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RE: Rumor: USF/UCF to Big 12
USF & UCF are the teams that scare me in realignment. Sure UC has had more success in FB & BB, but the POTENTIAL is big with both of these programs. USF needs a good coach and some legitimacy. The BE gave them some, but they never had the coach. B12 would give them the hook to get into the door for some very good recruits. UCF, is a few years behind USF but has the same type of potential. UC is a solid RBI double for any BCS conference, USF or UCF could be a potential home run.

I can believe this because of the markets, the potential, the huge enrollment of the school etc. Also, the B12 commish did drop that line about bringing in a school and growing them.

I don't believe this rumor, because I think it is either someone is either baiting the fanbases...or the B12 may float this rumor to put some pressure on FSU/and or Miami. Miami isn't what it once was and USF/UCF could easily take one of the top 3 spots with B12 money and name.
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(03-04-2013 04:38 PM)justinslot Wrote:  Doesn't Tuxedo Yoda make The Dude of West Virginia look like Pete Thamel?

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Pretty accurate description.
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(03-04-2013 03:55 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 03:52 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  We could have had UL and USF and passed but now we are gonna take UCF? Gimme a break. Big 12 is staying at 10 unless we get an ACC school

The combined market of Tampa/Orlando is bigger than just about any ACC school. B12 must think long term. You know full well from playing USF the kind of potential that both of these schools possess. MEGA potential, with an emphasis on mega. Come down to Tampa so you can get beat again, ok.

Except that "potential market" also competes with Florida and Florida state... At some point that factors in...
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(03-04-2013 10:17 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  USF & UCF are the teams that scare me in realignment. Sure UC has had more success in FB & BB, but the POTENTIAL is big with both of these programs. USF needs a good coach and some legitimacy. The BE gave them some, but they never had the coach. B12 would give them the hook to get into the door for some very good recruits. UCF, is a few years behind USF but has the same type of potential. UC is a solid RBI double for any BCS conference, USF or UCF could be a potential home run.

I can believe this because of the markets, the potential, the huge enrollment of the school etc. Also, the B12 commish did drop that line about bringing in a school and growing them.

I don't believe this rumor, because I think it is either someone is either baiting the fanbases...or the B12 may float this rumor to put some pressure on FSU/and or Miami. Miami isn't what it once was and USF/UCF could easily take one of the top 3 spots with B12 money and name.
This is my line of thought too... to pressure FSU and Miami to make up their minds more quickly.
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The Big 12 doesn't want UM. UM's glory days are behind them.
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UCF and USF will never be in the B12. However, there is a point to be made here. UCF and USF are very attractive and, along with Cincy and UConn, are going to dump Nbe Clustersmuck at the first opportunity.
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If I were B12 I'd go with USF, Tulane, Cincy, and Memphis, but wait to see if Tulane & Memphis get to respectable football status. That's 4 new tv markets for them and helps out with WVU eastern division.
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RE: Rumor: USF/UCF to Big 12
(03-04-2013 09:12 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 08:40 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Guys the source on this is about as bad as they come. I would trust rumors started by posters on this board more than I would believe Tux Yoda

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

The fact that he's a bad source doesn't mean there's not some validity to this. It just makes too much sense to be dismissed lightly.

On the contrary, IMO it doesn't make much sense at all.
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March 4, 2013


Seeing Riches in Sports TV, Fox Will Create New Network

By RICHARD SANDOMIR and AMY CHOZICK


For Rupert Murdoch, creating a national cable sports network in the United States to compete with ESPN has been his white whale — a tantalizing television opportunity but one of the few fields that his media empire has not conquered.

But two decades after shaking up the sports broadcasting world for the first time by acquiring N.F.L. rights, Murdoch has plans to challenge ESPN head on and claim some of the lucrative revenue that the sports media giant has had largely to itself for more than three decades.

On Tuesday, Fox will announce its intention to start Fox Sports 1, an all-sports network, in August.

The channel will carry Nascar races, Major League Baseball games, college basketball and football, soccer and U.F.C. fights. It will also broadcast studio shows, including one that is to be hosted by Regis Philbin, a celebrated Notre Dame fan.

Murdoch’s effort is a long shot to topple ESPN, or at least take a huge bite out of it.

ESPN brings in more than $6 billion annually from its industry-high subscriber fees. It owns the rights to televise Major League Baseball; the N.F.L.; the N.B.A.; Nascar; tennis; myriad collegiate conferences; the Bowl Championship Series and its new playoffs; and a raft of other sports. Both ESPN and ESPN2 have 98.5 million subscribers.

