Blaudschun is reporting that the 3 remaining Big East football schools have agreed to sell the name to the C-7 for a boatload of money, and keep it all to themselves, with $1M each going to the incoming schools.

So what recourse do the incoming schools have?

Not come in. Without UCF, SMU, Houston, and Memphis, they're down to 5 schools. At that point, it would be worth about $10M each to Louisville and Rutgers to cause the Aresco League to fold. Where could those six schools go?

Well, what about the WAC? The WAC is an established FBS conference, sort of, with 2 stranded FBS schools, NMSU and Idaho, and 6 other members coming in.

Speaking of folded FBS conferences, what about the Big West? They could take in the homeless CUSA/Big East teams. They could call up SDSU and Boise again and get the ball rolling again for an all-sports national conference. You'd have HAwaii, and getting SJSU, Fresno STate, UNLV or UNR to come wouldn't be much of a stretch.

they could NOT come and then pay an exit fee to the 3 that are getting this windfall

(03-03-2013 10:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  they could NOT come and then pay an exit fee to the 3 that are getting this windfall

No, if they don't come, then there is no league. Conference TBA would be down to UConn, Cincy, USF, Temple, Notre Dame, Rutgers and Louisville. One of Notre DAme, Rutgers and Louisville would find a way out, and the others would follow. No conference, no exit fees. No conference, no entry or non-entry fees. No conference, no tournament credits.

I have to say if this actually goes down it will be a complete and utter d@ck move by Cincinnati, Connecticut, and South Florida. They know the incoming schools have no other option but to roll with it. They don't have to distribute it evenly, but spread the wealth a little more than they are.

(03-03-2013 10:48 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I have to say if this actually goes down it will be a complete and utter d@ck move by Cincinnati, Connecticut, and South Florida. They know the incoming schools have no other option but to roll with it. They don't have to distribute it evenly, but spread the wealth a little more than they are.

Maybe Syracuse can share some of their wealth since they played a huge part in the c7 moving on!

(03-03-2013 10:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 10:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  they could NOT come and then pay an exit fee to the 3 that are getting this windfall

No, if they don't come, then there is no league. Conference TBA would be down to UConn, Cincy, USF, Temple, Notre Dame, Rutgers and Louisville. One of Notre DAme, Rutgers and Louisville would find a way out, and the others would follow. No conference, no exit fees. No conference, no entry or non-entry fees. No conference, no tournament credits.

if they dont come could that change anything for the c7 in terms of paying for the name or getting out early?

(03-03-2013 10:48 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I have to say if this actually goes down it will be a complete and utter d@ck move by Cincinnati, Connecticut, and South Florida. They know the incoming schools have no other option but to roll with it. They don't have to distribute it evenly, but spread the wealth a little more than they are.

Cuse, Pitt, and WVU left the Big East and good for them they're getting paid. but I'm pretty sure by renouncing the BE thy and their fans shouldn't be able to talk s$& about UConn, USF and Cincinnati for wan tinting to leave too

The CUSA six have to realize that they are essentially joining a conference of Temple and USF and two schools -- UConn and Cincinnati -- who are looking for a window to crawl out of. Just find an airport to meet in, start the new conference and forget the Big East drama. If they want to invite Temple and USF (or even Cincinnati), they can do so, but it would be them calling the shots, not UConn, Cincinnati and USF.

(03-04-2013 12:40 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  The CUSA six have to realize that they are essentially joining a conference of Temple and USF and two schools -- UConn and Cincinnati -- who are looking for a window to crawl out of. Just find an airport to meet in, start the new conference and forget the Big East drama. If they want to invite Temple and USF (or even Cincinnati), they can do so, but it would be them calling the shots, not UConn, Cincinnati and USF.

Temple is looking for their out as well, they dream of the ACC... I'm telling you if these school joining had any idea it was going to get this bad they would have stayed in their conferences.

The only thing keeping them moving into their new "home" is the fees already paid, the fees they would have to pay to change course, and the fact CUSA went nuts restocking.

Sorry JB the new schools wont be saving your backsides. Take your name and go have fun.

(03-03-2013 10:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Blaudschun is reporting that the 3 remaining Big East football schools have agreed to sell the name to the C-7 for a boatload of money, and keep it all to themselves, with $1M each going to the incoming schools.

