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(03-05-2013 03:40 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  My whole point is WHO CARES WHAT FALWELL SAYS????? It's a private university and he can run it any damn way he pleases! That is his PERSONAL opinion and Liberty doesn't apologize for it at all, nor should they. The school exists because people choose of their own free will to attend b/c it is in line with their value system whether or not you might agree with it.

The reason I bring up public schools is because you have the exact same type of remarks from the far left wing aspect and nobody complains about it, yet our Tax money funds those schools.

You can't see the slightest bit of hypocrisy in that?

A single professor or the founder and head of your school. Which pulls more weight? Also you have this idea that every public school is ripe with these ultra liberal professors spouting off about how awesome it is to be a liberal.

Also he is dead and his son is running the schools.

Falwell IS Liberty, he spoke his hateful words at the commencement ceremony every graduation day.

I personally hope that they never make it to FBS level so they cant use athletics as a way to spread their hatful teachings further. As a christian i am insulted that he called himself the same.

This is my personal opinion that I have come to from direct contact with his words and teachings. Now before you call me some whack job liberal I also went to a private religious school. Though i went to one where i did not subscribe to the same theological teachings.
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I think the point is that you're a contradiction. You profess hatred for someone because they (in your words) expressed hatred. You're a proponent of free speech, unless that free speech is at odds with your views. You damn an institution for the controversial opinions of one of it's influential leaders, yet you condone...or at least ignore...the controversial opinions of one of our president's influential leaders.

My original point stands...why all the hatred for Liberty? What did they do to you? If you're convinced that your opinions are the correct ones, then you have nothing to fear from healthy debate. Time and circumstance will prove you right...or not. As long as we conform to the laws of our nation, we should all be free to choose our own paths. Not everyone wants to follow your path. Why is that intolerable?
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(03-05-2013 03:44 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:42 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Closed mindedness has no place in todays academic world. People like him and schools like his are one of the reasons our educational ranking in the world is as pathetic as it is. Stuff like this is why Kansas wont teach evolution and why we get mocked around the first world.


Close mindedness has EVERY place in the world of real freedom and gov't that places more importance on the rights of individuals and private entities over others' feelings.

Have fun being closed minded.
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It has nothing to do with being closed-minded vs being open-minded. It has to do with the RIGHT to be "closed minded" OR "open minded" if one wants to be. If you OR I don't like something, then tough ****. That's just how it is and I don't have to like it. I don't have to attend Liberty. I don't have to eat at Chick-fil-A. The moment that your or my personal feelings come in to play regarding a PRIVATE university's teaching policy then we have a major problem in America that goes WAY beyond being "closed-minded."
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(03-05-2013 03:49 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I think the point is that you're a contradiction. You profess hatred for someone because they (in your words) expressed hatred. You're a proponent of free speech, unless that free speech is at odds with your views. You damn an institution for the controversial opinions of one of it's influential leaders, yet you condone...or at least ignore...the controversial opinions of one of our president's influential leaders.

My original point stands...why all the hatred for Liberty? What did they do to you? If you're convinced that your opinions are the correct ones, then you have nothing to fear from healthy debate. Time and circumstance will prove you right...or not. As long as we conform to the laws of our nation, we should all be free to choose our own paths. Not everyone wants to follow your path. Why is that intolerable?

The president has no bearing on this topic. Thats others trying to make this some sort of right vs left topic.

I believe that hatred must be stamped out. For instance instead of bashing gay people he was bashing black people or jewish people (which he is when he says ACLU) would those be okay? Do folks not hate the KKK or Nazi's? To me he is in the same ilk. Preaching to others to hate their fellow man is to me very unchristian.

He has/had the right to free speech and im using mine to fight bigotry. I never said they couldnt say whatever they wanted just that I will fight and contest those things they say.

I never said people had to follow my path, never ever once did I say that. Jerry Falwell was a hate filled man who spewed hatred and intolerance and called it teaching. Thats why I do not like or respect Liberty University.
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(03-05-2013 03:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  It has nothing to do with being closed-minded vs being open-minded. It has to do with the RIGHT to be "closed minded" OR "open minded" if one wants to be. If you OR I don't like something, then tough ****. That's just how it is and I don't have to like it. I don't have to attend Liberty. I don't have to eat at Chick-fil-A. The moment that your or my personal feelings come in to play regarding a PRIVATE university's teaching policy then we have a major problem in America that goes WAY beyond being "closed-minded."

WTF are you talking about? I never said they dont have the right to do anything. Im saying what they actually are. Get a grip.

