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(03-07-2013 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 12:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.

That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".

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(03-07-2013 02:21 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 12:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.

That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".

Nope.......GRANT OF RIGHTS. Thanks for playing!

Did you miss the WVU tactic of "F-U we're leaving try and stop us"? GoR is just like any other contract with a way out of it.
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(03-07-2013 02:21 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 12:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.

That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".

Nope.......GRANT OF RIGHTS. Thanks for playing!

I would say a GOR can be worked around if both conferences have the same Network (FOX). B12 - P12.
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(03-07-2013 02:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:21 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 12:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.
That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".
Nope.......GRANT OF RIGHTS. Thanks for playing!
Did you miss the WVU tactic of "F-U we're leaving try and stop us"? GoR is just like any other contract with a way out of it.
Unlike the Catholic schools, who write backdoors into contracts which allow them to say, "F U, we're leaving", without paying a single dime...
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And very often NO does mean NO! 07-coffee3
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(03-07-2013 02:10 PM)TerryD Wrote:  All that I can say about the above is that Jack Swabrick has been talking about an digital ND Network for two or three years now, available on all devices, everywhere.

He said it could not be like the LHN because ND fans are coast to coast and not concentrated in one geographic area.

He kept talking about it even after ND joined the ACC last fall.

How that works out, I don't know. I do know that it is one of his pet projects.

I could see that. What I can't see is them having an over the air network like the LHN due to the spread out fanbase and the lack of BB inventory available.
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(03-07-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:21 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 12:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.
That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".
Nope.......GRANT OF RIGHTS. Thanks for playing!
Did you miss the WVU tactic of "F-U we're leaving try and stop us"? GoR is just like any other contract with a way out of it.
Unlike the Catholic schools, who write backdoors into contracts which allow them to say, "F U, we're leaving", without paying a single dime...


It takes two parties to agree to any term in a contract.

The Catholic schools did not "write that backdoor" by themselves. It takes two to tango.

That said, I suspect there are no "easy out clauses" in the GOR.

With Texas, though, one never knows. They have the clout to have negotiated themselves an out.

However, no attorney (with any sense, anyway) would render any legal opinions about a contract without reading the actual wording of the document.


P.S. I have never had any problems with WVU filing suit and getting out of the Big East for the Big 12. This college football TV money stuff is a real dog eat dog, every man for himself business and the Mountaineers did well to escape the Aresco League when they did.
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(03-07-2013 02:55 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:10 PM)TerryD Wrote:  All that I can say about the above is that Jack Swabrick has been talking about an digital ND Network for two or three years now, available on all devices, everywhere.

He said it could not be like the LHN because ND fans are coast to coast and not concentrated in one geographic area.

He kept talking about it even after ND joined the ACC last fall.

How that works out, I don't know. I do know that it is one of his pet projects.

I could see that. What I can't see is them having an over the air network like the LHN due to the spread out fanbase and the lack of BB inventory available.


Agreed. Swarbrick has so acknowledged many times in interviews on the subject.

My question is what content (if any) does ND have for such a network that other ACC schools do not?
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(03-07-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:21 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 12:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.
That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".
Nope.......GRANT OF RIGHTS. Thanks for playing!
Did you miss the WVU tactic of "F-U we're leaving try and stop us"? GoR is just like any other contract with a way out of it.
Unlike the Catholic schools, who write backdoors into contracts which allow them to say, "F U, we're leaving", without paying a single dime...

Actually that was written by the C7 AND the FB schools including your own Mountaineers. It was so the FB schools could get enough years together under their belts and then they can say "F-U we're leaving" without paying a dime. No one saw that the FB schools would all leave separately forcing the C7 to put it into play. The FB schools were always the ones who it was for. Thats why the C7 had to buy the name back. The original idea would be that the FB schools wouldn't want the name and come up with something else.
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(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:21 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".
Nope.......GRANT OF RIGHTS. Thanks for playing!
Did you miss the WVU tactic of "F-U we're leaving try and stop us"? GoR is just like any other contract with a way out of it.
Unlike the Catholic schools, who write backdoors into contracts which allow them to say, "F U, we're leaving", without paying a single dime...
Actually that was written by the C7 AND the FB schools including your own Mountaineers. It was so the FB schools could get enough years together under their belts and then they can say "F-U we're leaving" without paying a dime. No one saw that the FB schools would all leave separately forcing the C7 to put it into play. The FB schools were always the ones who it was for. Thats why the C7 had to buy the name back. The original idea would be that the FB schools wouldn't want the name and come up with something else.
Had it been my decision, I'd have taken the get out of jail free option while it was available. That way the football schools could have done what they needed to insure their own security, without any interference from non-football interests. But since it wasn't my decision, nobody listened to me...
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(03-07-2013 04:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:55 PM)S11 Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:10 PM)TerryD Wrote:  All that I can say about the above is that Jack Swabrick has been talking about an digital ND Network for two or three years now, available on all devices, everywhere.

He said it could not be like the LHN because ND fans are coast to coast and not concentrated in one geographic area.

He kept talking about it even after ND joined the ACC last fall.

How that works out, I don't know. I do know that it is one of his pet projects.

I could see that. What I can't see is them having an over the air network like the LHN due to the spread out fanbase and the lack of BB inventory available.


Agreed. Swarbrick has so acknowledged many times in interviews on the subject.

