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USF/UCF with a top 5 combined Tampa/Orlando market, is the #1 combo left on the board.

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(03-18-2013 10:06 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:43 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is an idea......what about Florida State all sports and BYU FB only?

BYU would accept a FB only situation. It would save the B12 on travel costs while adding another name school.

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. Nobody in the ACC wants to join the Big 12. Nobody.

The TCU AD said publicly that multiple ACC schools said they wanted in the Big 12. The chair of the FSU Board said the entire board wanted to hear what the Big 12 has to offer. No ACC school may ever leave for the Big 12 but to say it as if it is an impossibility is ridiculous.

(03-18-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:43 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is an idea......what about Florida State all sports and BYU FB only?

BYU would accept a FB only situation. It would save the B12 on travel costs while adding another name school.

Louis, if we are headed to a finale then perhaps the best thing for the Big 12 to do is to cut West Virginia free of the GOR and exit fees and let them pay what they were loaned plus interest so they can move to either the SEC or ACC. That would free the Big 12 to expand more into the Southeast with both Central and South Florida and accommodate B.Y.U. That way the split is never more than 12 ways, they have their championship game and don't have to worry about getting a smaller share of the playoff money. Plus it cuts everyone's travel a bit.

The ACC doesn't want WVU and neither does the SEC. WVU wouldn't leave. Anyway, WVU makes $$$$, so it doesn't make sense to cut them loose and then take a school in WVU's timezone that doesn't make very much money.

(03-18-2013 10:18 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF/UCF with a top 5 combined Tampa/Orlando market, is the #1 combo left on the board.

I know many in the SEC would consider it to be a big reach, but U.S.F. with Gulf Coast exposure, access to South Florida recruiting, and with the rapidity with which their academics are on the rise would be a great speculative move for the SEC (especially in a more limited field of prospects). With SEC money it wouldn't take long for the Bulls to more than pull their weight. Obviously the first selection on another Florida team would be F.S.U. because their addition would not have to be justified by the conference office, but South Florida has way to much upside for them to be ignored.

(03-18-2013 08:15 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:05 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I think Texas is more concerned about their power being taken away than the money. Lets be honest here, Texas has a lot of power over the other Texas schools in the conference.

If Texas has so much "power", why did it get screwed out of a national title shot during the weird 3 team tie-breaker in 2008? How was Texas Tech able to stay off of the LHN?

This whole talk about Texas and controlling the Big 12 is silly. Texas has 1 vote.

The real question is this.....who are the 2 teams most likely to be invited by the Big 12 if all of the ACC teams are a no-go?

Go after California market and invite Fresno State and SDSU. It is silly to leave the biggest tv market to the PAC12 by the contract conferences. The SEC/ACC is in the Florida market. The B12/SEC is in the Texas market.

(03-18-2013 10:26 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:43 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is an idea......what about Florida State all sports and BYU FB only?

BYU would accept a FB only situation. It would save the B12 on travel costs while adding another name school.

Louis, if we are headed to a finale then perhaps the best thing for the Big 12 to do is to cut West Virginia free of the GOR and exit fees and let them pay what they were loaned plus interest so they can move to either the SEC or ACC. That would free the Big 12 to expand more into the Southeast with both Central and South Florida and accommodate B.Y.U. That way the split is never more than 12 ways, they have their championship game and don't have to worry about getting a smaller share of the playoff money. Plus it cuts everyone's travel a bit.

The ACC doesn't want WVU and neither does the SEC. WVU wouldn't leave. Anyway, WVU makes $$$$, so it doesn't make sense to cut them loose and then take a school in WVU's timezone that doesn't make very much money.

Whether they can continue to make money for the Big 12 is a question that has yet to be answered over a longer span of time. The travel problems have already been noted. I think even some of the West Virginia fans would rather play closer to home and those numbers will only grow. Plus if the ACC holds firm, as I expect them to do, then the SEC would have an interest in getting into the area they had hoped to acquire through Virginia Tech, and West Virginia gives them part of that. Travel to Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina are a heckuva lot closer for the Mountaineers than what they do now.

(03-18-2013 08:15 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:05 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I think Texas is more concerned about their power being taken away than the money. Lets be honest here, Texas has a lot of power over the other Texas schools in the conference.

