(03-08-2013 10:53 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:20 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:02 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  http://www.mrsec.com/2013/03/fsu-a-d-spe...SEC.com%29

As a result, Florida State has seen rival Florida zip by it in terms of cash. The Department of Education reports that UF’s athletic department brought in $120 million in 2011-12. FSU hauled in $81 million.

$40M/year difference......$400M difference over the course of the next decade. Almost a half billion difference in resources between two "rivals"......and this is before the SEC network kicks off.

And we wonder why the FSU AD isn't shy about talking publicly about realignment.....

The Big 12 isn't the SEC. Good job on the multiplications skills. I'd love to round my income up 100 million dollars.

In a Big 12 with FSU, Miami, Clemson and one other ACC team, FSU (with control of its Tier 3 rights) would make at least $12M/year more.

And whatever the figure truly is, it would pale in comparison to an ACC with any two of ND, UT, and OU.

See, anyone can play these fantasy games. But the plain truth is that the B12 isn't strong enough on its own to entice any team of value from the power conferences that remain.

It will need to rely on the BiG and the SEC first while at the same time hold off the Pac from raiding it.

Cheers,
Neil

(03-08-2013 03:56 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:02 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  http://www.mrsec.com/2013/03/fsu-a-d-spe...SEC.com%29

As a result, Florida State has seen rival Florida zip by it in terms of cash. The Department of Education reports that UF’s athletic department brought in $120 million in 2011-12. FSU hauled in $81 million.

$40M/year difference......$400M difference over the course of the next decade. Almost a half billion difference in resources between two "rivals"......and this is before the SEC network kicks off.

And we wonder why the FSU AD isn't shy about talking publicly about realignment.....

The vast majority of this difference has nothing to do with conference. The SEC has held only a very small advantage in TV money over the ACC. The difference is due mostly to athletic department fundraising, ticket prices, and premium seating. This is all on FSU, not the ACC. How does Syracuse generate $40 million from hoops? $75 AVERAGE ticket price.

So much this and this does not account for the fact that UF is the big state school. FSU is the old womens college. FSU is and always will be the second school. The big number 2 and it may do better in a sport or two but that still does not change the fact that UF is the primary school in Florida.

The fact that FAU's TOTAL ENDOWMENT is just $50 million more than UF's ATHLETIC BUDGET make me really think poorly about the current state of our nation's public university system and the current state of college athletics.
That being said, we were invited, won, and won back to back bowl games in a quicker amount of time (from both of our respective start up dates to date of each point) than UF did.

(03-09-2013 12:27 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:56 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:02 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  http://www.mrsec.com/2013/03/fsu-a-d-spe...SEC.com%29

As a result, Florida State has seen rival Florida zip by it in terms of cash. The Department of Education reports that UF’s athletic department brought in $120 million in 2011-12. FSU hauled in $81 million.

$40M/year difference......$400M difference over the course of the next decade. Almost a half billion difference in resources between two "rivals"......and this is before the SEC network kicks off.

And we wonder why the FSU AD isn't shy about talking publicly about realignment.....

The vast majority of this difference has nothing to do with conference. The SEC has held only a very small advantage in TV money over the ACC. The difference is due mostly to athletic department fundraising, ticket prices, and premium seating. This is all on FSU, not the ACC. How does Syracuse generate $40 million from hoops? $75 AVERAGE ticket price.

So much this and this does not account for the fact that UF is the big state school. FSU is the old womens college. FSU is and always will be the second school. The big number 2 and it may do better in a sport or two but that still does not change the fact that UF is the primary school in Florida.

Uhhhhmmmm... have you lived in Florida? And if so, when and for how long?
That's like saying Auburn is the #2 school in Alabama or Clemson is the #2 school in South Carolina. Trust me when I say that the "#2 school in Florida" is more like the "#2 TIER in Florida." By the way, that tier would be UCF and USF. FSU is up there in the first tier with UF. Neither better than the other.

(03-08-2013 10:02 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  http://www.mrsec.com/2013/03/fsu-a-d-spe...SEC.com%29

As a result, Florida State has seen rival Florida zip by it in terms of cash. The Department of Education reports that UF’s athletic department brought in $120 million in 2011-12. FSU hauled in $81 million.

$40M/year difference......$400M difference over the course of the next decade. Almost a half billion difference in resources between two "rivals"......and this is before the SEC network kicks off.

And we wonder why the FSU AD isn't shy about talking publicly about realignment.....

and jumping to B12 will cut it to... 38 mil a year with higher travel cost. Bottom line is FSU is not as big nor popular in state of Fla as UF. Nothing will change that fact.

