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Big 12 in discussions w/ Russell Athletic Bowl
Starting in 2014, it will be Big 12 vs. ACC (if the deal goes through). This replaces the Big East.


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I called this one, too. Pinstripe is next to be gone for the BE.
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Oh this shoe dropping has been obvious. The bowl lineup is going to end up making the TV deal disaster look like a ripple.
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RE: Big 12 in discussions w/ Russell Athletic Bowl
Is this in Orlando? Bowlsby said they were targeting bowls in Florida.
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RE: Big 12 in discussions w/ Russell Athletic Bowl
This could happen, but realistically, What bowl slot would the B12 be offering to the Russel. Is it replacing an existing bowl, or will it be moved to the end of the line. The BE/A12 could offer their #1 Champ, plus USF and UCF.
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face it boys. Unless you are in one of The Big Five conferences your playing 1AA football....
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RE: Big 12 in discussions w/ Russell Athletic Bowl
The America 12/Big East should solidify the Liberty Bowl and work on another bowl game that pits the champion of the Mountain West versus the champion of the America 12/Big East.

The other goals should be to have two games in Florida, and at least one in Texas.
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And the hits keep on coming for the A12. Maybe the BE could offer its champ to The Charlotte bowl?
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(03-08-2013 11:00 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  And the hits keep on coming for the A12. Maybe the BE could offer its champ to The Charlotte bowl?

That was yesterday's news that the Belk, Music City, and Alamo are going to go with a 6-year rotation of strictly power 5 conference tie-ins.
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RE: Big 12 in discussions w/ Russell Athletic Bowl
Again, which bowl would the Russel replace for B12?

Here is the B12 Bowl lineup:

Fiesta
Cotton
Alamo
Buffalo Wild Wings
Holiday
Meineke of Texas
Pinstripe
Ticket City/Military

I don't see how it could be moved to the end, so that means it would have to bump another one. Is the B12 looking at dropping one? If it's moved to the end, that's not very attractive for Russel. Which slot would it take....

Let's think logically about this before jumping to conclusions. If it's moved to end of line, no way that's more attractive than A12 with USF and UCF. If it's somewhere in the middle, I can see that, but which bowl gets bumped from B12.
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RE: Big 12 in discussions w/ Russell Athletic Bowl
(03-08-2013 11:03 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 11:00 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  And the hits keep on coming for the A12. Maybe the BE could offer its champ to The Charlotte bowl?

That was yesterday's news that the Belk, Music City, and Alamo are going to go with a 6-year rotation of strictly power 5 conference tie-ins.

Where did is say they ARE going to this rotation. it COULD happen, but did not say it IS happening.
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RE: Big 12 in discussions w/ Russell Athletic Bowl
Yeah with a 10 team Big 12 they'll either have to drop 1 of those games or they won't fill them all. The A-12 needs to be working to get as many secondary tie ins with these games as possible. Try to get where if some of the ACC/SEC/B12 bowl slots aren't filled that they are the next choice. It's about as good as can be hoped for.
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(03-08-2013 11:05 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Again, which bowl would the Russel replace for B12?

Here is the B12 Bowl lineup:

Fiesta
Cotton
Alamo
Buffalo Wild Wings
Holiday
Meineke of Texas
Pinstripe
Ticket City/Military

I don't see how it could be moved to the end, so that means it would have to bump another one. Is the B12 looking at dropping one? If it's moved to the end, that's not very attractive for Russel. Which slot would it take....

Let's think logically about this before jumping to conclusions. If it's moved to end of line, no way that's more attractive than A12 with USF and UCF. If it's somewhere in the middle, I can see that, but which bowl gets bumped from B12.

Fiesta and Cotton are gone to be Access Bowls for the new playoff. So there's those two. Pinstripe could very likely be ACC vs. B1G. Also add to that list the Heart of Dallas Bowl whihc will likely be CUSA champ vs. XII beginning in '14.

Plus, the organization that runs the Russell (Florida Citrus Sports) does not want local teams in their bowl game. Part of FCS's mission is to help drive tourism to Orlando - that mission is not satisfied by having UCF or even USF in the bowl game. They'd much rather have two schools from out of town. They already have and are likely to keep the SEC/B1G matchup in the Capital One Bowl. Now they have a chance to have an ACC/XII matchup that would have a tie to ND. The A12 doesn't cut it for them.
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(03-08-2013 11:09 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Yeah with a 10 team Big 12 they'll either have to drop 1 of those games or they won't fill them all. The A-12 needs to be working to get as many secondary tie ins with these games as possible. Try to get where if some of the ACC/SEC/B12 bowl slots aren't filled that they are the next choice. It's about as good as can be hoped for.

The way the Big 12 is hoarding bowls , you'd think they had 12 or 14 teams. 05-stirthepot
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(03-08-2013 11:13 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 11:05 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Again, which bowl would the Russel replace for B12?