If Texas has so much "power", why did it get screwed out of a national title shot during the weird 3 team tie-breaker in 2008? How was Texas Tech able to stay off of the LHN?

This whole talk about Texas and controlling the Big 12 is silly. Texas has 1 vote.

The real question is this.....who are the 2 teams most likely to be invited by the Big 12 if all of the ACC teams are a no-go?

Go after California market and invite Fresno State and SDSU. It is silly to leave the biggest tv market to the PAC12 by the contract conferences. The SEC/ACC is in the Florida market. The B12/SEC is in the Texas market. Even if the ACC is a go, then the B12 would have teams coast to coast for tv sets.

(03-18-2013 10:23 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:06 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:43 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is an idea......what about Florida State all sports and BYU FB only?

BYU would accept a FB only situation. It would save the B12 on travel costs while adding another name school.

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again. Nobody in the ACC wants to join the Big 12. Nobody.

The TCU AD said publicly that multiple ACC schools said they wanted in the Big 12. The chair of the FSU Board said the entire board wanted to hear what the Big 12 has to offer. No ACC school may ever leave for the Big 12 but to say it as if it is an impossibility is ridiculous.

Texas also (VERY publicly) flirted with the B1G, SEC, Pac-12, and ACC. Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, and Mizzou (before they flirted with the B1G and before the SEC invite came) flirted with the BIG EAST. Oklahoma (publicly) flirted with the Pac-12, B1G, and SEC. OSU and TTech both have done everything in their power to tie themselves with Texas and OU in the event that Texas and/or OU jumps. WVU lobbied the ACC and the SEC before they accepted the Big XII invite.

In fact, the only Big XII schools that haven't tried to jump ship, or seriously considered jumping ship, are TCU and ISU and that's because their only options are the CUSA, A-12, and MWC.

My point isn't that the Big XII is going to fail tomorrow. It's that the ______ talked to ______ conference game is dumb and goes in circles, unless you're a fan of a SEC/B1G/Pac school, and the only reason why the Pac is safe is because the only conferences close to them are the Big XII and the MWC, and the MWC isn't a power conference, and 80% of the Big XII is considering jumping to another conference...

(03-18-2013 10:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:26 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:43 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is an idea......what about Florida State all sports and BYU FB only?

BYU would accept a FB only situation. It would save the B12 on travel costs while adding another name school.

Louis, if we are headed to a finale then perhaps the best thing for the Big 12 to do is to cut West Virginia free of the GOR and exit fees and let them pay what they were loaned plus interest so they can move to either the SEC or ACC. That would free the Big 12 to expand more into the Southeast with both Central and South Florida and accommodate B.Y.U. That way the split is never more than 12 ways, they have their championship game and don't have to worry about getting a smaller share of the playoff money. Plus it cuts everyone's travel a bit.

The ACC doesn't want WVU and neither does the SEC. WVU wouldn't leave. Anyway, WVU makes $$$$, so it doesn't make sense to cut them loose and then take a school in WVU's timezone that doesn't make very much money.

Whether they can continue to make money for the Big 12 is a question that has yet to be answered over a longer span of time. The travel problems have already been noted. I think even some of the West Virginia fans would rather play closer to home and those numbers will only grow. Plus if the ACC holds firm, as I expect them to do, then the SEC would have an interest in getting into the area they had hoped to acquire through Virginia Tech, and West Virginia gives them part of that. Travel to Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina are a heckuva lot closer for the Mountaineers than what they do now.

I can assure you that WVU would jump from the Big XII if they had options. I can also assure you that the B1G, ACC, and SEC JUST turned them down, which means they don't have options. They wouldn't go anywhere.

Also, as a Syracuse fan, I speak from experience when I assure you that if WVU can make money in the BIG EAST with BIG EAST TV/Bowl/NCAA/Tourney payouts, a BIG EAST schedule, and (all 5) BIG EAST visiting fans, then they can make money in the Big XII. Big XII TV money alone will be $10 million more than the ENTIRE per school BIG EAST payout, and the only group of fans who traveled in numbers to Morgantown were Pitt fans, and even then, it wasn't overwhelming. At least the Big XII has Texas and OU. Travel costs will go up, traveling is a pain for "student [sic] athletes," and being in island is not ideal, but WVU will make more in the Big XII than the BIG EAST, and WVU was profitable in the BIG EAST. That is without question.