(03-08-2013 10:20 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:02 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  http://www.mrsec.com/2013/03/fsu-a-d-spe...SEC.com%29

As a result, Florida State has seen rival Florida zip by it in terms of cash. The Department of Education reports that UF’s athletic department brought in $120 million in 2011-12. FSU hauled in $81 million.

$40M/year difference......$400M difference over the course of the next decade. Almost a half billion difference in resources between two "rivals"......and this is before the SEC network kicks off.

And we wonder why the FSU AD isn't shy about talking publicly about realignment.....

The Big 12 isn't the SEC. Good job on the multiplications skills. I'd love to round my income up 100 million dollars.

I'm sure the IRS would let you

(03-09-2013 12:47 AM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 12:27 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:56 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 10:02 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  http://www.mrsec.com/2013/03/fsu-a-d-spe...SEC.com%29

As a result, Florida State has seen rival Florida zip by it in terms of cash. The Department of Education reports that UF’s athletic department brought in $120 million in 2011-12. FSU hauled in $81 million.

$40M/year difference......$400M difference over the course of the next decade. Almost a half billion difference in resources between two "rivals"......and this is before the SEC network kicks off.

And we wonder why the FSU AD isn't shy about talking publicly about realignment.....

The vast majority of this difference has nothing to do with conference. The SEC has held only a very small advantage in TV money over the ACC. The difference is due mostly to athletic department fundraising, ticket prices, and premium seating. This is all on FSU, not the ACC. How does Syracuse generate $40 million from hoops? $75 AVERAGE ticket price.

So much this and this does not account for the fact that UF is the big state school. FSU is the old womens college. FSU is and always will be the second school. The big number 2 and it may do better in a sport or two but that still does not change the fact that UF is the primary school in Florida.

Uhhhhmmmm... have you lived in Florida? And if so, when and for how long?
That's like saying Auburn is the #2 school in Alabama or Clemson is the #2 school in South Carolina. Trust me when I say that the "#2 school in Florida" is more like the "#2 TIER in Florida." By the way, that tier would be UCF and USF. FSU is up there in the first tier with UF. Neither better than the other.

My entire family is from the state of Florida. Grandmother was born in Miami (pronounced with a "ah" at the end instead of "i" for some strange reason). Parents graduated from Florida. Grand parents on my fathers side along with a step cousin and an uncle all worked for FSU with the grand parents as professors for decades. My entire family outside of my sister and I were all born and raised in Florida. So yes I can say my family is quite familiar with the state of Florida.

FSU would certainly be in the first tier with Florida (for it is far closer to Florida than it is the other Florida schools) but if you look at the history and where the power in the state comes from Florida has always had an advantage over FSU. FSU had to work to get its reputation today as it was not part of the good ole boys club like Florida was. If Bobby Bowden did not have his run would FSU be in the ACC? Likely not. They would have replaced USF in the BE more than likely and that would make them more like those tier 2 schools than we would like to admit.

Thankfully FSU did have those runs and can certainly claim to be in the same tier as Florida (nationally relevant big name football program in a major conference) even if they are number two overall in the state.

(03-08-2013 01:33 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  FSU might not even be in the same conversation with Florida if they'd jumped to the SEC. They made their name by going on huge winning streaks in the ACC. If they'd been losing in the SEC instead, who is to say they would have the national titles and name that they have today. Just look at Arkansas and USC...neither of them have accomplished what FSU has.

Exactly. Look at the fraud that they have pulled on the public. Giving us Arkansas/USC type football and masquerading it as Alabama/LSU/Florida football. The emperor has no clothes in Tallahassee.

I'm not entirely sure of the point. Florida may have made $40 million more than FSU, but the conference disbursements (for both the ACC and SEC) for the relevant year were roughly equal. Florida is making more money off many things irrelevant to which conference a team is in. Switching conferences really won't change much.

Only if FSU got invited to the Big 10 or SEC would the numbers change for the better, and even then only the Big 10 has projected numbers of a huge significance (I continued to doubt how much money any SEC network would bring schools as the SEC is not nearly in the same position as the Big 10 is/was)

People make way too much about tv deals. It is another Dick measuring contest just like attendance smack. The small differences between major conference tv deals is more than made up by an individual school's ability to pull in money. Look at Louisville. They make a ton of money and yet have a much smaller TV contract in the past. The reason is that they have found many ways of ranking in the dough. Power, prestige, and reputation matter much more to most schools unless they are in a dire money predicament that needs money now (which you could make a case for Maryland).

