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(04-12-2013 11:53 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  The reason the CUSA/MWC alignment fell through is because we could not create a new conferene and maintain Tourney Credits. Once that came to light it came down to one conference merging with the other and neither conference wanted their conference to be the one to dissolve. Kind of dumb and prideful but MWC didnt want to become CUSA and CUSA didnt want to become MWC.

I'll agree that that likely was a reason, but no single reason was ever revealed... but fans will speculate, of course.

My own speculation is that once you had defections to the Big East, all interest was lost.

And unfortunately, Banowsky didn't exhibit the same patience that Thompson did (ie, making commitments to new additions)... or just as Boise and SDSU came back to MWC, there's every reason to believe that the CUSA defectors would have seen the financial wisdom of coming back... leaving Cincy, USF, UConn and Temple to be seeking for CUSA admission.
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(04-12-2013 12:05 PM)ICB Wrote:  I read that article and nowhere do i find that the new cusa should expect 1/16th of the old cusa. What calculations/thought process did you use to come up with that number?

Did the math that the table provides...

CUSA as currently constituted had how much in TV revenue in 2010?

About 3.1 mil.

The new CUSA, or CUSA 3.0 as some are calling it, is dominated by formerly Sun Belt schools and others that aren't even Sun Belt. And how much revenue did Sun Belt have in 2010?

Less than 200K.
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(04-12-2013 12:09 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:05 PM)ICB Wrote:  I read that article and nowhere do i find that the new cusa should expect 1/16th of the old cusa. What calculations/thought process did you use to come up with that number?

Did the math that the table provides...

CUSA as currently constituted had how much in TV revenue in 2010?

About 3.1 mil.

The new CUSA, or CUSA 3.0 as some are calling it, is dominated by formerly Sun Belt schools and others that aren't even Sun Belt. And how much revenue did Sun Belt have in 2010?

Less than 200K.

Did you factor inflation, supply, demand, left over C-USA teams, taking the top teams from other conferences... prob not, but we won't allow facts to get in the way of your rant. Proceed.
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(04-12-2013 12:12 PM)ICB Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:09 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:05 PM)ICB Wrote:  I read that article and nowhere do i find that the new cusa should expect 1/16th of the old cusa. What calculations/thought process did you use to come up with that number?

Did the math that the table provides...

CUSA as currently constituted had how much in TV revenue in 2010?

About 3.1 mil.

The new CUSA, or CUSA 3.0 as some are calling it, is dominated by formerly Sun Belt schools and others that aren't even Sun Belt. And how much revenue did Sun Belt have in 2010?

Less than 200K.

Did you factor inflation, supply, demand, left over C-USA teams, taking the top teams from other conferences... prob not, but we won't allow facts to get in the way of your rant. Proceed.

He did the same song and dance on the Herd board. I apologize.
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(04-12-2013 08:41 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I have said before that in the medium/long term, Impostor CUSA will get basically no TV money and will have few if any Saturday games. I did not know the SBC's exact television deal before now, but it makes perfect sense that it would be essentially zero, and that is a preview of the future of Impostor CUSA. You can't throw a bunch of SBC teams together and expect CUSA money.

USM's future schedule is full of money games, and this has no doubt been arranged to compensate for $0 TV money.

When Louisville left, and then Memphis and East Carolina, I wondered which fanbase would produce the loudest conference malcontent fans*.

I no longer wonder.






*Note: Not an indictment of fanbases in general (well, except for the 'ville).
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I noticed no one mentioned C-USA expanded their footprint into 40% more homes than C-USA 2.0.
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(04-12-2013 12:06 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 11:53 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  The reason the CUSA/MWC alignment fell through is because we could not create a new conferene and maintain Tourney Credits. Once that came to light it came down to one conference merging with the other and neither conference wanted their conference to be the one to dissolve. Kind of dumb and prideful but MWC didnt want to become CUSA and CUSA didnt want to become MWC.

