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RE: HamptonRoads.com: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit F
(03-11-2013 01:09 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  
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(03-11-2013 10:41 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Location is why I consider the MWC to be currently stable.

They are stable for much the same reason that the MAC is. Thsy don't have any schools that a "Power 4.5" conference wants.


Please BIG 12 was very interested in Air Force but Air force turned them down and Hawaii has low level talks with the PAC. It appears that only 2 or so BE teams interest the Big 5 as well. ACC may only invite because they have to and not because they want to. Nobody left in the BE helps any conference's TV deal and they are not wanted either unless they have to be invited. Same is true for MWC except for Boise and Air Force. Hawaii has some unique recruiting grounds and TV time slots that the PAC likes. BE and MWC are about the same in TV value for a reason. Neither has much left that the top conferences want

I think Air Force was only considered because BYU was in the picture and it would have helped in many ways. Without BYU, Air Force is not in the picture. Hawaii? If Hawaii is getting slighted by the MWC, why in the world would the PAC-12 want them? They don't need Hawaii to market to Asia. They do a great job of that already. Hawaii to the PAC is like saying ECU to the SEC. Just not going to happen.

I might rub you wrong when I say IMO that the A12 is arguably a much better conference from top to bottom...but I agree that the TV value is dictated by much of what your last two sentences say.

I think what he's meaning to say is that Hawaii sent them Christmas cards.
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RE: HamptonRoads.com: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit F
(03-11-2013 12:20 PM)billings Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:17 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 10:41 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Location is why I consider the MWC to be currently stable.

They are stable for much the same reason that the MAC is. Thsy don't have any schools that a "Power 4.5" conference wants.


Please BIG 12 was very interested in Air Force but Air force turned them down and Hawaii has low level talks with the PAC. It appears that only 2 or so BE teams interest the Big 5 as well. ACC may only invite because they have to and not because they want to. Nobody left in the BE helps any conference's TV deal and they are not wanted either unless they have to be invited. Same is true for MWC except for Boise and Air Force. Hawaii has some unique recruiting grounds and TV time slots that the PAC likes. BE and MWC are about the same in TV value for a reason. Neither has much left that the top conferences want

Big 12 asked Air Force if they had any interest and Air Force said no according to the Air Force AD. That doesn't mean the Big 12 would have invited them. Just that they were worth exploring.
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RE: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit Fee.
(03-11-2013 01:14 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 11:30 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  The only way you see that is if there is a nuclear option for the ACC and mass defections happen. Then UConn, Cinci, Temple, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU goes to what is left of the ACC.

And as remote as it might be, there is at least a chance something like that could happen on the East Coast. No chance of that happening out West where MWC schools would be picked up. That was one of the points I was trying to make.

Agree 100%. If B1G takes 2, and SEC and B12 follow-up with 2, then, yes, this is entirely possible...This is why I have stated Nbe needs to stop adding teams and wait for B1G to do its thing, which will probably happen very quickly after Maryalnd court decsion. But, even if the Md court decsion goes against MD, I still don't see B1G stopping from expansion, only altering the financial structure of the B1G offer to soften the impact of the $50M ACC exit fee to the invitee. An adverse decision might slow down the B1G....but it won't stop B1G expansion.
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(03-11-2013 11:30 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 11:15 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  
Quote:It is somewhat funny to hear the concerns of the alumni base when I was at Ford last weekend for the Patriot Cup on the 3rd. None are as happy as people here try to spin it

You are absolutely right. I am refusing to say that we moved forward, although playing Connecticut and Cincy in basketball for 2-3 seasons (which is how long the NBE will last) will be nice. SMU fans are not happy at all. However, going to a conference that includes UTSA is not an option, as dropping football would fit our larger academic goals better than aligning with UTSA. Some suggest that Houston and SMU could go to the MWC, but I highly doubt that will happen given that the MWC gave Boise a preferential deal and Boise's president Kustra rubbed UH and SMU presidents Khator and Turner the wrong way.

SMU is pretty much stuck. There is just no real "good" option and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle at this point. Without massive upheaval SMU is headed to the BE and I am more worried about all sports not football than football itself. A 6/6 split for football is acceptable for travel, but the other sports are going to see a noticeable increase in both overall travel and "bad" weather travel that plays havoc to student athletes.

The best "compromise" for all parties involved would see UTSA, UTEP, Tulsa and TSU move the the MWC, UH, SMU, and Tulane come back to the CUSA. The only way you see that is if there is a nuclear option for the ACC and mass defections happen. Then UConn, Cinci, Temple, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU goes to what is left of the ACC.

