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To clarify, I said there will be a Western group and an Eastern group. What form they decide to take involves a lot of moving pieces, obviously, but this much is clear:

- If one conference ultimately forms with those groups in separate divisions (or pods, cubicles, silos, ...), that internal distinction cuts down on (nearly) coast-to-coast travel...except for olympic sports. The NCAA has a requirement that conferences sponsor a minimum number of non-football sports to remain FBS. There is a further requirement, however, that a conference can only "officially" sponsor a sport if every school in the conference that plays that sport competes within the conference...and that includes the stipulation that all schools must play against each other. So softball, volleyball, soccer, tennis, et. al. now MUST travel (nearly) coast-to-coast a certain number of times every season (which is more times than they do now).

- If two conferences ultimately form, then not only is something resembling the "Merlliance" agreement feasible but the Western and Eastern groups can schedule each other however and as often as they wish per individual sport. Other sports are only required to compete with other schools in their conference.

Starting a conference from scratch is a HUGE deal. It has to get approved by the NCAA, be granted an autobid, shop for the best deal on a TV contract, and a million other things. Of course, there is an existing conference out West with the willingness, capacity, and framework to expand, and there are a few existing conferences in the East...which individually may fit the capacity/framework standard better than others. Oh, but one of them just happens to be due some $$'s in exit fees from many of the schools making up the Eastern group. I would assume those decision makers would agree that it's one thing to pay a conference to leave so you can join what you perceive as a "better" conference. It's another thing altogether to pay to create something new or to pay to leave a conference where you receive over $1 million per year just from media rights to join one where teams receive $0 per year from said rights. We'll see how things play out.
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(03-04-2013 09:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Our leadership is about as smart as 1980's pet rock. Nothing would suprise me at this point. I think my mood ring just tuned black.

You are KILLIN' me, Coog! Come on over, you'll love it in the West. I want the Coogs to visit Ft Collins in Nov/Dec -- to see you sucking the oxygen tanks and wearing every coat available -- just like you want to see our high country azzes passing out in the mid-Sept heat & humidity.

You can bring someone with you, too. That'll enable the one-trick Broncos to face Cali, like they want to do anyway. (Note: I can't officially say 'one-trick' right now -- their roundball squad just kicked our pretty-dang-good butts last weekend.)

Whaddya say, Coogs?
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(03-04-2013 09:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Our leadership is about as smart as 1980's pet rock. Nothing would suprise me at this point. I think my mood ring just tuned black.

Your leadership is who you should of had 30 years ago.
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(03-04-2013 11:37 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 09:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Our leadership is about as smart as 1980's pet rock. Nothing would suprise me at this point. I think my mood ring just tuned black.

Your leadership is who you should of had 30 years ago.

lol....I was talking about the Big East.
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(03-04-2013 10:51 PM)blazr Wrote:  To clarify, I said there will be a Western group and an Eastern group. What form they decide to take involves a lot of moving pieces, obviously, but this much is clear:

- If one conference ultimately forms with those groups in separate divisions (or pods, cubicles, silos, ...), that internal distinction cuts down on (nearly) coast-to-coast travel...except for olympic sports. The NCAA has a requirement that conferences sponsor a minimum number of non-football sports to remain FBS. There is a further requirement, however, that a conference can only "officially" sponsor a sport if every school in the conference that plays that sport competes within the conference...and that includes the stipulation that all schools must play against each other. So softball, volleyball, soccer, tennis, et. al. now MUST travel (nearly) coast-to-coast a certain number of times every season (which is more times than they do now).

- If two conferences ultimately form, then not only is something resembling the "Merlliance" agreement feasible but the Western and Eastern groups can schedule each other however and as often as they wish per individual sport. Other sports are only required to compete with other schools in their conference.

Starting a conference from scratch is a HUGE deal. It has to get approved by the NCAA, be granted an autobid, shop for the best deal on a TV contract, and a million other things. Of course, there is an existing conference out West with the willingness, capacity, and framework to expand, and there are a few existing conferences in the East...which individually may fit the capacity/framework standard better than others. Oh, but one of them just happens to be due some $$'s in exit fees from many of the schools making up the Eastern group. I would assume those decision makers would agree that it's one thing to pay a conference to leave so you can join what you perceive as a "better" conference. It's another thing altogether to pay to create something new or to pay to leave a conference where you receive over $1 million per year just from media rights to join one where teams receive $0 per year from said rights. We'll see how things play out.