So what recourse do the incoming schools have?

Not come in. Without UCF, SMU, Houston, and Memphis, they're down to 5 schools. At that point, it would be worth about $10M each to Louisville and Rutgers to cause the Aresco League to fold. Where could those six schools go?

Well, what about the WAC? The WAC is an established FBS conference, sort of, with 2 stranded FBS schools, NMSU and Idaho, and 6 other members coming in.

Speaking of folded FBS conferences, what about the Big West? They could take in the homeless CUSA/Big East teams. They could call up SDSU and Boise again and get the ball rolling again for an all-sports national conference. You'd have HAwaii, and getting SJSU, Fresno STate, UNLV or UNR to come wouldn't be much of a stretch.

Just out of curiosity, why this post, the same post your rejected previously? Don't get me wrong. Post anything you want. But I am curious as this post, especially when you have no dog in the hunt.
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=621530

(03-04-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 10:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Blaudschun is reporting that the 3 remaining Big East football schools have agreed to sell the name to the C-7 for a boatload of money, and keep it all to themselves, with $1M each going to the incoming schools.

So what recourse do the incoming schools have?

Not come in. Without UCF, SMU, Houston, and Memphis, they're down to 5 schools. At that point, it would be worth about $10M each to Louisville and Rutgers to cause the Aresco League to fold. Where could those six schools go?

Well, what about the WAC? The WAC is an established FBS conference, sort of, with 2 stranded FBS schools, NMSU and Idaho, and 6 other members coming in.

Speaking of folded FBS conferences, what about the Big West? They could take in the homeless CUSA/Big East teams. They could call up SDSU and Boise again and get the ball rolling again for an all-sports national conference. You'd have HAwaii, and getting SJSU, Fresno STate, UNLV or UNR to come wouldn't be much of a stretch.

Just out of curiosity, why this post, the same post your rejected previously? Don't get me wrong. Post anything you want. But I am curious as this post, especially when you have no dog in the hunt.
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=621530

You phrased it as a question, and it was one you knew the answer to.

I suggested a couple of off-the-wall courses of action. You just tossed the question out there to watch the fireworks.

And mine was in response to a new development, not just chum to stir up what had been a slow week.

That's my perspective on the differences.

This is ridiculous. We deserve it because we were hurt the most by reallignment.

Part of the purpose of exit fees is to compensate schools who are hurt by departing schools. In 2015 our revenue from the conference will be about $5-6 million less than it is this year (tv contracts, bowl revenue, NCAA credits). Even if you spread the $25 million over only 4 years, we're still barely breaking even here.

In reality we're hurt even worse than that because we had anticipated getting $10-15 million MORE than this year (because we were already undervalued). Our admins have been kicking in $10 million/year to the AD budget in order to keep up with the Joneses (particularly such pesky neighbors as the Boilers, Wildcats, and Illini who we compete with for recruits). We had anticipated that number to go down, but now it's going to have to increase even if we want to just tread water.

The C-7 will be fine. Oh sure they deserve something, and they're getting a good amount in the settlement(3.5 million/school).

The new Aresco League members are actually getting a substantial boost to their media and bowl money. They did nothing to deserve any of the exit fees. Their only legit complaint is that they thought they were getting to play BE basketball. They're getting $1 million each to compensate for that, which is overly generous. IMO it's hush money to keep them from raising the type of stink that the OP is suggesting.

The incoming schools could just as easily decide to form their own conference. IMO they hold all the cards in this game. All they need to do is play 'em...

(03-04-2013 11:27 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The incoming schools could just as easily decide to form their own conference. IMO they hold all the cards in this game. All they need to do is play 'em...

This. If there was EVER a time to form a new conference, this would be the time. Looks like the BE keeps burning the village to save it, til there's nothing left to save, even the name.
Get away from being a Northeastern league, & the TV exec posing as a Commissioner.

One comment about UC being hit the hardest by realignment...that's true, but try being one of the programs left behind for market size in 2004.
At least you've had a few years at the trough.

(03-04-2013 11:27 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The incoming schools could just as easily decide to form their own conference. IMO they hold all the cards in this game. All they need to do is play 'em...

Actually, they couldn't just form their own conference. The NCAA requires I think a minimum of 8 all sports teams to be recognized and they wouldn't have an auto bid to the NCAA tournament for a while.

