See a story here. I hope the NCAA gets the living daylights beat out of them.

(04-05-2013 01:09 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  See a story here. I hope the NCAA gets the living daylights beat out of them.

+100

I'd be willing to bet that Miami has already fulfilled any sanctions at the NCAA will try to dish out.

(04-05-2013 02:23 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I'd be willing to bet that Miami has already fulfilled any sanctions at the NCAA will try to dish out.

You're absolutely damn right. If they do anything over what's already been done, the NCAA should be paying us a lot of money after they lose in court. Obviously I am extremely heated in my dislike for the NCAA after what they've done, but still - the stuff we've done (two bowl bans AND a champ game berth gone along with scholarship reductions) is plenty enough.

Well if this goes thru and Miami is hit with time served motion then I would hveto think anyone associated with the investigation ( assitant coaches etc ) will be exempt to any and all ramifications as well. I hope they pull this off even though the NC2A. Has scrrwwed this whole investigation up they should at least admit to their mistakes and dismiss all charges across the board due to negligence ion the NC2A 's behalf.

im hopin that miami wins its case versus NCAA and coach hurtt rides miamis coattails and comes back a free man

It's a joke that Miami is going to get away with this because the NCAA f'd up parts of it. It is even a bigger joke that their fanbase is acting like this means Miami is innocent and didn't do the crimes. This is one of the biggest rogue programs in the NCAA and they damn sure did the stuff mentioned. They are getting away with it because the NCAA overstepped their jurisdiction and conducted their research in the wrong manner. Let's not confuse that with Miami actually being innocent here.

(04-07-2013 03:55 PM)Ragu Wrote:  It's a joke that Miami is going to get away with this because the NCAA f'd up parts of it. It is even a bigger joke that their fanbase is acting like this means Miami is innocent and didn't do the crimes. This is one of the biggest rogue programs in the NCAA and they damn sure did the stuff mentioned. They are getting away with it because the NCAA overstepped their jurisdiction and conducted their research in the wrong manner. Let's not confuse that with Miami actually being innocent here.

Yup. Most of the time people b*tch that the NCAA doesn't do enough. But now the NCAA used tactics that don't seem unscrupulous to me AT ALL (seemingly legal in a courtroom) but are apparently outside the NCAA's guidelines and people are hoping a school gets off.

Miami, like all programs, should have sanctions that are commensurate with the violations they committed.

This reminds me of a botched murder investigation where the only charges that are actually found guilty is tax evasion. Miami should be wiping the sweat off of their foreheads rather than being on the offensive. They're getting slapped on the wrist because the NCAA is pretty much worthless and can't conduct their own investigations.

(04-07-2013 03:55 PM)Ragu Wrote:  It's a joke that Miami is going to get away with this because the NCAA f'd up parts of it. It is even a bigger joke that their fanbase is acting like this means Miami is innocent and didn't do the crimes. This is one of the biggest rogue programs in the NCAA and they damn sure did the stuff mentioned. They are getting away with it because the NCAA overstepped their jurisdiction and conducted their research in the wrong manner. Let's not confuse that with Miami actually being innocent here.

Can't disagree with that. I guess the things I have a problem with are

(1) it took WAY too long - they should be finished w/ probation by now, but the NCAA hasn't even handed down a ruling yet!?! That's like keeping someone in jail for 2 years awaiting his sentence and then telling him his 2 years begins today - that isn't fair the other way.

(2) Oregon cheated as bad as Miami, and UNC and Auburn probably cheated worse, yet the NCAA only seems interested in punishing the 'Canes. It just seems like favoritism within the NCAA, IMO.

As you point out, that doesn't mean Miami is innocent, however.

UM was in it deep, and dirty. The NCAA screwed up bad, and that will be to UM's advantage. But don't come off sounding like you were wronged. The NCAA simply cheated to catch the cheaters. Both sides deserve the death penalty.

NCAA tells Miami to STFU.

"From the enforcement's staff perspective the motion to dismiss by the institution and involved individuals are attempts to deflect attention from the significant allegations that remain in the case."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...llegations

Don't worry, I'm sure Nevin Shapiro will come up with more stories to help the NCAA again. I swear, it seems like everyone has a vendetta against UM. I wonder when the cheating allegations will come against Alabama, Oregon, LSU, and the like, or if they'll even ever come.