(03-18-2013 10:40 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:26 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 09:43 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is an idea......what about Florida State all sports and BYU FB only?

BYU would accept a FB only situation. It would save the B12 on travel costs while adding another name school.

Louis, if we are headed to a finale then perhaps the best thing for the Big 12 to do is to cut West Virginia free of the GOR and exit fees and let them pay what they were loaned plus interest so they can move to either the SEC or ACC. That would free the Big 12 to expand more into the Southeast with both Central and South Florida and accommodate B.Y.U. That way the split is never more than 12 ways, they have their championship game and don't have to worry about getting a smaller share of the playoff money. Plus it cuts everyone's travel a bit.

The ACC doesn't want WVU and neither does the SEC. WVU wouldn't leave. Anyway, WVU makes $$$$, so it doesn't make sense to cut them loose and then take a school in WVU's timezone that doesn't make very much money.

Whether they can continue to make money for the Big 12 is a question that has yet to be answered over a longer span of time. The travel problems have already been noted. I think even some of the West Virginia fans would rather play closer to home and those numbers will only grow. Plus if the ACC holds firm, as I expect them to do, then the SEC would have an interest in getting into the area they had hoped to acquire through Virginia Tech, and West Virginia gives them part of that. Travel to Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina are a heckuva lot closer for the Mountaineers than what they do now.

I can assure you that WVU would jump from the Big XII if they had options. I can also assure you that the B1G, ACC, and SEC JUST turned them down, which means they don't have options. They wouldn't go anywhere.

And I can assure you that if neither the ACC or Big 12 is raided and groupings look like they are going to be fixed for a while, and the SEC has a chance to get off of the #14 they would give them a look again. The biggest question would be at 16 who else?

(03-18-2013 08:26 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:17 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing to me, if that is the case about the money, where they would get the same per team payout at 12 as they do 10- and the tv money remains the same- there is no downfall or reason for them NOT to expand. Could be bad news for some conferences. it'll be interesting to see if Fox tries to inject some more tv money to sweeten the pot even more to get 2 teams to move.

Interest'n point...puts the folks in Bristol in a situation that they "might have to pay true market value" on products they have control over...

They are paying true market value. That value can change (a lot in recent years), but as long as their is competition going for the sports and they are signing with the best offer, it's market value.

Wanting to move to another conference is not the same thing as needing to or having to. I seriously doubt anyone in the ACC "wants" to go to the Big 12. But I am sure all of them south of the Mason Dixon line know full well they may need to or have to do just that at some point. And for that reason, they examine the data from time to time and keep their options open for now.

But looking at that situation and then implying that a bunch of ACC schools are doing the pee pee dance because they can't wait to get into the Big 12 is very inaccurate.

First, I dont know where the Lafayette Louisiana paper is getting their info from. They could be right, but I'm not convinced this story is accurate.

If it is accurate, and the Big 12 needs more teams, one would think UConn and Cincinnati are next on the board. A Big 12 network would be on cable in New York and in metro Cincinnati. West Virginia would have some rivals reasonably close by.

(03-18-2013 09:43 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Here is an idea......what about Florida State all sports and BYU FB only?

BYU would accept a FB only situation. It would save the B12 on travel costs while adding another name school.

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Go for the hail mary shot and invite Alabàma and Florida.

(03-18-2013 10:36 AM)buffdog Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:15 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:05 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I think Texas is more concerned about their power being taken away than the money. Lets be honest here, Texas has a lot of power over the other Texas schools in the conference.

If Texas has so much "power", why did it get screwed out of a national title shot during the weird 3 team tie-breaker in 2008? How was Texas Tech able to stay off of the LHN?

This whole talk about Texas and controlling the Big 12 is silly. Texas has 1 vote.

The real question is this.....who are the 2 teams most likely to be invited by the Big 12 if all of the ACC teams are a no-go?