I'll agree that that likely was a reason, but no single reason was ever revealed... but fans will speculate, of course.

My own speculation is that once you had defections to the Big East, all interest was lost.

And unfortunately, Banowsky didn't exhibit the same patience that Thompson did (ie, making commitments to new additions)... or just as Boise and SDSU came back to MWC, there's every reason to believe that the CUSA defectors would have seen the financial wisdom of coming back... leaving Cincy, USF, UConn and Temple to be seeking for CUSA admission.

That is what I was told. I didn't draw that conclusion. While it may not have been the sole factor it was one of the main sticking points that caused it to fall.
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(04-12-2013 11:57 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 11:50 AM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  No I get all of that. I still see us above the MAC and SunBelt. I see us on par with the AAC also. I believe the MWC to be the most appealing right now. They still have Boise. But you know what? In the grand scheme no one cares about any of us. There is no national draw in CUSA or AAC. Of the non power conferences Boise is the only national draw out there. Once the AAC starts to actually play ball and the games are terrible and the numbers go down so will there contracts.

1. I know you "see us" that way. But how do you use facts to support that vision?

2. In the grand scheme, they have cared about us more than they cared about Sun Belt schools.

No one argues that Joe Fan will watch Alabama/Vandy first, but when Bama starts running away with the game, then there is a second tier from which he'll select a game, and better to be Tulane than to be [insert newbie school brand here].

3. Why do you presume that AAC games will produce any less income than they did when they played under the CUSA banner? More reasonably, they should expect to gross the same kind of numbers, if not a little better with Cincy in the mix.

1&3. We lost teams and we gained teams. And to be honest it was almost a wash. Memphis and Tulane are all but nonexisitant on the football field. SMU isn't close behind them in that regard. MTSU and LaTech have had very good seasons in recent years and WKU is on the rise. Houston, ECU, and UCF hurt but as we didn't lose these titans that are in the mold of Boise that made noise on a national scale. Houston did so last year but no one remembers that right now.

The Big East was a laughing stock of a football conference before the realignment began. Don't believe me. Then why were they losing their automatic bid? That is why WVU left. That is why Pitt and Cuse left. They have not done themselves any favors with their current additions or the way they have handled business since the defections. They are already behind the 8-ball in terms of public perception. There is not one team in that conference that will be able to carry their flag on a national scale consistantly. That is why they will fall.

Houston is not getting back to the Sumlin ways with their current staff. UCONN wants out and was a big reason for the auto bid to be taken away. Cincy is a decent draw but not so sure how they will be with the new staff. USF is the school no one wants. Memphis and Tulane are terrible on the field. SMU isn't much better as evidence by June Jones trying his best to leave. And he would have had his demands been more realistic. UCF isn't nothing great. Sure they have won CUSA and beat a bad UGA team but they have as many losing seasons as winning seasons. Temple football doesn't move the meter. ECU is good but they haven't grabbed any national headlines either.

They are no better off than CUSA. They may try and convince you they are. You may be foolish enough to buy into it but they are not. Sure we may not have epic matchups but they don't either. What UCONN vs Memphis gonna cause people to run to the sets? UCF vs USF? Heck people in their own state could care less about them.


2. We still have the CUSA name. Most causual fans have not kept up with all the realignment mess nor could they care. They know that the Sun Belt was a notch or two below CUSA and will still think that. Sure you hardcore devoted CFB fan that follows message boards knows better but the causual fan does not. And you honestly believe that Tulane is a better watch than LaTech? Than WKU? Than MTSU? Where have you been in the last 10 years. A team that hasn't fielded a winning team since 2002 and a competitive team since 2004. While the newbies name recognition may not move you their play on the field is a lot better than Tulane.
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I think the housing bubble analogy is apt.

Remember not all homes lost value nor all housing markets. Those with good fundamentals held on.

But it is noteworthy that Pac-12, Big 10, and SEC have all moved to ownership of content distribution. That might be a significant hedge bet right there. Gives them control of ability to sell via alternate channels and to compete in an ala carte environment if that comes.
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(04-12-2013 12:25 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I noticed no one mentioned C-USA expanded their footprint into 40% more homes than C-USA 2.0.