It would double up CUSA in DFW and Houston, but so be it. It would pretty much sell both metro areas as "CUSA" towns for media purposes and still give some geographic sense to it all. I just don't see it.

Why on earth would UH, SMU, and Tulane want to do that? The 3 would continue to be outliers, but would simply do so in a weaker league making less money? I think this might help somebody but it does nothing for that trio of schools. Assuming an ACC gutting of some soort that destroys the nBE, that group would do better by teaming with either Tulsa, Memphis, or BYU to form half of an eastern division for the MW. It would look something like this---

East

Houston
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa/Memphis/BYU
Air Force
Wyoming
Colorado St
New Mexico

That wouldnt be too bad and there would be no Sunbelt teams and FCS move ups involved. Its not the SEC, but its a solid division made of teams that are at a level of quality similar to the 2012 version of CUSA. CUSA would basically survive unscathed and would move forward in its planned 2014 form.
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RE: HamptonRoads.com: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit F
(03-11-2013 12:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 10:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA was and remains a great confernce.
LOL no. It was a solid, underappreciated one until it got appreciated (BE took most of their best programs). CUSA now is just Sunbelt plus a couple leftovers. Its a garbage conference that is now clearly inferior to the nBE aka CUSA V2.0 so obviously is the better choice by far for Tulsa.

If the SunBelt was so inferior how was it that they went 6-2 last year against teams that are going to the NNN (New No Name)Conference? Face it, the only quality football program that is going is ECU.
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RE: HamptonRoads.com: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit F
(03-11-2013 03:57 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
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(03-11-2013 10:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA was and remains a great confernce.
LOL no. It was a solid, underappreciated one until it got appreciated (BE took most of their best programs). CUSA now is just Sunbelt plus a couple leftovers. Its a garbage conference that is now clearly inferior to the nBE aka CUSA V2.0 so obviously is the better choice by far for Tulsa.

If the SunBelt was so inferior how was it that they went 6-2 last year against teams that are going to the NNN (New No Name)Conference? Face it, the only quality football program that is going is ECU.

You have to shout a thousand times on this board on just one point before some of the Nbe eggheads will understand. Louisiana beat the ECU blowhards in the New Orleans Bowl this year and Nbe darling SDSU the year before in that same bowl.
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(03-11-2013 03:57 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 10:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA was and remains a great confernce.
LOL no. It was a solid, underappreciated one until it got appreciated (BE took most of their best programs). CUSA now is just Sunbelt plus a couple leftovers. Its a garbage conference that is now clearly inferior to the nBE aka CUSA V2.0 so obviously is the better choice by far for Tulsa.

If the SunBelt was so inferior how was it that they went 6-2 last year against teams that are going to the NNN (New No Name)Conference? Face it, the only quality football program that is going is ECU.

Because they had a good year? Houston has beaten Texas a number of times---does that mean we are as good as Texas? Hell no. Do it year after year after year---and then maybe you might have something. Memphis beat S Miss this year---is Memphis now a better football school? Of course not.

Just because Appalachian State beat Michigan one time doesnt mean FCS football is Big-10 quality. The same goes for the Sunbelt. They had a nice year. Lets just leave it at that.
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RE: HamptonRoads.com: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit F
(03-11-2013 04:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 03:57 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 10:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA was and remains a great confernce.
LOL no. It was a solid, underappreciated one until it got appreciated (BE took most of their best programs). CUSA now is just Sunbelt plus a couple leftovers. Its a garbage conference that is now clearly inferior to the nBE aka CUSA V2.0 so obviously is the better choice by far for Tulsa.

If the SunBelt was so inferior how was it that they went 6-2 last year against teams that are going to the NNN (New No Name)Conference? Face it, the only quality football program that is going is ECU.

Because they had a good year? Houston has beaten Texas a number of times---does that mean we are as good as Texas? Hell no. Do it year after year after year---and then maybe you might have something. But just because Appalachian State beat Michigan one time doesnt mean FCS football is Big-10 quality. The same goes for the Sunbelt. Last year is irrelevant anyway---the Sunbelt is about to basically start over from scatch.

So then in your world, if you do it consistently then you are better. OK, Southern Miss, over the past 30 years and during the CUSA years, has a winning record (dominating record as to some) over everyone of the teams leaving for the NNN. So I guess then you are conceding that they are better on the field than any of the ones going.
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RE: HamptonRoads.com: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit F
(03-11-2013 04:09 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 04:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 03:57 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 10:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA was and remains a great confernce.
LOL no. It was a solid, underappreciated one until it got appreciated (BE took most of their best programs). CUSA now is just Sunbelt plus a couple leftovers. Its a garbage conference that is now clearly inferior to the nBE aka CUSA V2.0 so obviously is the better choice by far for Tulsa.