It is the same reason why the MAC core would not leave for CUSA. The peanuts that CUSA schools make from TV, while more than the MAC, did not offset the costs of leaving the MAC (of which not all are monetary). An extra million dollars sounds nice to us who don't make that much but for a school's budget that really is nothing. I remember a Buffalo fan doing the numbers and the percentage increase in a school's athletic budget, without even adding in the costs that would assuredly go up in a move to CUSA, was a tiny percentage.

(03-09-2013 09:25 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 01:33 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  FSU might not even be in the same conversation with Florida if they'd jumped to the SEC. They made their name by going on huge winning streaks in the ACC. If they'd been losing in the SEC instead, who is to say they would have the national titles and name that they have today. Just look at Arkansas and USC...neither of them have accomplished what FSU has.

Exactly. Look at the fraud that they have pulled on the public. Giving us Arkansas/USC type football and masquerading it as Alabama/LSU/Florida football. The emperor has no clothes in Tallahassee.

Hilarious on so many levels. You can tell that you are very young and don't know a lot about the history of the rivalry.

UF dominated it early when FSU hadn't built their program yet. Florida was like 16-2-1 early in the rivalry.

Since 1977, Florida State has gone 19-18-1. So since the mid 70's, this rivalry has been dead even. FSU won 7 of the 10 in the 90's. UF won 7 of the 10 in the 2000's.

Florida State won their first title first. Florida State won their 2nd title first.

Florida has been better lately and dominated the last decade. They also won their 3rd title first. But even now, FSU has won 2 of the last 3 and the rivals are getting back to the same level.

You guys are the ones who got that redo in 96 to get your first title. Lose the first one and still get another shot at it. Any Florida fan acting like they are way above FSU in the rivalry is either a little kid or a troll that knows nothing about the rivalry at all.

Just my 2 cents....Louisville while get'n the pathetic BIG EAST Media deal has a bigger athletic budget & profit margin then our SEC neighbor Kentucky. It more then just conference revenues that is the difference between UF & FSU

(03-10-2013 11:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  Just my 2 cents....Louisville while get'n the pathetic BIG EAST Media deal has a bigger athletic budget & profit margin then our SEC neighbor Kentucky. It more then just conference revenues that is the difference between UF & FSU

Of course......BUT, FSU needs to do everything it can to stay competitive with UF and TV revenue is arguably the variable FSU has the most control over.

(03-10-2013 12:42 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  Just my 2 cents....Louisville while get'n the pathetic BIG EAST Media deal has a bigger athletic budget & profit margin then our SEC neighbor Kentucky. It more then just conference revenues that is the difference between UF & FSU

Of course......BUT, FSU needs to do everything it can to stay competitive with UF and TV revenue is arguably the variable FSU has the most control over.

The only way that will happen is either with an SEC invite or B1G invite...that why he mentioned the SEC...

(03-10-2013 12:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:42 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  Just my 2 cents....Louisville while get'n the pathetic BIG EAST Media deal has a bigger athletic budget & profit margin then our SEC neighbor Kentucky. It more then just conference revenues that is the difference between UF & FSU

Of course......BUT, FSU needs to do everything it can to stay competitive with UF and TV revenue is arguably the variable FSU has the most control over.

The only way that will happen is either with an SEC invite or B1G invite...that why he mentioned the SEC...

If/when FSU, Clemson and some other ACC football schools do join the B12, the amount they will get per team is going to shock everyone.

(03-11-2013 11:09 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:42 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:42 AM)Maize Wrote:  Just my 2 cents....Louisville while get'n the pathetic BIG EAST Media deal has a bigger athletic budget & profit margin then our SEC neighbor Kentucky. It more then just conference revenues that is the difference between UF & FSU

Of course......BUT, FSU needs to do everything it can to stay competitive with UF and TV revenue is arguably the variable FSU has the most control over.

The only way that will happen is either with an SEC invite or B1G invite...that why he mentioned the SEC...

If/when FSU, Clemson and some other ACC football schools do join the B12, the amount they will get per team is going to shock everyone.

If/When the Big XII exist...they have the same issue as the ACC...the ACC has a B1G/SEC issue...the Big XII has a B1G/SEC/Pac 12 issue. Those 3 leagues can offer more then either the ACC/Big XII...you realize it because you IMO are hoping for the ACC to be raided first...the Big XII as is long term has problems...