My question is what content (if any) does ND have for such a network that other ACC schools do not?

their will be plenty of content for the Irish Digital TV, UNC currently offers live broadcast of Olympic sports(some in HD) along with condensed & full replays of every football & basketball game along with all the coaches shows etc on its goheels tv subscription based service. the only thing you will not be able to do is broadcast live men's basketball games unless its a non conference game that isn't selected by ESPN or any other network
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(03-07-2013 04:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:21 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  Nope.......GRANT OF RIGHTS. Thanks for playing!
Did you miss the WVU tactic of "F-U we're leaving try and stop us"? GoR is just like any other contract with a way out of it.
Unlike the Catholic schools, who write backdoors into contracts which allow them to say, "F U, we're leaving", without paying a single dime...
Actually that was written by the C7 AND the FB schools including your own Mountaineers. It was so the FB schools could get enough years together under their belts and then they can say "F-U we're leaving" without paying a dime. No one saw that the FB schools would all leave separately forcing the C7 to put it into play. The FB schools were always the ones who it was for. Thats why the C7 had to buy the name back. The original idea would be that the FB schools wouldn't want the name and come up with something else.
Had it been my decision, I'd have taken the get out of jail free option while it was available. That way the football schools could have done what they needed to insure their own security, without any interference from non-football interests. But since it wasn't my decision, nobody listened to me...

And then you would have left for the B1g XII?
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(03-07-2013 06:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:59 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 04:49 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:45 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 02:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Did you miss the WVU tactic of "F-U we're leaving try and stop us"? GoR is just like any other contract with a way out of it.
Unlike the Catholic schools, who write backdoors into contracts which allow them to say, "F U, we're leaving", without paying a single dime...
Actually that was written by the C7 AND the FB schools including your own Mountaineers. It was so the FB schools could get enough years together under their belts and then they can say "F-U we're leaving" without paying a dime. No one saw that the FB schools would all leave separately forcing the C7 to put it into play. The FB schools were always the ones who it was for. Thats why the C7 had to buy the name back. The original idea would be that the FB schools wouldn't want the name and come up with something else.
Had it been my decision, I'd have taken the get out of jail free option while it was available. That way the football schools could have done what they needed to insure their own security, without any interference from non-football interests. But since it wasn't my decision, nobody listened to me...
And then you would have left for the B1g XII?
Not if that was able to fend off the ACC. Keeping our longtime nearby rivals would have been the priority...

But if the ACC was still able to swipe Pitt and Syracuse, sure. The remaining football schools would still find themselves in the same position they're in today. Who needs that?
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(03-07-2013 11:38 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  I think a lot of people are underestimating the fact that most of the ACC schools are happy with the ACC and don't want to leave. Maryland is a bit of an anomaly because their AD is running in the red and they need cash ASAP and I never got the feeling that they fit in with the rest of the ACC schools very well.

I think even if the lawsuit comes down on Maryland's side the Big 10 is going to have a tough time luring anybody else away.

GOCARDS:

As much as I hate to burst your ACC bubble, I think there are a number of schools that do not feel they're getting the most of their membership. The addition of Notre Dame is not helping as Notre Dame will take all of the BCS bowl money for itself and not share with the league. Not only that, if Notre Dame has the best record in the league, they will take the ACC top bowl spot. I'm certain that the FSU and Clemson's of the ACC do not like that arrangement. I definately see the stronger or more successful football programs leaving in the near future. All are not smiling like your Cards.
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(03-07-2013 12:29 PM)TerryD Wrote:  My death is expected but (hopefully) not imminent. (Hold your applause for the first part).

The star we orbit (Sol) is expected to supernova but it is not imminent (as far as I know).

Can't we all just wait to see what real news happens regarding realignment instead of
"predicting" (endlessly speculating) what is "definitely" going to happen?

Nah, I know better. Carry on.

Pretty sure the sun doesn't have enough mass to turn into a supernova.
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(03-07-2013 01:17 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 11:38 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  I think a lot of people are underestimating the fact that most of the ACC schools are happy with the ACC and don't want to leave. Maryland is a bit of an anomaly because their AD is running in the red and they need cash ASAP and I never got the feeling that they fit in with the rest of the ACC schools very well.

I think even if the lawsuit comes down on Maryland's side the Big 10 is going to have a tough time luring anybody else away.

Not sure why you would think that. They were a founding member and their athletics, academics and location fit the ACC perfectly.

Because all these fans of Big East schools think they know/run sh*t in the ACC now. It's quite annoying.
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Kansas and UConn. 04-cheers
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(03-10-2013 05:40 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Kansas and UConn. 04-cheers

Yeah Wilkie I'll buy that and West Virginia and Oklahoma/Ok State for the SEC, and Texas, Oklahoma/Ok State, Kansas State & Texas Tech for the PAC. Then if any of the conferences want to go to 18 they can choose from: Baylor, T.C.U., Iowa State, Cincinnati, South Florida, Wake Forest, Brigham Young, Boise State, Nevada, New Mexico, and Hawaii, or another.
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(03-07-2013 12:00 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Looks like UConn and Cincy will do a TCU.

TCU accepted an invitation but never played a down of football in Nbe.

WOuldn't surprise me to see UConn and Cincy not play a down in the BIG METRO conference or whatever name this conference is tagged with.

Where would they play, then? Unless there's expansion and invites from the ACC, I don't think they'll go anywhere, until that happens. Going Indy would be a disaster.
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