Maybe because when the rights fees came back for AAC so far below expectations that number of homes viewing rather than number of homes in the neighborhood matters more. A Marshall fan in LA is just as valuable as one in Huntington to advertisers unless it's a regional TV deal.

Important thing to remember about the AAC deal. It was what NBC Sports offered. NBC Sports was looking to get into college football so that bid likely included a premium for meeting that content need. ESPN merely matched and probably did so because it was an acceptable price to keep NBCS out of the game rather than representing what the games are actually worth to ESPN.
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(04-12-2013 12:12 PM)ICB Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:09 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:05 PM)ICB Wrote:  I read that article and nowhere do i find that the new cusa should expect 1/16th of the old cusa. What calculations/thought process did you use to come up with that number?

Did the math that the table provides...

CUSA as currently constituted had how much in TV revenue in 2010?

About 3.1 mil.

The new CUSA, or CUSA 3.0 as some are calling it, is dominated by formerly Sun Belt schools and others that aren't even Sun Belt. And how much revenue did Sun Belt have in 2010?

Less than 200K.

Did you factor inflation, supply, demand, left over C-USA teams, taking the top teams from other conferences... prob not, but we won't allow facts to get in the way of your rant. Proceed.

No offense, but let me try this a little more slowly...

1. Marshall, UAB, USM, Rice and UTEP were five of 12 schools who, in 2010, received $3.1 average per school in 2010.

2. WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, and UNT were in Sun Belt back then, and received ~$200K average per school in 2010.

3. CUSA lost the 7 schools that evidently were the most attractive to TV since that was the premise for adding them to the now-AAC, and replaced those with those 5 from the Sun Belt, plus La Tech and three fledgling programs that have been FCS or, in Charlotte's case, haven't even existed in recent memory.

4a. Given then that the 5 least attractive TV schools of CUSA just added 9 schools that were the best of a conference that fetched $200K average per school, or worse, have almost no name recognition as a FBS school... and...

4b. Given that the 7 most attractive TV schools of CUSA just joined with the 4 leftover Big East schools plus Navy and attracted a TV contract not that much different from the one that the CUSA schools had before they left...

4c. It is reasonable to conclude that we can anticipate that the ratio that existed between CUSA 2.0 vs. SB in 2010 will align fairly similar to what AAC vs. CUSA 3.0 after the next contract is negotiated (...with the caveat that the leftover schools will have some additional income coming from the defectors to make up the difference for some period of time).
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(04-12-2013 03:41 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:12 PM)ICB Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:09 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:05 PM)ICB Wrote:  I read that article and nowhere do i find that the new cusa should expect 1/16th of the old cusa. What calculations/thought process did you use to come up with that number?

Did the math that the table provides...

CUSA as currently constituted had how much in TV revenue in 2010?

About 3.1 mil.

The new CUSA, or CUSA 3.0 as some are calling it, is dominated by formerly Sun Belt schools and others that aren't even Sun Belt. And how much revenue did Sun Belt have in 2010?

Less than 200K.

Did you factor inflation, supply, demand, left over C-USA teams, taking the top teams from other conferences... prob not, but we won't allow facts to get in the way of your rant. Proceed.

No offense, but let me try this a little more slowly...

1. Marshall, UAB, USM, Rice and UTEP were five of 12 schools who, in 2010, received $3.1 average per school in 2010.

2. WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, and UNT were in Sun Belt back then, and received ~$200K average per school in 2010.

3. CUSA lost the 7 schools that evidently were the most attractive to TV since that was the premise for adding them to the now-AAC, and replaced those with those 5 from the Sun Belt, plus La Tech and three fledgling programs that have been FCS or, in Charlotte's case, haven't even existed in recent memory.