The NCAA does not require any sport to schedule every team within a conference. In fact, the NCAA rules only requires five games to be scheduled within a conference for every sport other than basketball (which requires a minimum of 14 conference games or a double round-robin). Individual sports are not required to hold any conference games (matches), provided they hold a conference tournament that everyone is invited to at the end of a season.
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(03-04-2013 01:55 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Aresco needs to step up and actually lead. Things didn't start to unravel until he came into the picture.

You mean when BC, VTech and Miami took off for the ACC?
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(03-05-2013 12:59 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 10:51 PM)blazr Wrote:  To clarify, I said there will be a Western group and an Eastern group. What form they decide to take involves a lot of moving pieces, obviously, but this much is clear:

- If one conference ultimately forms with those groups in separate divisions (or pods, cubicles, silos, ...), that internal distinction cuts down on (nearly) coast-to-coast travel...except for olympic sports. The NCAA has a requirement that conferences sponsor a minimum number of non-football sports to remain FBS. There is a further requirement, however, that a conference can only "officially" sponsor a sport if every school in the conference that plays that sport competes within the conference...and that includes the stipulation that all schools must play against each other. So softball, volleyball, soccer, tennis, et. al. now MUST travel (nearly) coast-to-coast a certain number of times every season (which is more times than they do now).

- If two conferences ultimately form, then not only is something resembling the "Merlliance" agreement feasible but the Western and Eastern groups can schedule each other however and as often as they wish per individual sport. Other sports are only required to compete with other schools in their conference.

Starting a conference from scratch is a HUGE deal. It has to get approved by the NCAA, be granted an autobid, shop for the best deal on a TV contract, and a million other things. Of course, there is an existing conference out West with the willingness, capacity, and framework to expand, and there are a few existing conferences in the East...which individually may fit the capacity/framework standard better than others. Oh, but one of them just happens to be due some $$'s in exit fees from many of the schools making up the Eastern group. I would assume those decision makers would agree that it's one thing to pay a conference to leave so you can join what you perceive as a "better" conference. It's another thing altogether to pay to create something new or to pay to leave a conference where you receive over $1 million per year just from media rights to join one where teams receive $0 per year from said rights. We'll see how things play out.

The NCAA does not require any sport to schedule every team within a conference. In fact, the NCAA rules only requires five games to be scheduled within a conference for every sport other than basketball (which requires a minimum of 14 conference games or a double round-robin). Individual sports are not required to hold any conference games (matches), provided they hold a conference tournament that everyone is invited to at the end of a season.

True dat. I'm glad the NCAA doesn't require this kind of non-sense, especially for the Oly sports.
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So...
Disgruntled old CUSA = 6
CUSA = 14
MWC = 12

Total = 32

Does blazr's vision become reality? 2 16-team conferences?

I still don't know.

Ultimate call if it happens though.
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(03-04-2013 11:26 PM)All Rams All The Time Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 09:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Our leadership is about as smart as 1980's pet rock. Nothing would suprise me at this point. I think my mood ring just tuned black.

You are KILLIN' me, Coog! Come on over, you'll love it in the West. I want the Coogs to visit Ft Collins in Nov/Dec -- to see you sucking the oxygen tanks and wearing every coat available -- just like you want to see our high country azzes passing out in the mid-Sept heat & humidity.

You can bring someone with you, too. That'll enable the one-trick Broncos to face Cali, like they want to do anyway. (Note: I can't officially say 'one-trick' right now -- their roundball squad just kicked our pretty-dang-good butts last weekend.)

Whaddya say, Coogs?

Right.............. Were 3-1 against you and you wanna talk smack? Your 1 win was at home but it was a 3 point win in Septmeber. Our other trip to Ft. Collins was in November and we seem to have "managed" to win despite the conditions.....

We can play in the cold so don't worry. The thing is we have zero desire to play you.
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(03-05-2013 03:15 PM)The Eye Wrote:  So...
Disgruntled old CUSA = 6
CUSA = 14
MWC = 12

Total = 32

Does blazr's vision become reality? 2 16-team conferences?

I still don't know.

Ultimate call if it happens though.

Except that leaves out the BE 4. Adding them back in gets to 36. I tend to believe it could be correct only if conferences above grab some schools to replace moves that have been made.
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(03-05-2013 03:40 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:15 PM)The Eye Wrote:  So...
Disgruntled old CUSA = 6
CUSA = 14
MWC = 12

Total = 32

Does blazr's vision become reality? 2 16-team conferences?