Go after California market and invite Fresno State and SDSU. It is silly to leave the biggest tv market to the PAC12 by the contract conferences. The SEC/ACC is in the Florida market. The B12/SEC is in the Texas market. Even if the ACC is a go, then the B12 would have teams coast to coast for tv sets.

The entire theory behind markets is dumb and illogical. Conferences should make a list of like-minded schools in their regions. They should then refine the list to schools that are located in recruiting hot beds. Then finally, conferences should determine the number of people that are interested in watching those schools play, and how passionate their fans are, and the schools on the list with the most fans, and the most passionate fans should be added (taking growth trends into account).

(03-18-2013 10:48 AM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  First, I dont know where the Lafayette Louisiana paper is getting their info from. They could be right, but I'm not convinced this story is accurate.

If it is accurate, and the Big 12 needs more teams, one would think UConn and Cincinnati are next on the board. A Big 12 network would be on cable in New York and in metro Cincinnati. West Virginia would have some rivals reasonably close by.

What you say is valid. But I think the Texas crowd would ask, "One long trip North is bad enough, why would we want to have to make it 3 times every few years?"

(03-18-2013 10:51 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:36 AM)buffdog Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:15 AM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 08:05 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I think Texas is more concerned about their power being taken away than the money. Lets be honest here, Texas has a lot of power over the other Texas schools in the conference.

If Texas has so much "power", why did it get screwed out of a national title shot during the weird 3 team tie-breaker in 2008? How was Texas Tech able to stay off of the LHN?

This whole talk about Texas and controlling the Big 12 is silly. Texas has 1 vote.

The real question is this.....who are the 2 teams most likely to be invited by the Big 12 if all of the ACC teams are a no-go?

Go after California market and invite Fresno State and SDSU. It is silly to leave the biggest tv market to the PAC12 by the contract conferences. The SEC/ACC is in the Florida market. The B12/SEC is in the Texas market. Even if the ACC is a go, then the B12 would have teams coast to coast for tv sets.

The entire theory behind markets is dumb and illogical. Conferences should make a list of like-minded schools in their regions. They should then refine the list to schools that are located in recruiting hot beds. Then finally, conferences should determine the number of people that are interested in watching those schools play, and how passionate their fans are, and the schools on the list with the most fans, and the most passionate fans should be added (taking growth trends into account).

Hey, I wish they would do that. I would have loved to have seen Clemson and Florida State in the SEC. But the carrots being dangled by the networks will preclude reason.

(03-18-2013 10:43 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:40 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:26 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Louis, if we are headed to a finale then perhaps the best thing for the Big 12 to do is to cut West Virginia free of the GOR and exit fees and let them pay what they were loaned plus interest so they can move to either the SEC or ACC. That would free the Big 12 to expand more into the Southeast with both Central and South Florida and accommodate B.Y.U. That way the split is never more than 12 ways, they have their championship game and don't have to worry about getting a smaller share of the playoff money. Plus it cuts everyone's travel a bit.

The ACC doesn't want WVU and neither does the SEC. WVU wouldn't leave. Anyway, WVU makes $$$$, so it doesn't make sense to cut them loose and then take a school in WVU's timezone that doesn't make very much money.

Whether they can continue to make money for the Big 12 is a question that has yet to be answered over a longer span of time. The travel problems have already been noted. I think even some of the West Virginia fans would rather play closer to home and those numbers will only grow. Plus if the ACC holds firm, as I expect them to do, then the SEC would have an interest in getting into the area they had hoped to acquire through Virginia Tech, and West Virginia gives them part of that. Travel to Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina are a heckuva lot closer for the Mountaineers than what they do now.

I can assure you that WVU would jump from the Big XII if they had options. I can also assure you that the B1G, ACC, and SEC JUST turned them down, which means they don't have options. They wouldn't go anywhere.

And I can assure you that if neither the ACC or Big 12 is raided and groupings look like they are going to be fixed for a while, and the SEC has a chance to get off of the #14 they would give them a look again. The biggest question would be at 16 who else?

What's changed that would make WVU suddenly valuable to the SEC? My money is on the SEC looking at FSU, Vtech, UNC, Texas, OU, and OSU first. I think that Texas and OU would be targets #1 and #2, because the SEC + Texas + OU = far and away the most profitable conference, B1G included.