If the SunBelt was so inferior how was it that they went 6-2 last year against teams that are going to the NNN (New No Name)Conference? Face it, the only quality football program that is going is ECU.

Because they had a good year? Houston has beaten Texas a number of times---does that mean we are as good as Texas? Hell no. Do it year after year after year---and then maybe you might have something. But just because Appalachian State beat Michigan one time doesnt mean FCS football is Big-10 quality. The same goes for the Sunbelt. Last year is irrelevant anyway---the Sunbelt is about to basically start over from scatch.

So then in your world, if you do it consistently then you are better. OK, Southern Miss, over the past 30 years and during the CUSA years, has a winning record (dominating record as to some) over everyone of the teams leaving for the NNN. So I guess then you are conceding that they are better on the field than any of the ones going.

Your free to check my posting history. Ive long advocated inviting S Miss and have said they should have been chosen rather than Tulane. I have no idea how that didnt happen. Makes no sense to me. BTW--for the record, both Houston and Tulsa have more total wins than S Miss since 2005--so some of those invitees have done ok too.
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RE: HamptonRoads.com: Banowsky states more realignment coming. Confirms CUSA Exit F
(03-11-2013 10:33 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
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(03-11-2013 09:50 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  $7M + $2.5M does not equal $8.5M.

But that is worth it for Tulsa (and the "CUSA defectors"), because ending up where you started is better than ending up behind where you started.

I firmly believe that if CUSA had not aggressively back filled and expanded like they did, the CHSA "defectors" would just go back and things would continue as they were. However, in CUSA's expansion, they have taken steps back that will take a few years of program development to make up for.

I think C-USA believed there was no chance that their defecting members would ever consider coming back, while the MWC knew that if the money didn't materialize Boise and SDSU would have to come back. Hindsight being 20-20 they probably wouldn't have expanded so much, but it is what it is.

Of course. And the schools that stayed in CUSA acted in what they believed was their best interest. The way things evolved, though, made that strategy one that ultimately didn't provide optimal results in the end. That's all I'm saying.

Agreed. CUSA had 2 options.
A - move forward. B - Try and get the 6 departing teams back.

CUSA would have to know the nBE would collapse or give special deals to the 6 departing teams to get them to stay. Either way, they would have had 6 teams that didn't want to be there and had already left once. How long would that have lasted?

Exactly. CUSA decided to look to the future instead of hanging on to the past.
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(03-11-2013 11:45 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 11:30 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  The best "compromise" for all parties involved would see UTSA, UTEP, Tulsa and TSU move the the MWC, UH, SMU, and Tulane come back to the CUSA.

03-puke03-puke03-puke03-puke

Just stop!!!!

(03-11-2013 11:30 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  The only way you see that is if there is a nuclear option for the ACC and mass defections happen. Then UConn, Cinci, Temple, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU goes to what is left of the ACC.

Even in a gutted ACC they still have the east coast covered. We would have just as much a shot at the ACC as you would being a new market and good programs.

I will admit down this year in fb and a dispointment in mens bb.

So nice of you to relegate us to the craptastic CUSA!!!

We are NEVER going back there how can I spell it out more?

We would go to the MWC before that happened.

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(03-11-2013 11:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 10:58 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  The CUSA "backfilled" to keep ECU happy and hopefully shut them up about their need for travel partners and help to potentially stave off further potential defections to the MWC.
.........
SMU is stuck. They refuse to be in a conference with UNT and the BE is the only option. Money or not, they cannot politically cover the move back. It is somewhat funny to hear the concerns of the alumni base when I was at Ford last weekend for the Patriot Cup on the 3rd. None are as happy as people here try to spin it and the common thread was why are we playing a bunch of school on the East coast that as just as no named as the schools we left.

UNC-Charlotte was forced down ECU's throat. That is a fact. ECU's admin wanted App State if we had to promote from FCS, NOT Charlotte. Don't get me wrong, neither option was popular among long-time Pirate fans.

Who else does SMU & Houston think they should play? It's either be an Eastern
outlier in the MWC or be a Western Outlier in the "A12/Metro/whatever."