And the "enforcement staff" are the people who screwed the investigation up. I guess they'll try to cover up their $#!& that they left behind. No doubt UM had violations but seriously, when is it OK to use a convicted criminal as your main witness with legally immoral investigative tactics?

Tell me how it's okay to have a con man tell a story twice then claim it's absolute truth.

(04-07-2013 08:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 03:55 PM)Ragu Wrote:  It's a joke that Miami is going to get away with this because the NCAA f'd up parts of it. It is even a bigger joke that their fanbase is acting like this means Miami is innocent and didn't do the crimes. This is one of the biggest rogue programs in the NCAA and they damn sure did the stuff mentioned. They are getting away with it because the NCAA overstepped their jurisdiction and conducted their research in the wrong manner. Let's not confuse that with Miami actually being innocent here.

Can't disagree with that. I guess the things I have a problem with are

(1) it took WAY too long - they should be finished w/ probation by now, but the NCAA hasn't even handed down a ruling yet!?! That's like keeping someone in jail for 2 years awaiting his sentence and then telling him his 2 years begins today - that isn't fair the other way.

(2) Oregon cheated as bad as Miami, and UNC and Auburn probably cheated worse, yet the NCAA only seems interested in punishing the 'Canes. It just seems like favoritism within the NCAA, IMO.

As you point out, that doesn't mean Miami is innocent, however.

The Canes are private. Oregon, Auburn, and UNC are public. Public schools get off (PSU) and private schools get destroyed (SMU).

**Yes, I know PSU is "state-related," but that's just another way of saying "underfunded and won't cooperate with investigations."**

(04-11-2013 01:06 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 08:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-07-2013 03:55 PM)Ragu Wrote:  It's a joke that Miami is going to get away with this because the NCAA f'd up parts of it. It is even a bigger joke that their fanbase is acting like this means Miami is innocent and didn't do the crimes. This is one of the biggest rogue programs in the NCAA and they damn sure did the stuff mentioned. They are getting away with it because the NCAA overstepped their jurisdiction and conducted their research in the wrong manner. Let's not confuse that with Miami actually being innocent here.

Can't disagree with that. I guess the things I have a problem with are

(1) it took WAY too long - they should be finished w/ probation by now, but the NCAA hasn't even handed down a ruling yet!?! That's like keeping someone in jail for 2 years awaiting his sentence and then telling him his 2 years begins today - that isn't fair the other way.

(2) Oregon cheated as bad as Miami, and UNC and Auburn probably cheated worse, yet the NCAA only seems interested in punishing the 'Canes. It just seems like favoritism within the NCAA, IMO.

As you point out, that doesn't mean Miami is innocent, however.

The Canes are private. Oregon, Auburn, and UNC are public. Public schools get off (PSU) and private schools get destroyed (SMU).

**Yes, I know PSU is "state-related," but that's just another way of saying "underfunded and won't cooperate with investigations."**

You're absolutely correct.

How did Penn State "get off"?

(04-11-2013 11:44 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  How did Penn State "get off"?

How did they not?

Name one penalty that was levied against them with serious teeth, given the severity of the offense. It's all window dressing.

Example:
PENALTY: They were fined something like $65 million over 4-5 years, and that looks like a substantial penalty.
TRUTH: PSU FB still makes more than the vast majority of BCS FB programs, even after the fine is taken out of their profits. Furthermore, the fine only represents a minor fraction of the school's financial gains that were the result of brushing the shandal under the rug. To put things in perspective, they could pay the ENTIRE fine in one year and still make more than many programs that year.
CONCLUSION: It's completely ineffective and a glorified slap on the wrist.

Pretty much every element of their penalty follows a similar path. Compare that to SMU's death penalty, then compare the offenses, and then tell me that PSU didn't get off.

They got a 4 year bowl ban. No team is getting the death penalty anymore. That is hardly getting off.

(04-12-2013 08:18 AM)Ragu Wrote:  They got a 4 year bowl ban. No team is getting the death penalty anymore. That is hardly getting off.

A 4 year bowl ban? That's a huge penalty to you? OSU is actually better during the bowl ban. They went undefeated last year.

Anyway, if you think a 4 year bowl ban is a sufficient punishment for what PSU did, then we have irreconcilable differences.

Well Syracuse did some of the same things but got hit with nothing. So beggars can't be choosers.