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If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.
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(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.
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(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.
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(03-07-2013 11:10 AM)94panther Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.

I agree and I dont see the mid-atlantic teams saying no for too long. That extra money, and it is a LOT of extra money; will make a few think twice.
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RE: B1G expansion expected but not imminent
If UVA delivers the Commonwealth of Virginia, that's 8.2 million potential BTN subscribers.
(VT and ODU fans, that's your cue)

UVA is about as far from DC as Temple is, not to mention Navy which is only 30 miles outside of DC.

As for divisions, I'd love to see an East/West alignment. If nothing else, it keeps the lacrosse schools together.
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I think a lot of people are underestimating the fact that most of the ACC schools are happy with the ACC and don't want to leave. Maryland is a bit of an anomaly because their AD is running in the red and they need cash ASAP and I never got the feeling that they fit in with the rest of the ACC schools very well.

I think even if the lawsuit comes down on Maryland's side the Big 10 is going to have a tough time luring anybody else away.
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(03-07-2013 11:10 AM)94panther Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.

Yep. Ditto the SEC. That's why things are on hold pending Maryland's court decision. We'll know by then whether we are done for a while or not.

If the fee is reduced then ESPN will have a decision to make. Do they up the ACC money to try to stabilize them, or do they try to protect their brands in another conference (SEC) and let the lesser, but still valuable ACC teams get picked over? Do they try to stabilize the ACC by trying to encourage a couple of Big 12 value targets to move there, or do they do nothing?

If the exit fee holds then expansion either stops for now or attention is again turned on the Big 12.

The SEC and Big 10 will have a decision to make then too. Do we work together to acquire our targets and compromise on the ones we both want, or do we wait for other pressures to destabilize the ACC?

There is no hurry, but there are two motivators for each of the Big 10 and SEC for further movement. 1. 14 is difficult to schedule and keep folks happy. 16 gives a great deal more flexibility to scheduling process. 2. The Big 10 wants things in place by 2016 which means if they want ACC teams they must have them by Fall (August 15) of 2014 to have them eligible (without extra exit fees) for the Fall of 2016. The SEC would like to have two more teams by August 15 of this year for the opening of the SEC network in the Fall of 2014. So since the SEC timeline is more constrained I think both the Big 10 and SEC will move by August of this year, if possible.
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(03-07-2013 11:10 AM)94panther Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.

That was before the big ten network and the all encompassing money grab ...and the battle between fox and espn. Apples and Oranges comparing 20 years ago to today. More content and more subscribers = more $$$$. They will expand sooner rather than later. [/b]
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(03-07-2013 11:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 11:10 AM)94panther Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.

I agree and I dont see the mid-atlantic teams saying no for too long. That extra money, and it is a LOT of extra money; will make a few think twice.

Before any ACC school would "consider" a move...

There will have to be solid tangible evidence -- not forecasts -- that the B1G will meet those targets they sold Maryland on AND the ACC would have to demonstrate that its ability to financially "keep up" with ND (and Louisville) on board is not working.

All those who point to, "yeah, well Maryland left", remember that Maryland needed an immediate "fix" due to all the red their athletic department was swimming in. The B1G offered that quick "fix".

So basically, GT said no and the B1G (over?)reacted by adding Rutgers.
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Looks like UConn and Cincy will do a TCU.

TCU accepted an invitation but never played a down of football in Nbe.

WOuldn't surprise me to see UConn and Cincy not play a down in the BIG METRO conference or whatever name this conference is tagged with.
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(03-07-2013 11:55 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 11:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 11:10 AM)94panther Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.

I agree and I dont see the mid-atlantic teams saying no for too long. That extra money, and it is a LOT of extra money; will make a few think twice.

Before any ACC school would "consider" a move...

There will have to be solid tangible evidence -- not forecasts -- that the B1G will meet those targets they sold Maryland on AND the ACC would have to demonstrate that its ability to financially "keep up" with ND (and Louisville) on board is not working.

All those who point to, "yeah, well Maryland left", remember that Maryland needed an immediate "fix" due to all the red their athletic department was swimming in. The B1G offered that quick "fix".

So basically, GT said no and the B1G (over?)reacted by adding Rutgers.

I don't think it's hard to see the B1G meeting 30mm in tv money alone. The BTN is paying between 7-10mm per school now IIRC. Now with the upcoming tier 1 tv negotiation they have VERY similar amounts of inventory to what the PAC12 had and landed 20mm per team for. So assuming the bigger brands of the B1G Ten and market inflation can get that to 25mm each it would be pretty likely to hit the 40mm benchmark in terms of OVERALL (not just tv) revenues when ncaa credits, Rose/Orange payouts, playoff payouts, etc are all counted up.

The fact the B1G can pay more than anyone in the near future isn't really up for debate. Maybe the PAC or SEC can when their networks take off but that is a ways away.
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My death is expected but (hopefully) not imminent. (Hold your applause for the first part).

