I agree Wedge. Aresco, in his interview with Magnus, did say that they could announce expansion news in the next few weeks. Sue me if I'm wrong but I think his actual quote was something like "I believe we may have something to announce on that in the next few weeks."

I guess Tulsa was in need of a new AD.

Tulsa just hired EMUs AD (...scratches head) so likely that is why everything was stalled. Tulsa wanted the new AD to sign off and announce this.

(03-21-2013 11:53 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  If its 2015...it could be UMass, gives them more time to get acclimated to D-1 in football. In all honesty, what would be the reason to announce now? The Aresco League has a TV deal that includes a number of "schools" and it can't have a champ game until 2015 in FB. I guess if you are going to add for 2014 you have to add by early June for the purpose of exit fee's, etc...but if it is going to be 2015, you could wait until this time next year.

I'm starting to think UMass FB only might make the most sense for the Aresco League.

You've got 4 basketball heavy weights (Memphis, UConn, Temple, UC) and 4 schools with some hoops success (Houston, SMU, USF, UCF) to tether to a couple of BB duds (ECU, Tulane). The SOS of this league should be pretty high in basketball. It could easily be a 5 bid league. An 11th school in basketball would lead to unbalanced scheduling.

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  No ACC teams are withdrawing, but Navy is still iffy on the Aresco league.

UVA and GA Tech are likely candidates to leave the ACC for the B10

Va Tech and Nc St are likely candidates to leave the ACC for the SEC.

(03-21-2013 05:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:53 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  If its 2015...it could be UMass, gives them more time to get acclimated to D-1 in football. In all honesty, what would be the reason to announce now? The Aresco League has a TV deal that includes a number of "schools" and it can't have a champ game until 2015 in FB. I guess if you are going to add for 2014 you have to add by early June for the purpose of exit fee's, etc...but if it is going to be 2015, you could wait until this time next year.

I'm starting to think UMass FB only might make the most sense for the Aresco League.

You've got 4 basketball heavy weights (Memphis, UConn, Temple, UC) and 4 schools with some hoops success (Houston, SMU, USF, UCF) to tether to a couple of BB duds (ECU, Tulane). The SOS of this league should be pretty high in basketball. It could easily be a 5 bid league. An 11th school in basketball would lead to unbalanced scheduling.

Why on earth would we add football dead weight in UMass? I love how people can harp on having poor bball but an awful fball school gets a pass

UMass will get in if they want to. The Yankees have "dibs" on everything in this country. Believe me, the rest of C-Whatever would bulldoze ECU if they thought it would get UMass in. On-field past performance is beyond irrelevant

(03-21-2013 07:05 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  No ACC teams are withdrawing, but Navy is still iffy on the Aresco league.

UVA and GA Tech are likely candidates to leave the ACC for the B10

Va Tech and Nc St are likely candidates to leave the ACC for the SEC.

Where you did you get this information from? The Internet?

(03-21-2013 05:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:53 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  If its 2015...it could be UMass, gives them more time to get acclimated to D-1 in football. In all honesty, what would be the reason to announce now? The Aresco League has a TV deal that includes a number of "schools" and it can't have a champ game until 2015 in FB. I guess if you are going to add for 2014 you have to add by early June for the purpose of exit fee's, etc...but if it is going to be 2015, you could wait until this time next year.

I'm starting to think UMass FB only might make the most sense for the Aresco League.

You've got 4 basketball heavy weights (Memphis, UConn, Temple, UC) and 4 schools with some hoops success (Houston, SMU, USF, UCF) to tether to a couple of BB duds (ECU, Tulane). The SOS of this league should be pretty high in basketball. It could easily be a 5 bid league. An 11th school in basketball would lead to unbalanced scheduling.

Which is why you add VCU, a 5th basketball heavyweight.

I'm actually going to shift my assessment here. I had stated that Tulsa would be the "dumbest rock in the box" to accept an invite after everything's that's unfolded, but IF Tulsa can negotiate a contingency with CUSA over the largest portion of exit fees so that they have a cheap, or free, out between now and 2015 that wouldn't be THAT bad of a situation...although there is still the fact that if they do move in 2015 they will, just like the other schools, be paying an exorbitant amount of money for very little (if any) gain.