4a. Given then that the 5 least attractive TV schools of CUSA just added 9 schools that were the best of a conference that fetched $200K average per school, or worse, have almost no name recognition as a FBS school... and...

4b. Given that the 7 most attractive TV schools of CUSA just joined with the 4 leftover Big East schools plus Navy and attracted a TV contract not that much different from the one that the CUSA schools had before they left...

4c. It is reasonable to conclude that we can anticipate that the ratio that existed between CUSA 2.0 vs. SB in 2010 will align fairly similar to what AAC vs. CUSA 3.0 after the next contract is negotiated (...with the caveat that the leftover schools will have some additional income coming from the defectors to make up the difference for some period of time).

So basically your numbers include a great deal of assUMING?
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(04-12-2013 12:52 PM)BleedsGreen33 Wrote:  1&3. We lost teams and we gained teams. And to be honest it was almost a wash.

So I want you to think about this...

You take five schools that in football that appear in the top 16 of the Go5 schools with the best 5-year average Sagrins, plus Memphis and Tulane...

And replace those with one school that appears in that appears in the top 16 and 8 others that don't even appear in the top half of Go5 schools...

And it's a... "wash"... ?!?

Okay.

Some conversations just aren't worth pursuing.
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(04-12-2013 03:43 PM)ICB Wrote:  So basically your numbers include a great deal of assUMING?

No.

My numbers are what al.com reported.

My lone assumption is that what al.com reported is accurate.

The history is the history.

Can we draw conclusions from it?

Precise conclusions? Nah.

General conclusions? Certainly.

And moreover, we can be pretty sure of the general conclusions by virtue of the fact that the AAC contract ended up being so close to what the previous CUSA contract was... thereby affirming that those schools that defected command about the same amount of dollars under either tent... so what value there was in CUSA was mostly due to those schools' presence. (Believe me, as a Marshall fan, I don't like saying that, but oh well.)

The general conclusion is that, if we think in terms of 2013 dollars and accept al.com's accounting and history's guide, the TV execs will value CUSA 3.0 at about 1/16th of what CUSA 2.0 was.
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(04-12-2013 03:41 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:12 PM)ICB Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:09 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:05 PM)ICB Wrote:  I read that article and nowhere do i find that the new cusa should expect 1/16th of the old cusa. What calculations/thought process did you use to come up with that number?

Did the math that the table provides...

CUSA as currently constituted had how much in TV revenue in 2010?

About 3.1 mil.

The new CUSA, or CUSA 3.0 as some are calling it, is dominated by formerly Sun Belt schools and others that aren't even Sun Belt. And how much revenue did Sun Belt have in 2010?

Less than 200K.

Did you factor inflation, supply, demand, left over C-USA teams, taking the top teams from other conferences... prob not, but we won't allow facts to get in the way of your rant. Proceed.

No offense, but let me try this a little more slowly...

1. Marshall, UAB, USM, Rice and UTEP were five of 12 schools who, in 2010, received $3.1 average per school in 2010.

2. WKU, MTSU, FIU, FAU, and UNT were in Sun Belt back then, and received ~$200K average per school in 2010.

3. CUSA lost the 7 schools that evidently were the most attractive to TV since that was the premise for adding them to the now-AAC, and replaced those with those 5 from the Sun Belt, plus La Tech and three fledgling programs that have been FCS or, in Charlotte's case, haven't even existed in recent memory.

4a. Given then that the 5 least attractive TV schools of CUSA just added 9 schools that were the best of a conference that fetched $200K average per school, or worse, have almost no name recognition as a FBS school... and...

4b. Given that the 7 most attractive TV schools of CUSA just joined with the 4 leftover Big East schools plus Navy and attracted a TV contract not that much different from the one that the CUSA schools had before they left...

4c. It is reasonable to conclude that we can anticipate that the ratio that existed between CUSA 2.0 vs. SB in 2010 will align fairly similar to what AAC vs. CUSA 3.0 after the next contract is negotiated (...with the caveat that the leftover schools will have some additional income coming from the defectors to make up the difference for some period of time).