It is a true empire, with eight domestic cable channels; the ESPN3 broadband network; the Web sites ESPN.com and Grantland.com; a radio network; digital properties like ESPNw, which focuses on women’s sports; a magazine; the WatchESPN app, which enables viewing of ESPN on computers, smartphones and tablets; and ownership of the Global X Games, college basketball tournaments and seven bowl games.

Fox Sports 1 will join a market that is far more crowded than it was when Murdoch first contemplated squaring off against ESPN. Not only will Fox face the dominance of ESPN, but NBC and CBS have their own sports channels, which are struggling for viewers and identities. The Big Ten and Pacific-12 conferences have created their own networks, and the Southeastern Conference is planning one. And in the past decade, M.L.B., the N.F.L., the N.B.A. and the N.H.L. have started their own channels.

Still, Fox and its parent, News Corporation, have a companywide faith in sports as a DVR-proof way to attract viewers — especially young men — and a belief that their new sports channel will differentiate itself from the competition, as the Fox News channel has demonstrated in its successful challenge to CNN and then MSNBC. To ensure that Fox Sports 1 has some of the style and attitude that Fox Sports has had since it began in the mid-1990s, Murdoch and Chase Carey, News Corporation’s president and chief operating officer, brought back one of their favorite executives, David Hill, for its creation and launch. Hill, the former head of the Fox Sports Media Group, left the division last year for another job within News Corporation.

“We think sports is a huge arena that has room in it to build a really attractive businesses,” Carey told analysts on an earnings call last month. He said that the company recognizes the escalating costs of sports rights but “in a world of increasing fragmentation, we think sports continues to be a more and more important and unique part of that overall landscape.”

The channel’s success might not have to come as a result of beating ESPN at its game.

David Bank, managing director of global media and Internet research at RBC Capital Markets, said that Fox Sports 1 would be a success “from Day 1” and could, in future years, bid against ESPN for N.B.A. rights and any cable package of N.F.L. games that might come to market.

“Do I expect them to be ESPN? No,” he said. “Mega-success will be hard to determine for five years.”

But, he said, “Rupert and Chase have had a pretty decent run at building long-term value.”

Michael Nathanson, an analyst at Nomura Securities, wrote in a recent report that Fox Sports 1 would be a “good start” for News Corporation but was “unlikely to make a material dent to ESPN’s business for the investable time horizon.”

One way to measure Fox Sports 1’s future success will be how many subscribers it gets and the subscriber fees it can accumulate. Fox has spent months working to convert Speed, a motorsports-centric network with 81 million subscribers, to Fox Sports 1. A companion service, Fox Sports 2, will replace another niche channel, Fuel.

Fox is seeking substantially more for Fox Sports 1 than the 31-cent monthly subscriber fee that Speed gets, according to the media research firm SNL Kagan.

Bank estimated that Fox Sports 1 will probably charge cable, satellite and telephone companies 75 cents to $1 a subscriber. “At $1 a sub, it’s a massive home run,” he said.

By comparison, ESPN charges $5.15 a month and additional fees for its other channels.

“We view Fox as a formidable competitor,” said John Skipper, ESPN’s president. “They’ve got the resources of News Corp., and the willingness that Fox has shown in the past to take big bets and to create a difference.”

He added: “We like our hand. We just have to play it well.”

Fox is certainly asset-rich. It plans to use existing long-term deals to fill Fox Sports 1 with M.L.B. games, including some from the league division series, beginning in 2014; Nascar Sprint Cup and truck races; U.F.C. matches; future World Cup soccer matches; and Big 12 and Pac-12 football and basketball games, as well as those from a basketball conference that is being formed by the seven Catholic universities that are leaving the Big East. The new network is also expected to buy some Big East games from ESPN.

Fox also has 22 regional sports networks to plumb for talent and some of its baseball programming. Two of those regional channels, each in Los Angeles, recently lost the rights to carry the Lakers and the Dodgers — each to networks created by Time Warner Cable. But last November, News Corporation made a major foray into the New York sports market by paying about $2 billion for a 49 percent stake in the YES Network, the profitable channel of the Yankees, with an option to buy up to 80 percent in three years.

Still, the possibility of starting a national sports network constitutes unfinished business at Fox.

In the late 1990s, Fox tied a package of M.L.B. games and a news operation with Keith Olbermann as the star anchor on its regional sports channels. It failed. Recalling that time, a former Fox executive said, “It was Chase’s vision that we’d use the regional sports networks to transition into a national sports network.”

Then, in 2004, Murdoch tried to create a national channel in partnership with the N.F.L. and cable operators. At the time, Murdoch said, “We want to consider the capacity of pay television subscribers to pay for two ESPNs.”

But that effort never got off the ground, and he has waited nine years to make his next move.