Terry Holland had enough influence that if (TH) had wanted ASU instead of Charlotte, ASU would be in CUSA today. Charlotte is one of ECU's best recruiting areas. He knew that annually going into Charlotte or bringing Charlotte to Greenville gave him an advantage against the ACC schools when recruiting players. Few men have done as much for sports in NC as (TH). Evert, McGuire, Coach K, Smith & Holland are the top 5 influencers for the state and notice (TH) is the only one that did it b/c of football. You might say the other 4 are the past and (TH) the future.
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(03-11-2013 08:56 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  So, it appears TU will pay about $8.5M in exit and entry fees and then, after UConn, Cincy and Navy leave following B1G expansion, essentially end up where TU started in the first place. This is a business absurdity. It will take 15 years for TU to pay all those fees, given the low $1.8M Nbe/A12 tv contract.

ODU WILL BE PART OF CONFERENCE USA TV PACKAGE IN 2013
HamptonRoads.com, Feb. 27, 2013, By Harry Minium

"Banowsky said he sees no end to the conference alignment that has cost his league six members in two years."

"Big East members will make about $1.8M per year in TV revenue--less than what officials had hoped for. That's about $500,000 more per year than CUSA schools, but Tulsa must pay a $7M exit fee to leave CUSA and a $2.5M entrance fee to join the Big East."

Here is a summary of this thread/ opening post :

1. Thread title is false. Banowsky didn't say those things, a reporter wrote his opinion.
2. No one should put quotes around words that were never spoken.
3. This article is 2 weeks old.
4. From what others have posted, the costs are overstated.

One final comment on a later Tallgrass post in this thread. If Tulsa is willing to pay millions to join SMU, Memphis, Houston & Tulane in the nBE, why would they want to reconfigure CUSA where all 4 of those schools are in a different division.

It is amazing how out of step you are with Tulsa fans. Only Okla. State fans (also Temple fans !) root for the future you seem to want for Tulsa.
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(03-11-2013 04:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(03-11-2013 04:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 03:57 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 12:09 PM)AntiG Wrote:  LOL no. It was a solid, underappreciated one until it got appreciated (BE took most of their best programs). CUSA now is just Sunbelt plus a couple leftovers. Its a garbage conference that is now clearly inferior to the nBE aka CUSA V2.0 so obviously is the better choice by far for Tulsa.

If the SunBelt was so inferior how was it that they went 6-2 last year against teams that are going to the NNN (New No Name)Conference? Face it, the only quality football program that is going is ECU.

Because they had a good year? Houston has beaten Texas a number of times---does that mean we are as good as Texas? Hell no. Do it year after year after year---and then maybe you might have something. But just because Appalachian State beat Michigan one time doesnt mean FCS football is Big-10 quality. The same goes for the Sunbelt. Last year is irrelevant anyway---the Sunbelt is about to basically start over from scatch.

So then in your world, if you do it consistently then you are better. OK, Southern Miss, over the past 30 years and during the CUSA years, has a winning record (dominating record as to some) over everyone of the teams leaving for the NNN. So I guess then you are conceding that they are better on the field than any of the ones going.

Your free to check my posting history. Ive long advocated inviting S Miss and have said they should have been chosen rather than Tulane. I have no idea how that didnt happen. Makes no sense to me. BTW--for the record, both Houston and Tulsa have more total wins than S Miss since 2005--so some of those invitees have done ok too.

Lets set aside that cluster from last year, since, by your own admission one time events don't count.

Coog, just messing with ya. I would be pissed too if the BE did to us what they have done to the teams going in. All I know is that our AD has had a series of town hall meetings and the costs that Tallgrass has posted are close to what he has said the cost would be when the question was raised. He has all but said that they have put the pencil to it and it just doesn't work out as profitable for several years. The former AD said as much a few years ago after representatives of the BE visited the campus before UCF, SMU and UH were invited. I have never seen the proforma, but since both of them, and both are polar opposites, had seemed to say the same thing I tend to believe it.

By the way, still believe that multiple OT game between my Eagles and the Cougs is one of the best of all time.
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(03-11-2013 05:28 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 11:45 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  
(03-11-2013 11:30 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  The best "compromise" for all parties involved would see UTSA, UTEP, Tulsa and TSU move the the MWC, UH, SMU, and Tulane come back to the CUSA.

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Just stop!!!!

(03-11-2013 11:30 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  The only way you see that is if there is a nuclear option for the ACC and mass defections happen. Then UConn, Cinci, Temple, USF, UCF, Memphis, and ECU goes to what is left of the ACC.

Even in a gutted ACC they still have the east coast covered. We would have just as much a shot at the ACC as you would being a new market and good programs.

