than 2-3 mill a year, feels entitled to moneys acquired without them! Sounds like these new teams thought they hit the lottery!


By the C7 defecting you took the lottery with you. The invitees were coming to save your football issues.
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Something will get negotiated, USF, Cincy, and Uconn don't have all the leverage, because the newbies could say phuck off, and go to CUSA or to form their own conference, and USF, Cincy, and Uconn would be playing football in the MAC and Sunbelt. The entry fees will be reduced or the payouts for the first few years will be subsidized by exit fee money or something. The leftover 3 aren't going to just eat at the gravy train while everyone else is getting sodimized.
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(03-03-2013 11:54 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 10:47 PM)boss man Wrote:  
Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)

So let me get this straight, teams that can't even make the proposed contract worth more than 2-3 mill a year, feels entitled to moneys acquired without them! Sounds like these new teams thought they hit the lottery!

The conference no longer has Notre Dame. The conference no longer has Louisville, Boise, SDSU, and Rutgers. The conference no longer has the the C-7. The conference is no longer AQ. The last legitimate asset that the conference owns is the name---and the 3 remaining schools are attempting to strip the conference of that name, sell it, pocket the money, and then hold thier hand out for the 2.5 million dollar entry fee they charged when the conference had AQ status, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Louisville, Boise, SDSU, the C-7, and a well known name brand. Sure some of misfortune that has afflicted the conference was unavoidable. This, however, is entirely avoidable an in my mind, this rises to the level of bad faith. Im fine if the 3 remaining schools keep every cent of thier half of the monies from the exit fees and credits. All Im asking is just dont sell the name.
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(03-04-2013 12:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 11:54 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 10:47 PM)boss man Wrote:  
Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)

So let me get this straight, teams that can't even make the proposed contract worth more than 2-3 mill a year, feels entitled to moneys acquired without them! Sounds like these new teams thought they hit the lottery!

The conference no longer has Notre Dame. The conference no longer has Louisville, Boise, SDSU, and Rutgers. The conference no longer has the the C-7. The conference is no longer AQ. The last legitimate asset that the conference owns is the name---and the 3 remaining schools are attempting to strip the conference of that name, sell it, pocket the money, and then hold thier hand out for the 2.5 million dollar entry fee they charged when the conference had AQ status, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Louisville, Boise, SDSU, the C-7, and a well known name brand. Sure some of misfortune that has afflicted the conference was unavoidable. This, however, is entirely avoidable an in my mind, this rises to the level of bad faith.

I think the newbies will get their entrance fee waived which is why they probably agreed to it. Think about it, the leftover 3 wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court, because the league the schools signed up to join no longer exists, even in name.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. If entry fees arent waived or the new schools aren't compensated in some way you have every right to be furious.
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(03-03-2013 11:56 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 11:54 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 10:47 PM)boss man Wrote:  
Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)


So let me get this straight, teams that can't even make the proposed contract worth more than 2-3 mill a year, feels entitled to moneys acquired without them! Sounds like these new teams thought they hit the lottery!


By the C7 defecting you took the lottery with you. The invitees were coming to save your football issues.
Why are these new teams leaving their current conferences again? I wouldn't worry about the likes of Uconn, Cinny, or USF because at least 2 out of the 3 will be taken care of at some point.
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(03-03-2013 11:54 PM)Mr. Derfman Wrote:  
(03-03-2013 10:47 PM)boss man Wrote:  
Quote:am i missing something? why do some fans of the incoming schools feel they are entitled to some of the $$$ the c7 and current fb schools are bargaining over?

Yes, you are missing something.

One other FACT that Attackcoog neglected to mention but is very relevant - the Big East conference that invited MEMPHIS, Houston, SMU, and UCF in Feb 2012 is NOT AT ALL the conference those four universities will be joining on 7-1-13. Hell, we aren't evenin joining the "Big East"!! That is a legitimate grievance and probably explains why there was NOT a contract signed in the Atlanta airport.

I know, the C-7 defectors don't give a 01-scout but this is ridiculous. No wonder the Atlanta meeting (call) was a disaster. Tense, indeed.

UConn, Cincy, and USF (and Temple) do deserve a larger cut of the monies. No argument at all. But, yeah, the new members deserve something to compensate the huge loss of premier schools over the past year.

A fairer split IMHO of the $75mm:
Aresco office - $4mm
Connecticut, USF, Cincinnati - $13mm each ($39mm total)
Temple (in 1 year for FB) - $6mm
MEMPHIS, SMU, Houston, UCF - $5mm each ($20mm total)
Tulane and ECU (when they join) - $3mm each ($6mm total)

So let me get this straight, teams that can't even make the proposed contract worth more than 2-3 mill a year, feels entitled to moneys acquired without them! Sounds like these new teams thought they hit the lottery!

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Quote:The $100 million total is a combination of nearly 70 million dollars the Big East has and will collect in exit fee money from schools that have left or have announced they are leaving and another total of approximately $30 million which will come to the Big East offices from the NCAA as “unit” shares for conference teams participation in the NCAA men’s basketball tournament.

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The oBE/nBE are liquidating the basketball fund. It makes the oBE basically worthless because the incoming schools aren't going to be able to rely on NCAA basketball money.
03-04-2013 02:28 AM
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