(03-21-2013 05:01 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:53 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  If its 2015...it could be UMass, gives them more time to get acclimated to D-1 in football. In all honesty, what would be the reason to announce now? The Aresco League has a TV deal that includes a number of "schools" and it can't have a champ game until 2015 in FB. I guess if you are going to add for 2014 you have to add by early June for the purpose of exit fee's, etc...but if it is going to be 2015, you could wait until this time next year.

I'm starting to think UMass FB only might make the most sense for the Aresco League.

You've got 4 basketball heavy weights (Memphis, UConn, Temple, UC) and 4 schools with some hoops success (Houston, SMU, USF, UCF) to tether to a couple of BB duds (ECU, Tulane). The SOS of this league should be pretty high in basketball. It could easily be a 5 bid league. An 11th school in basketball would lead to unbalanced scheduling.

How in the world is ECU a basketball dud? Of all the teams you listed with some hoops success, ECU is equal to or better than. If you are talking past history...that is worthless. That might be valuable if the Big East had remained together. No one cares now. What matters is how strong teams are now.

ECU (19-12)
Tulane (20-14)

You're in good shape if that's the bottom of the conference. If Tulane and ECU win 11-12 games in non-conference then they actually won't kill your RPI when you beat them since a large part of the equation is "records of opponents you played".

A basketball conference that includes: Memphis, Cincy, Temple, UConn, UMass, VCU, Houston, SMU, USF, UCF, Tulane, and ECU might garner some attention come March.

(03-21-2013 10:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:18 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Burried in an article in the Tulsa World this morning - our beat writer said now that all the conference tourney stuff is over, that we should expect a switch in conferences very soon.

Who knows though, I feel like we've been waited forever.

Even if it was announced this afternoon, I still doubt the newly announced school would arrive prior to 2015. Theres really no point. A CCG in 2014 can only occur if the nCAA has a rule change allowing a CCG by 10 team conferences or if Nave decides to join early (which they have said repeated that they cant get there until 2015, I suspect, because they would have to buy out too many games in 2014 to make the move possible). The only other option I can see is if part of the 100 million in exit fees was used to buy Navy out of enough 2014 games to join early. Ive never even heard that mentioned as an option.

Not to flame or troll, but when Tulsa is asked to join the America 12, CUSA should request, as a condition of their exit, that they leave for 2014. CUSA wants to move move forward with their new membership and setup. I'm sure the reasonable folkes at Tulsa would understand that and meet the request. The America 12 can handle uneven membership for one year, until Navy joins up.

(03-21-2013 11:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:25 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:18 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Burried in an article in the Tulsa World this morning - our beat writer said now that all the conference tourney stuff is over, that we should expect a switch in conferences very soon.

Who knows though, I feel like we've been waited forever.

Even if it was announced this afternoon, I still doubt the newly announced school would arrive prior to 2015. Theres really no point.

I've heard both 2014 or 2015 - I thought even Aresco said that the TV deal was being sold as 10 for 2013, 11 for 2014 and 12 for 2015. Seems like it would make more sense to come in 2015 from the standpoint of the Old Big East, but from a TU fan standpoint - I want to go ASAP.

I can understand that and I too hope it happens fast, not because I want CUSA to lose Tulsa - I don't - but because I realize its going to happen and I'd like CUSA to get on with the replacement, which I assume will be WKU but there are other possibilities as well. The sooner the better for everyone.

I agree. Tulsa has represented CUSA well, but I'm anxious to see how the conference will react to their departure. I'm hoping for an unlikely triple play. Add WKU, Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette.

West: UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi

East: MTSU, WKU, UAB, Marshall, Old Dominion, UNC-Charlotte, FIU, FAU

(03-22-2013 11:10 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:25 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:18 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Burried in an article in the Tulsa World this morning - our beat writer said now that all the conference tourney stuff is over, that we should expect a switch in conferences very soon.