(03-04-2013 11:53 AM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 11:27 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The incoming schools could just as easily decide to form their own conference. IMO they hold all the cards in this game. All they need to do is play 'em...

Actually, they couldn't just form their own conference. The NCAA requires I think a minimum of 8 all sports teams to be recognized and they wouldn't have an auto bid to the NCAA tournament for a while.

I'm very sure that a Memphis team with ~26 wins, a 14-2 conference record, and an RPI in the 30s would be a fairly safe at-large bid. It is also easier to control your RPI in an 8-team conference compared to a 12/14/16-team conference. More OOC games that you can tailor for either wins or SOS - depending on the focus of the university at that time.

(03-04-2013 11:27 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The incoming schools could just as easily decide to form their own conference. IMO they hold all the cards in this game. All they need to do is play 'em...

So.. lets start a league for 2013 that includes no TV deal, no autobid, not large scale media backer, no established sponsors and forgo the last year of the BCS payout out of spite... If the idea was to do this for 2014, I could see it possibly happening, but now, no way.

That whole scenario is a nonstarter. Do you really think that even though it took 2 to 3 years of negotiation to get a TV deal figured out for the BE that a new league could get it done by July? There is no longterm brands, no established headliners so to speak, to drive a deal like this getting done. No TV partner will be willing to just run with this concept. The pilot studies for the media exposure would just be finishing by the time the deadline to have a deal done. At best you would be looking at a paltry sum because of the risk of being unable to secure advertisers.

Any fan willing to not have any home game of their team on TV all year next year in any sport? At best you get a local distribution rights deal.

(03-04-2013 09:13 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-04-2013 08:05 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 10:17 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Blaudschun is reporting that the 3 remaining Big East football schools have agreed to sell the name to the C-7 for a boatload of money, and keep it all to themselves, with $1M each going to the incoming schools.

So what recourse do the incoming schools have?

Not come in. Without UCF, SMU, Houston, and Memphis, they're down to 5 schools. At that point, it would be worth about $10M each to Louisville and Rutgers to cause the Aresco League to fold. Where could those six schools go?

Well, what about the WAC? The WAC is an established FBS conference, sort of, with 2 stranded FBS schools, NMSU and Idaho, and 6 other members coming in.

Speaking of folded FBS conferences, what about the Big West? They could take in the homeless CUSA/Big East teams. They could call up SDSU and Boise again and get the ball rolling again for an all-sports national conference. You'd have HAwaii, and getting SJSU, Fresno STate, UNLV or UNR to come wouldn't be much of a stretch.

Just out of curiosity, why this post, the same post your rejected previously? Don't get me wrong. Post anything you want. But I am curious as this post, especially when you have no dog in the hunt.
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=621530

You phrased it as a question, and it was one you knew the answer to.

I suggested a couple of off-the-wall courses of action. You just tossed the question out there to watch the fireworks.

And mine was in response to a new development, not just chum to stir up what had been a slow week.

That's my perspective on the differences.

So, then, a period is okay; a question mark is not???? A thin line of defense....but that is what I expected.

And telling Nbe invitees to go to the WAC? Oh, I guess that is okay because it ends with a period? And not a question mark?

The remaining Big East schools are doing this because...they can. If they want to sell their name its theirs and the C7 doesn't have to pay for it. The C7 also doesn't have to leave either. The incoming schools would be getting more than they started with so its in their interest to accept the extra money for something they're not invested in.

No amalgamation of primarily state supported institutions is going to take UConn to help a few very private institutions out if it doesn't benefit them. There's nothing wrong with UConn but if no one was willing to take them before, this doesn't change that.

I kind of don't get what the big deal is about the C7 anyway. It has power programs Georgetown, Marquette and Villanova. Three programs. And it includes DePaul, which doesn't even have a place to play home games within an hour or so of campus (and has no plans to build anything).There's nothing wrong with St. John's, Seton Hall or Providence, but they're not spectacular either. The big deal about the c7 is what they could potentially add from other conferences, which is presumably a big part of why they're doing this.

If you want to leave, do so knowing what the exit fees are. Departing schools aren't entitled to keep the departing conference's name. It's a brand new conference no matter what you call it. I think the new conference will be great for basketball with additions.