I dont like liberty, if you dont like that well then tough 01-scout

Also where is this rage towards PUBLIC schools banning books and NOT teaching evolution?
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(03-05-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  It has nothing to do with being closed-minded vs being open-minded. It has to do with the RIGHT to be "closed minded" OR "open minded" if one wants to be. If you OR I don't like something, then tough ****. That's just how it is and I don't have to like it. I don't have to attend Liberty. I don't have to eat at Chick-fil-A. The moment that your or my personal feelings come in to play regarding a PRIVATE university's teaching policy then we have a major problem in America that goes WAY beyond being "closed-minded."

WTF are you talking about? I never said they dont have the right to do anything. Im saying what they actually are. Get a grip.

I dont like liberty, if you dont like that well then tough 01-scout


Also where is this rage towards PUBLIC schools banning books and NOT teaching evolution?

It's your right to dislike Liberty.

FWIW, I believe both sides of the debate should be allowed an equal platform in the public school system but neither should be taught as fact as I don't believe that either can be 100% scientifically proven.
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(03-05-2013 04:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  It has nothing to do with being closed-minded vs being open-minded. It has to do with the RIGHT to be "closed minded" OR "open minded" if one wants to be. If you OR I don't like something, then tough ****. That's just how it is and I don't have to like it. I don't have to attend Liberty. I don't have to eat at Chick-fil-A. The moment that your or my personal feelings come in to play regarding a PRIVATE university's teaching policy then we have a major problem in America that goes WAY beyond being "closed-minded."

WTF are you talking about? I never said they dont have the right to do anything. Im saying what they actually are. Get a grip.

I dont like liberty, if you dont like that well then tough 01-scout


Also where is this rage towards PUBLIC schools banning books and NOT teaching evolution?

It's your right to dislike Liberty.

FWIW, I believe both sides of the debate should be allowed an equal platform in the public school system but neither should be taught as fact as I don't believe that either can be 100% scientifically proven.


And that is one reason why the United States is screwed in science and math.

To even ENTERTAIN the idea that Creationism has ANY legitimacy is stupid, wrong and backasswards. There is PLENTY of evidence that shows evolution to be the correct theory.

No legitimate education should give any legitimacy to creationism.

Anyone that wants that as legitimate is a moron.
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Wow, there is a whole bunch of venom being spewed on this thread that should be taken over to the Spin Room board. Last I looked this was a college sports board dedicated to the discussion of schools changing conferences. If Liberty wants to make the jump to FBS, than it should be judged on whether it can support doing so financially and physically. Can it cover the scholarships, build the facilities, put fannies in the seats, draw ratings and put a competitive product on the field. If it can, than I suspect it will eventually get a call from a conference. The SunBelt comes to mind as the likely landing place.
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(03-05-2013 04:27 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  It has nothing to do with being closed-minded vs being open-minded. It has to do with the RIGHT to be "closed minded" OR "open minded" if one wants to be. If you OR I don't like something, then tough ****. That's just how it is and I don't have to like it. I don't have to attend Liberty. I don't have to eat at Chick-fil-A. The moment that your or my personal feelings come in to play regarding a PRIVATE university's teaching policy then we have a major problem in America that goes WAY beyond being "closed-minded."

WTF are you talking about? I never said they dont have the right to do anything. Im saying what they actually are. Get a grip.

I dont like liberty, if you dont like that well then tough 01-scout


Also where is this rage towards PUBLIC schools banning books and NOT teaching evolution?

It's your right to dislike Liberty.

FWIW, I believe both sides of the debate should be allowed an equal platform in the public school system but neither should be taught as fact as I don't believe that either can be 100% scientifically proven.


And that is one reason why the United States is screwed in science and math.

To even ENTERTAIN the idea that Creationism has ANY legitimacy is stupid, wrong and backasswards. There is PLENTY of evidence that shows evolution to be the correct theory.

No legitimate education should give any legitimacy to creationism.

Anyone that wants that as legitimate is a moron.

Exactly why I believe that there is more than enough room for BOTH theories to be debated in the classroom. The greater point is that neither should be completely locked out of the discussion if there is really such thing as academic freedom.

Way to breeze through the bull01-rivals and go straight to the name-calling though. I've got to hand it to you, that was pretty slick.
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(03-05-2013 04:28 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Wow, there is a whole bunch of venom being spewed on this thread that should be taken over to the Spin Room board. Last I looked this was a college sports board dedicated to the discussion of schools changing conferences. If Liberty wants to make the jump to FBS, than it should be judged on whether it can support doing so financially and physically. Can it cover the scholarships, build the facilities, put fannies in the seats, draw ratings and put a competitive product on the field. If it can, than I suspect it will eventually get a call from a conference. The SunBelt comes to mind as the likely landing place.