The star we orbit (Sol) is expected to supernova but it is not imminent (as far as I know).

Can't we all just wait to see what real news happens regarding realignment instead of
"predicting" (endlessly speculating) what is "definitely" going to happen?

Nah, I know better. Carry on.
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(03-07-2013 11:55 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 11:25 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 11:10 AM)94panther Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.

I agree and I dont see the mid-atlantic teams saying no for too long. That extra money, and it is a LOT of extra money; will make a few think twice.

Before any ACC school would "consider" a move...

There will have to be solid tangible evidence -- not forecasts -- that the B1G will meet those targets they sold Maryland on AND the ACC would have to demonstrate that its ability to financially "keep up" with ND (and Louisville) on board is not working.

All those who point to, "yeah, well Maryland left", remember that Maryland needed an immediate "fix" due to all the red their athletic department was swimming in. The B1G offered that quick "fix".

So basically, GT said no and the B1G (over?)reacted by adding Rutgers.

1. There is no proof that the B1G even offered anything to GT while they were going after Maryland. The B1G doesn't like "islands" and GT isn't some great "get" in the realignment game.

2. The B1G is going to get a very big payday in a few years when their contract is up especially with Fox becoming a real player in the TV sports world. Right now they are the highest paid conference because of their B1G network. They are only going to get MORE money.

3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.

I posted this the other day on another thread.

If someone comes up to you at lunch and eats your pudding cup in front of you and you don't have the power to stop him, what makes you think you can stop him from eating your sandwich tomorrow?
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(03-07-2013 12:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  3. You are over valuing the ACC tremendously. You are saying that the 5th highest paid league will somehow be able to keep up with THE highest paid league when they already have been raided once by said league.

That statement would also apply, exactly, if you replace "ACC" with "Big 12".

Obviously, if the Big Ten and SEC are eventually able to hand out $35 million/school/year to each member, and if the ACC or Big 12 is only paying $20 million, the extra money is going to look good to a lot of people (most of which have no shot at ever getting an invitation from the Big Ten or SEC).

But that doesn't mean that the Big Ten or SEC presidents have a consensus to balloon their leagues to 18 or 20 or 24 schools, and it doesn't mean that they could maintain the same payouts per school if they recklessly overexpand.
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(03-07-2013 11:40 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 11:10 AM)94panther Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:44 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(03-07-2013 10:39 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  If the reports are true that Georgia Tech said no to the B1G last time and the targets were to be GT and Maryland then its clear the B1G is going right for the media markets.

If this is the case, I'm not sure what UVA gives the B1G (especially if you look at their football performance) since the B1G already has the DC metro market with Maryland.

The divisions I think work nicely in the B1G with 14 as well..

B1G East: Rutgers, Penn St, Maryland, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan St, Indiana

B1G West: Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

Good FB/BB balance in each division. Travel is kept low for Ohio St and Michigan when you have Michigan St and Indiana in that division.

When you are talking about going to 16 with UVA/UNC Indiana shifts West where they take a hit from home football attendance while Ohio St, Michigan and Michigan St incur more travel costs. I don't see how UVA/UNC benefit the B1G athletically either aside from UNC basketball.

If the B1G wants to be at 16 for 2014 then the 2 new additions would be announced this year. If they are having trouble getting a southern ACC team to join they could go after 2 more from other conferences. BC may be the only ACC school that would join them.

The Big 10 is not going to panic and add teams just because they want to get to 16 by some arbitrary date. There about 10 more attractive teams to add than BC.

They stayed at 11 teams for 20 years before adding Nebraska. They can wait for teams they want to become available.

Yep. Ditto the SEC. That's why things are on hold pending Maryland's court decision. We'll know by then whether we are done for a while or not.

If the fee is reduced then ESPN will have a decision to make. Do they up the ACC money to try to stabilize them, or do they try to protect their brands in another conference (SEC) and let the lesser, but still valuable ACC teams get picked over? Do they try to stabilize the ACC by trying to encourage a couple of Big 12 value targets to move there, or do they do nothing?

If the exit fee holds then expansion either stops for now or attention is again turned on the Big 12.

The SEC and Big 10 will have a decision to make then too. Do we work together to acquire our targets and compromise on the ones we both want, or do we wait for other pressures to destabilize the ACC?

There is no hurry, but there are two motivators for each of the Big 10 and SEC for further movement. 1. 14 is difficult to schedule and keep folks happy. 16 gives a great deal more flexibility to scheduling process. 2. The Big 10 wants things in place by 2016 which means if they want ACC teams they must have them by Fall (August 15) of 2014 to have them eligible (without extra exit fees) for the Fall of 2016. The SEC would like to have two more teams by August 15 of this year for the opening of the SEC network in the Fall of 2014. So since the SEC timeline is more constrained I think both the Big 10 and SEC will move by August of this year, if possible.