I will admit down this year in fb and a dispointment in mens bb.

So nice of you to relegate us to the craptastic CUSA!!!

We are NEVER going back there how can I spell it out more?

We would go to the MWC before that happened.

Your posts reflect your age

Ok?.....

You can pm me if you really want to know how old I am. But what does that have to do with having ZERO desire to go back to CUSA and think (no we are not #1) just as viable an option for the ACC as ECU.

One of us has an inflated sense if self (UH v ECU) and the other knows even if we are not the belle of the ball we have options not named CUSA.

That is all I as expressing.
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(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  You are drinking WAY too much Kool-Aid if you think that the ACC would not factor in the fact that SMU, Tulane and UH would be all be geographic outliers and ding you all for it.

I am on record and if you look at the cards about to be handed out you would see that the ACC loses 6-8 schools. 2 to the SEC, 2 to the B10, and between 2 and 4 to the B12. You pick the schools but its not diffucult to figure it out.

We are not an option if they lose 5 or less (posssibly but I don't think so). However if they hit the magic number of 6 you better believe we are (and we are) on the list. We can be option #1 or we could just make the cut I don't care about measuring male appendages.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  The ACC has and will be a basketball first conference centered around the east coast.


And how does your basketball tradition line up? Yeah I didn't think so. Your geography though convienient is not the end all be all. The same as our "new" market would not be ours. Yes they are factors but not the one and only.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  The real difference is that the ACC has enough schools within geographic proximity that if a raid happens they can fill locally (unlike the BE)

You mean like say the B10? Who epanded to new markets when they could have added Miami of Ohio and Bowling Green? Or the B12 when they added WVU?

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  and has been proactive enough to fill to 14 schools that even in the event of a massive raid there is enough of a core to not have to make decisions dictated by survival.

Agreed to an extent. If they had not expanded to the degree they have then the ACC would not even have a chance of survivng. Yes, because they were proactive they will be around in some form for a long time.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  There is no way UH gets added solo due to geography.

I would have to agree somewhat. Like I said we are not an option until they lose 6 or more schools (like they will) and in that case they will be looking to expand into new markets in addtion to Houston/Texas.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  So at a minimum its UH and SMU or Tulane. How do you sell both schools over a single school in the footprint?

I see that we have some of the same ideas here. I think all three (in some fashion or another) would be considered.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  If you sell the ACC on 2 geographic outliers, how do you align divisions?

Just spit balling here but to play along say the ACC loses Fl St., Clemson, Miami, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, NC State, and Georgia Tech.

Leaving Duke (who I think is gone if NC leave but we are just speculating here anyway), Wake, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and BC.

How much of an "outlier" would we be "if" as you suggest UH, SMU, Tulane, and now my 2 cents by adding Memphis, Cincy, UConn, Temple, USF, UCF, and ECU?

Your "divisons" coming out like.....

East: UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, ECU, Wake, Temple, Duke

West: UH, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, USF, UCF, Louisville, Cincy

Never said ECU does not deserve a chance though you were quick to judge. I just don't think you are a sinch either and took offense to the relegation of us to the craptastic CUSA.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  I think you are taking your acceptance into the BE to mean that you are on par with the rest of the BE members for a potential ACC spot

And you yours.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  when in the pecking order of expansion, there are many better fits for the ACC than UH or SMU or Tulane at this point.

As for ECU which was the point I was making all along.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  The biggest argument would be ECU vs UH, but it depends on how many NC schools are left and if they have room for 1 or 2 schools at the time.

Fair enough.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  As far as the MWC, that "plan" is not as much of a slam dunk as you keep thinking it is. How are you going to convince the MWC to expand?

Because we have been invited twice before (at least once in the last 12 months) and they stopped at 12. If they has not stopped and had expanded to 14 or more without us I would have to agree.

The MWC (and their TV partners) want back into Texas. The schools need the recruiting and TV wants the (potential) eyeballs. I would have to run the numbers again but if you leave out California (SDST and Fresno) between Dallas and Houston alone our population exeeds the rest of the entire MWC footprint.

That being said I don't want to go there. The "special" deal for Boise kills it for me.

(03-11-2013 12:32 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  No school that has left the CUSA has a slam dunk spot in any other conference, outside of coming back to the CUSA or going to the nBe (or A12 or whatever they are calling it now). It is best to realize that now and be prepared for the worst than to dismiss the possible and be crushed when the improbable does not come to fruition.

Other than going back to CUSA I agree with you.
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