No, thank you. Very, very unlikely.
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(03-05-2013 04:35 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:27 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 03:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  It has nothing to do with being closed-minded vs being open-minded. It has to do with the RIGHT to be "closed minded" OR "open minded" if one wants to be. If you OR I don't like something, then tough ****. That's just how it is and I don't have to like it. I don't have to attend Liberty. I don't have to eat at Chick-fil-A. The moment that your or my personal feelings come in to play regarding a PRIVATE university's teaching policy then we have a major problem in America that goes WAY beyond being "closed-minded."

WTF are you talking about? I never said they dont have the right to do anything. Im saying what they actually are. Get a grip.

I dont like liberty, if you dont like that well then tough 01-scout


Also where is this rage towards PUBLIC schools banning books and NOT teaching evolution?

It's your right to dislike Liberty.

FWIW, I believe both sides of the debate should be allowed an equal platform in the public school system but neither should be taught as fact as I don't believe that either can be 100% scientifically proven.


And that is one reason why the United States is screwed in science and math.

To even ENTERTAIN the idea that Creationism has ANY legitimacy is stupid, wrong and backasswards. There is PLENTY of evidence that shows evolution to be the correct theory.

No legitimate education should give any legitimacy to creationism.

Anyone that wants that as legitimate is a moron.

Exactly why I believe that there is more than enough room for BOTH theories to be debated in the classroom. The greater point is that neither should be completely locked out of the discussion if there is really such thing as academic freedom.

Way to breeze through the bull01-rivals and go straight to the name-calling though. I've got to hand it to you, that was pretty slick.

There is nothing to debate. Should we debate whether 1+ 1 =2? Pretty cut and dried.
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(03-05-2013 01:36 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 01:26 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  This will sound terrible...but it is the truth.

$40,000 for a Liberty online education is a total waste. That degree carries no weight, and you get saddled with debt in most cases.

Sorry to be a d*ck.

My cousin got a teaching "degree" from there and can't get a teaching job because their courses aren't respected by anyone. They don't even teach science there.

It's whole design is to be a lobbyist factory to pump right wing lobbyists into D.C.

Good we sure need more of those especially now.
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I'm no fan of Liberty.

I really disliked Falwell but a story is warranted.

My brother was leading a Bible class and someone mentioned PTL and the Bakers. My brother made some flip comment about them and their brand of religion.

The other guy looked a little ashamed and lowered his head and said, "I know they've done a lot of bad things and used people and hurt people, but I was an addict. I let that ruin my life. I lost a great job. I lost my wife and my kids. I was at rock bottom of my life and hate myself for not even having enough courage left to kill myself and save everyone from more ruin caused by me. One day I watched them and they made me believe I could be loved and I could be saved. They sent me this Bible for free. I turned my life around. I don't follow them but I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for them."

I don't like Falwell. I disagreed with much of his theology but that doesn't mean he didn't do some good in the world.

Later in life he got some stuff right such as when he argued that equal access to housing, civil marriage, and employment are basic rights that should be available to LGBT people despite his moral opposition to LGBT conduct. In earlier years his comments on the LGBT community could fairly be described as hate speech and he often pandered to the basest instincts while backing away from that and trying to moderate the evangelical stance in his later years.

I think he was right in his concerns over GW Bush's faith based initiatives for many of the same reasons I opposed them, namely that once faith based groups take government money they are obligated to follow the government's rules even if those rules conflict with their articles of faith.

He was wrong about South Africa. His attacks on Clinton bordered on mental illness and he never made any public repentance that I am aware of for his long-time embrace of segegrationist politicians.
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(03-05-2013 06:02 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:35 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:27 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-05-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  WTF are you talking about? I never said they dont have the right to do anything. Im saying what they actually are. Get a grip.

I dont like liberty, if you dont like that well then tough 01-scout


Also where is this rage towards PUBLIC schools banning books and NOT teaching evolution?

It's your right to dislike Liberty.

FWIW, I believe both sides of the debate should be allowed an equal platform in the public school system but neither should be taught as fact as I don't believe that either can be 100% scientifically proven.


And that is one reason why the United States is screwed in science and math.

To even ENTERTAIN the idea that Creationism has ANY legitimacy is stupid, wrong and backasswards. There is PLENTY of evidence that shows evolution to be the correct theory.

No legitimate education should give any legitimacy to creationism.

Anyone that wants that as legitimate is a moron.

Exactly why I believe that there is more than enough room for BOTH theories to be debated in the classroom. The greater point is that neither should be completely locked out of the discussion if there is really such thing as academic freedom.

Way to breeze through the bull01-rivals and go straight to the name-calling though. I've got to hand it to you, that was pretty slick.

There is nothing to debate. Should we debate whether 1+ 1 =2? Pretty cut and dried.

No one is researching whether 1+1 really equals 2.
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