Here is the B12 Bowl lineup:

Fiesta
Cotton
Alamo
Buffalo Wild Wings
Holiday
Meineke of Texas
Pinstripe
Ticket City/Military

I don't see how it could be moved to the end, so that means it would have to bump another one. Is the B12 looking at dropping one? If it's moved to the end, that's not very attractive for Russel. Which slot would it take....

Let's think logically about this before jumping to conclusions. If it's moved to end of line, no way that's more attractive than A12 with USF and UCF. If it's somewhere in the middle, I can see that, but which bowl gets bumped from B12.

Fiesta and Cotton are gone to be Access Bowls for the new playoff. So there's those two. Pinstripe could very likely be ACC vs. B1G. Also add to that list the Heart of Dallas Bowl whihc will likely be CUSA champ vs. XII beginning in '14.

Plus, the organization that runs the Russell (Florida Citrus Sports) does not want local teams in their bowl game. Part of FCS's mission is to help drive tourism to Orlando - that mission is not satisfied by having UCF or even USF in the bowl game. They'd much rather have two schools from out of town. They already have and are likely to keep the SEC/B1G matchup in the Capital One Bowl. Now they have a chance to have an ACC/XII matchup that would have a tie to ND. The A12 doesn't cut it for them.

Fiesta and cotton may be gone, but the B12 is replacing them with Sugar and another team in playoff usually, so that is a wash. I could see them losing pinstripe or heart of dallas, but that is extremely low on the B12 totem poles. So basically what you are saying is that the Russel will replace the #7 or #8 B12 bowl (ticket city/dallas). This is not more attractive than A12 champ. Sorry.

Now if it was replacing the Buffalo wild wings or holiday, then you would be correct in your assumptions. B12 #8 our of 10 team league is not that attractive.
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(03-08-2013 11:17 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 11:13 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(03-08-2013 11:05 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Again, which bowl would the Russel replace for B12?

Here is the B12 Bowl lineup:

Fiesta
Cotton
Alamo
Buffalo Wild Wings
Holiday
Meineke of Texas
Pinstripe
Ticket City/Military

I don't see how it could be moved to the end, so that means it would have to bump another one. Is the B12 looking at dropping one? If it's moved to the end, that's not very attractive for Russel. Which slot would it take....

Let's think logically about this before jumping to conclusions. If it's moved to end of line, no way that's more attractive than A12 with USF and UCF. If it's somewhere in the middle, I can see that, but which bowl gets bumped from B12.

Fiesta and Cotton are gone to be Access Bowls for the new playoff. So there's those two. Pinstripe could very likely be ACC vs. B1G. Also add to that list the Heart of Dallas Bowl whihc will likely be CUSA champ vs. XII beginning in '14.

Plus, the organization that runs the Russell (Florida Citrus Sports) does not want local teams in their bowl game. Part of FCS's mission is to help drive tourism to Orlando - that mission is not satisfied by having UCF or even USF in the bowl game. They'd much rather have two schools from out of town. They already have and are likely to keep the SEC/B1G matchup in the Capital One Bowl. Now they have a chance to have an ACC/XII matchup that would have a tie to ND. The A12 doesn't cut it for them.

Fiesta and cotton may be gone, but the B12 is replacing them with Sugar and another team in playoff usually, so that is a wash. I could see them losing pinstripe or heart of dallas, but that is extremely low on the B12 totem poles. So basically what you are saying is that the Russel will replace the #7 or #8 B12 bowl (ticket city/dallas). This is not more attractive than A12 champ. Sorry.

Now if it was replacing the Buffalo wild wings or holiday, then you would be correct in your assumptions. B12 #8 our of 10 team league is not that attractive.

With the Russell's payout, it could very well bump up to #4 in the pecking order. Besides, lots of bowls will be switching around in '14. The agreements all expire at the end of this season and it would not surprise me to see most bowls changing tie-ins.
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Big 12 is out of the Pinstripe for sure
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this is because USF/UCF to B12 is happening.
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(03-08-2013 11:41 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  this is because USF/UCF to B12 is happening.

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(03-08-2013 10:57 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  The America 12/Big East should solidify the Liberty Bowl and work on another bowl game that pits the champion of the Mountain West versus the champion of the America 12/Big East.

The other goals should be to have two games in Florida, and at least one in Texas.

Just. Say. No.

There are only going to be a handfull of G5 vs AQ bowls. Why send your champ to play a G5 school in the conference top bowl? Besides, 90% of the time either the unnamed conference or the MW will win the non-AQ BCS bowl spot--which means if the unnamed conference's champ is heading to the Liberty (and not a BCS bowl)--they would most likley play the #2 team from the Mountain West (cuz the real MW champ is likely in a BCS bowl).

We should get prepared to inherit the CUSA bowl line line up. This move has turned into the conference realignment version of the movie Groundhog Day.
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