Sports will become even more integral by this summer, when News Corporation splits into two publicly traded companies. The company’s newspapers, including The Wall Street Journal and The New York Post, will join a publishing-based company that will retain the name News Corporation. The 20th Century Fox studio, Fox Broadcasting, Fox Sports, the cable channels FX and Fox News and the regional sports networks will form the Fox Group.

News Corporation has recently grown its sports business in the United States and abroad, making live sports programming central to the Fox Group, executives have said.

In the past year, News Corporation paid $335 million to complete its acquisition of Singapore-based ESPN Star Sports, previously a joint venture with the Walt Disney Company, and $757.6 million to broadcast Indian Premier League cricket through March 2018 on its Star TV channel.

“Across the whole sports portfolio, it’s about making choices about where you want to invest and where to prioritize,” James Murdoch, the deputy chief operating officer of News Corporation, said on the earnings call last month.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/05/sports...nted=print
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(03-05-2013 08:57 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  If I were B12 I'd go with USF, Tulane, Cincy, and Memphis, but wait to see if Tulane & Memphis get to respectable football status. That's 4 new tv markets for them and helps out with WVU eastern division.

The Big 12 won't take a chance on those schools. Not in a million years.
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(03-05-2013 09:26 AM)TyBull Wrote:  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Both ESPN and ESPN2 have 98.5 million subscribers.

It is a true empire, with eight domestic cable channels;

The Ocho!! They actually have it now.
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If it happened its probably step 1 of texas and ou leaving the big 12. I'm not sure where they would go, pac, big or sec but they would be able to tell the big 12 leftovers your in the best of the rest league on the way out the door.
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(03-05-2013 10:37 AM)bluesox Wrote:  If it happened its probably step 1 of texas and ou leaving the big 12. I'm not sure where they would go, pac, big or sec but they would be able to tell the big 12 leftovers your in the best of the rest league on the way out the door.

That's exactly what I was thinking. This looks like something the Big 12 leftovers would do to salvage their conference.
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(03-04-2013 09:12 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 08:40 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Guys the source on this is about as bad as they come. I would trust rumors started by posters on this board more than I would believe Tux Yoda

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

The fact that he's a bad source doesn't mean there's not some validity to this. It just makes too much sense to be dismissed lightly.

03-lmfao if this was a tweet from the Dude or MHver it wouldn't have gotten past the first page.

"Just makes too much sense". It's the exact opposite of making sense.
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(03-05-2013 09:51 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 08:57 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  If I were B12 I'd go with USF, Tulane, Cincy, and Memphis, but wait to see if Tulane & Memphis get to respectable football status. That's 4 new tv markets for them and helps out with WVU eastern division.

The Big 12 won't take a chance on those schools. Not in a million years.

I know, just some good sarcasm we used to get from some on here in the golden years.
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Basically this discussion is based on if any of the ACC schools aren't able to get by the buyout and what some other alternatives are. The value of UCF/USF isn't as much about their game vs each other, rather than vs the rest of the Big 12, regarding TV. The comparison with the big east schools is different. The $12 million per school offer by ESPN that was turned down by the BE included UCF as team #10, after TCU.
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(03-05-2013 11:46 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 09:12 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-04-2013 08:40 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Guys the source on this is about as bad as they come. I would trust rumors started by posters on this board more than I would believe Tux Yoda

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

The fact that he's a bad source doesn't mean there's not some validity to this. It just makes too much sense to be dismissed lightly.
03-lmfao if this was a tweet from the Dude or MHver it wouldn't have gotten past the first page.

"Just makes too much sense". It's the exact opposite of making sense.

I actually thought that he was joking when he said "it makes too much sense." The amount of stupidity in this thread is astounding.

USF and UCF aren't going to the Big XII and viewers and passion are what matter in TV contracts, not "markets." If "markets" drove their value, the BIG EAST would have been beyond rich and the SEC and the B1G would both be broke.
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(03-04-2013 04:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Markets and recruiting.

You should not have to tell a WVU fan this.
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(03-05-2013 09:52 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 09:26 AM)TyBull Wrote:  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Both ESPN and ESPN2 have 98.5 million subscribers.

It is a true empire, with eight domestic cable channels;

The Ocho!! They actually have it now.

And if they have to show UCF, they might move Dodgeball to ESPN7.
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fwiw, I always thought that USF was a sleeper to the Big 12 a few years ago. It does make sense for them to get a foothold in Florida. More than any other power conference, they have plenty of power programs but are in desperate need of recruiting areas and markets. Florida's got both in bucketloads.

If USF had performed on the field over the past few years, they might have had a shot. If UCF had gone all Boise-esque over the past few years, they would have had a shot, too. Together, they would have been almost a shoo-in if both squads were coming off back-to-back top-20 finishes.

But with things the way they are today, there's little chance of it happening now.
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