I still don't know.

Ultimate call if it happens though.

Except that leaves out the BE 4. Adding them back in gets to 36. I tend to believe it could be correct only if conferences above grab some schools to replace moves that have been made.

This is his vision, just making the numbers fit. :-)

Why do those 4 have to be part of one of these two conferences? Take the $30 million and go indy. Temple can go back to MAC.
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(03-05-2013 03:43 PM)The Eye Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:40 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:15 PM)The Eye Wrote:  So...
Disgruntled old CUSA = 6
CUSA = 14
MWC = 12

Total = 32

Does blazr's vision become reality? 2 16-team conferences?

I still don't know.

Ultimate call if it happens though.

Except that leaves out the BE 4. Adding them back in gets to 36. I tend to believe it could be correct only if conferences above grab some schools to replace moves that have been made.

This is his vision, just making the numbers fit. :-)

Why do those 4 have to be part of one of these two conferences? Take the $30 million and go indy. Temple can go back to MAC.

Given the disgruntled state of Temple's BOT, they might just drop football entirely and stay in the A10. There's a lot that can happen and obviously the path isn't paved all the way just yet.
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Not sure why anyone getting screwed in the money grab would care what happens to the other four. Temple may easily land back in the A10 and Cincy and U Conn are at least on a semi waiting seat to move somewhere. Hell, go tell them to take the money and pound sand.
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There is no legitimate information available that Temple is considering dropping football or returning to the A10. The alleged inside information posted on the Conference TBD board about the Temple BOT is just standard message board BS.
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(03-05-2013 03:37 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Were 3-1 against you and you wanna talk smack?

Eee-zeee there, Coog. No one's talking any smack here. (Decaf, brother.) I've had the same good-natured banter with other Houston fans, and they all laugh at the altitude and humidity stuff.

Jus' sayin', if the nBE isn't what you signed up for, there's a very stable conference in the West. One you could pistol-whip to your heart's content (chuckle).

All in the name of Don't-Hate-Those-Left-Out-of-the-Obscenely-Compensated-Four/Five,
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(03-05-2013 04:31 PM)All Rams All The Time Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:37 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Were 3-1 against you and you wanna talk smack?

Eee-zeee there, Coog. No one's talking any smack here. (Decaf, brother.) I've had the same good-natured banter with other Houston fans, and they all laugh at the altitude and humidity stuff.

Jus' sayin', if the nBE isn't what you signed up for, there's a very stable conference in the West. One you could pistol-whip to your heart's content (chuckle).

All in the name of Don't-Hate-Those-Left-Out-of-the-Obscenely-Compensated-Four/Five,
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It's cool it came off as such. No hate here just being honest that (at least for me....) I don't want to be in the MWC.

But with each passing day the thought is becoming less unappealing.....

My main issues with the MWC are:

1. The low pay. I know I know don't get me started about the NBE deal but the MWC's isn't any better.

2. The unequal revenue for Boise State (my biggest beef). The thing is I like Boise and for the few months we were "co members" of the coming NBE I liked the fans and looked forward to the potential rivalry. But the poison pill of a special deal for Boise stings too much.

3. Playing Wyoming, UNLV (in FB), New Mexico, and yes to be honest Colorado State has no appeal to me. At least in whatever this damn league will be called we will be playing what amounts to the best of CUSA (sans Tulane) with Uconn, Cincy, and Temple to boot once they get off their tails and add either Tulsa or USM.

4. Everything that was appealing (except Boise and SDST) is gone. BYU, Utah, TCU....
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(03-04-2013 02:38 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 01:43 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Could the latest drama in the Big East (basically fire sale of all assets) be what pushes the "homeless" schools into the Alliance with the MWC??? It's an intersting thought if you ask me.

Food for thought - The MWC has the autobids, Boise State, the ability to make our own TV revenue (something Terry Holland wants for ECU), the basketball power Memphis & Temple would want and stability.

At this point I might be warming up to this..... A LOT.

Yep, I never would have thought it would happen, And I was totally against it, but after the latest crap UCONN, Cincy, and USF have started its time to cut the cord and join the MWC....

Ahh, you mean the new division II football. They are giving up if they do this or they think they will make it to the big time before then. That would be a sad day indeed.
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