The ACC added Pitt and Syracuse for basketball content.
ESPN is about to lose the C7 basketball inventory to Fox.
The SEC is still learning to play basketball (getting better).
ND wants to start a network but the lesson of the LHN is that one school can't supply enough content......look for a ND/ACC network.
Look for the ACC to eventually add Cincinnati for more of a mid-western presence to fill the C-7 loss for ESPN.
Maryland does not stand a chance with the lawsuit.
The SEC is ESPN's football conference (to the ACC being their basketball conference). Any SEC expansion will be to the west.
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(03-07-2013 11:38 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  I think a lot of people are underestimating the fact that most of the ACC schools are happy with the ACC and don't want to leave. Maryland is a bit of an anomaly because their AD is running in the red and they need cash ASAP and I never got the feeling that they fit in with the rest of the ACC schools very well.

I think even if the lawsuit comes down on Maryland's side the Big 10 is going to have a tough time luring anybody else away.

Not sure why you would think that. They were a founding member and their athletics, academics and location fit the ACC perfectly.
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RE: B1G expansion expected but not imminent
And Basketball is riding a High right now and looking good into the future. One big reason the C7/BE getting paid very well. B1G, ACC are the leading All Sports conferences in terms of viewership after the old Big East Basketball split. SEC could make a Basketball comeback with more quality coaching.
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RE: B1G expansion expected but not imminent
(03-07-2013 01:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  The ACC added Pitt and Syracuse for basketball content.
ESPN is about to lose the C7 basketball inventory to Fox.
The SEC is still learning to play basketball (getting better).
ND wants to start a network but the lesson of the LHN is that one school can't supply enough content......look for a ND/ACC network.
Look for the ACC to eventually add Cincinnati for more of a mid-western presence to fill the C-7 loss for ESPN.
Maryland does not stand a chance with the lawsuit.
The SEC is ESPN's football conference (to the ACC being their basketball conference). Any SEC expansion will be to the west.

I agree on some, disagree on others.

1- ACC adding Pitt and Cuse: I'll take your word for this one but I figured it was the two programs that added media footprint and closely fit the ACC profile.

2- ESPN is losing the C7 but has pretty much everyone else. They'll be fine.

3- SEC hoops isn't great but is solid. Definitely behind the ACC.

4- LHN is starting to get more deals signed. The BTN took time to get going so I expect it with both the LHN and P12N. That said, I don't see them with their own network. They have a solid following everywhere but which specific DMA's will riot if ND's channel isn't on their cable system?

5- ND/ACC network.... with what inventory? All the valuable stuff is sold off. Yeah you might get some exposure and what not but not big bucks by any stretch unless ESPN just gives inventory back.

6- I don't see you guys adding Cincy unless you lose 2. Besides ESPN will already have them in the Big East now that they matched the NBC offer. I don't see ESPN paying the ACC more to pick them and UConn up when they already have them at chump change rates. They'd have to pay 34 million extra to do that when they already got em! UConn and Cincy vs Pitt/Cuse/UL/UNC/Duke/etc is worth some money but 34 million is probably well north of that figure.

7- Maryland stands a pretty good chance. I will be very surprised if the figure isn't below 40mm and frankly expect it to be much lower. The ACC is trying to enforce an exit fee prior to it's implementation, prior to a team giving official notice, against it's own bylaws, and with a clear intent to discourage a team from leaving. That gives UMD a strong argument. That said, stranger rulings have happened.

8- ESPN doesn't care about "football conference" or "basketball conference". They simply want marquee programs. So if they run the numbers and it makes more sense to steer ACC marquees to other leagues they control then that is what they will do. If not, they won't. Neither of us know how that will play out.

9- Who would they take in the West?

a- Texas, Tech, TCU, and BU won't be targeted with A&M in the fold and the only one they really want (UT) has rejected them in the past and is not only wanting to hang onto the radioactive LHN but also is politically handcuffed to Tech which the SEC likely won't take just to get UT anyway. Dead end.

b- The SEC has approached OU in the past and has been rejected due to not accepting OSU. OU admin had admitted there was an offer and the unofficial reports pinned it on OSU and OU's not desiring to join a league with the recruiting repuation of the SEC.

c- KU's biggest market (KC) is at least partially delivered by MU. It's not likely to be valuable to them.

So there is not one western addition in the Big 12 other than Iowa State that adds any new market to their network.

9- On top of that you have the GOR that isn't foolproof but adds significant issues.

10- If the SEC was going to double up in a market they would likely take FSU. The Noles likely want in and give them a national brand with no political issues like UT or OU have. If you have to double down in a state... a huge one is where you do it.
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RE: B1G expansion expected but not imminent
All that I can say about the above is that Jack Swabrick has been talking about an digital ND Network for two or three years now, available on all devices, everywhere.

He said it could not be like the LHN because ND fans are coast to coast and not concentrated in one geographic area.

He kept talking about it even after ND joined the ACC last fall.

How that works out, I don't know. I do know that it is one of his pet projects.
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