Who knows though, I feel like we've been waited forever.

Even if it was announced this afternoon, I still doubt the newly announced school would arrive prior to 2015. Theres really no point.

I've heard both 2014 or 2015 - I thought even Aresco said that the TV deal was being sold as 10 for 2013, 11 for 2014 and 12 for 2015. Seems like it would make more sense to come in 2015 from the standpoint of the Old Big East, but from a TU fan standpoint - I want to go ASAP.

I can understand that and I too hope it happens fast, not because I want CUSA to lose Tulsa - I don't - but because I realize its going to happen and I'd like CUSA to get on with the replacement, which I assume will be WKU but there are other possibilities as well. The sooner the better for everyone.

I agree. Tulsa has represented CUSA well, but I'm anxious to see how the conference will react to their departure. I'm hoping for an unlikely triple play. Add WKU, Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette.West: UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi

East: MTSU, WKU, UAB, Marshall, Old Dominion, UNC-Charlotte, FIU, FAU

I've thought the same thing and with the good football going on at all 3 of those, good basketball history at ULL and WKU, improved facilities coming at ULL, I think this would be a good move. Might not have a lot of support within CUSA to share media income 16 ways though.

(03-22-2013 11:23 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-22-2013 11:10 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:25 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Even if it was announced this afternoon, I still doubt the newly announced school would arrive prior to 2015. Theres really no point.

I've heard both 2014 or 2015 - I thought even Aresco said that the TV deal was being sold as 10 for 2013, 11 for 2014 and 12 for 2015. Seems like it would make more sense to come in 2015 from the standpoint of the Old Big East, but from a TU fan standpoint - I want to go ASAP.

I can understand that and I too hope it happens fast, not because I want CUSA to lose Tulsa - I don't - but because I realize its going to happen and I'd like CUSA to get on with the replacement, which I assume will be WKU but there are other possibilities as well. The sooner the better for everyone.

I agree. Tulsa has represented CUSA well, but I'm anxious to see how the conference will react to their departure. I'm hoping for an unlikely triple play. Add WKU, Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette.West: UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi

East: MTSU, WKU, UAB, Marshall, Old Dominion, UNC-Charlotte, FIU, FAU

I've thought the same thing and with the good football going on at all 3 of those, good basketball history at ULL and WKU, improved facilities coming at ULL, I think this would be a good move. Might not have a lot of support within CUSA to share media income 16 ways though.

It makes complete sense geographically as well. Just adding WKU would force UAB to shift far from it's regional footprint. And as you mention, all three of those have tremendous upside. They've outgrown the Sun Belt and the CUSA media deal will be renegotiated in a couple of years.

(03-22-2013 11:10 AM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 11:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:25 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:23 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2013 10:18 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Burried in an article in the Tulsa World this morning - our beat writer said now that all the conference tourney stuff is over, that we should expect a switch in conferences very soon.

Who knows though, I feel like we've been waited forever.

Even if it was announced this afternoon, I still doubt the newly announced school would arrive prior to 2015. Theres really no point.

I've heard both 2014 or 2015 - I thought even Aresco said that the TV deal was being sold as 10 for 2013, 11 for 2014 and 12 for 2015. Seems like it would make more sense to come in 2015 from the standpoint of the Old Big East, but from a TU fan standpoint - I want to go ASAP.

I can understand that and I too hope it happens fast, not because I want CUSA to lose Tulsa - I don't - but because I realize its going to happen and I'd like CUSA to get on with the replacement, which I assume will be WKU but there are other possibilities as well. The sooner the better for everyone.

I agree. Tulsa has represented CUSA well, but I'm anxious to see how the conference will react to their departure. I'm hoping for an unlikely triple play. Add WKU, Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette.

West: UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi

East: MTSU, WKU, UAB, Marshall, Old Dominion, UNC-Charlotte, FIU, FAU

The people in CUSA are grownups. Its nothing like the Big East departures.