In other words, you have taken up this one single variable as your cause celebre...and flat out ignored every other variable? That is both unreasonable and illogical, and therefore invalidates everything you are posting on except as it applies to that one single variable.

Or are you trying to tell us that all the rest of the potential variables have little or no value?
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(04-12-2013 04:03 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 03:43 PM)ICB Wrote:  So basically your numbers include a great deal of assUMING?

No.

My numbers are what al.com reported.

My lone assumption is that what al.com reported is accurate.

The history is the history.

Can we draw conclusions from it?

Precise conclusions? Nah.

General conclusions? Certainly.

And moreover, we can be pretty sure of the general conclusions by virtue of the fact that the AAC contract ended up being so close to what the previous CUSA contract was... thereby affirming that those schools that defected command about the same amount of dollars under either tent... so what value there was in CUSA was mostly due to those schools' presence. (Believe me, as a Marshall fan, I don't like saying that, but oh well.)

The general conclusion is that, if we think in terms of 2013 dollars and accept al.com's accounting and history's guide, the TV execs will value CUSA 3.0 at about 1/16th of what CUSA 2.0 was.

Just sticking to the one sentence in bold:

1. This is a very directed conclusion, in that it ignores every other possible variable.

2. It is foolish to think in terms of 2013 dollars because CUSA's media deal does not expire until 2017-18. Even then there are protections associated with the schools that are leaving that give some income protection until at least 2019.

3. That is not "al.com's accounting"...it is a table of numbers al.com pulled from tax records with your accounting attached to it.

4. History suggests the CUSA brand is quite valuable among the Go5 brands. You clearly are either ignorant of that history or are disrespecting it. Either way, it doesn't support your conclusions.

5. Are you a TV exec? If you aren't, then you don't know what they will value CUSA at.
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There are several variables that will go into determining the cost of a Big Mac at McD's in 2016. There are several variables that will go into determining the cost of a mushroom burger at Red Robin in 2016.

If the cost of a Big Mac today is $2.50, and the cost of a mushroom burger today is $7.50, what is the best way today of projecting what the cost of a Big Mac will be in comparison to a mushroom burger in 2016?

The cost of special sauce might rise. Maybe the cost of mushrooms dramatically decreases. Maybe Red Robin decides in the meantime to put less mayo on their burgers, or goes with a more expensive bun. The cost of lawsuits might be greater for McD's being who they are. Then again, who knows if maybe one of those mushrooms might be tainted in the meantime, and the chain that served it on a burger might have the public turn on them.

Who knows? Several variables at play.

But the general conclusion remains valid... we don't *know* what will happen, but *our best, most reasonable projection* right now would be to say that in 2016, if a Big Mac is $3, a mushroom burger will be $9... because the ratio is 1 to 3... no biases there, just simple math.

Hope that helps.
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(04-13-2013 09:34 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  There are several variables that will go into determining the cost of a Big Mac at McD's in 2016. There are several variables that will go into determining the cost of a mushroom burger at Red Robin in 2016.

If the cost of a Big Mac today is $2.50, and the cost of a mushroom burger today is $7.50, what is the best way today of projecting what the cost of a Big Mac will be in comparison to a mushroom burger in 2016?

The cost of special sauce might rise. Maybe the cost of mushrooms dramatically decreases. Maybe Red Robin decides in the meantime to put less mayo on their burgers, or goes with a more expensive bun. The cost of lawsuits might be greater for McD's being who they are. Then again, who knows if maybe one of those mushrooms might be tainted in the meantime, and the chain that served it on a burger might have the public turn on them.

Who knows? Several variables at play.

But the general conclusion remains valid... we don't *know* what will happen, but *our best, most reasonable projection* right now would be to say that in 2016, if a Big Mac is $3, a mushroom burger will be $9... because the ratio is 1 to 3... no biases there, just simple math.

Hope that helps.

There is a poster on Eaglepost who uses a picture of Nathan Bedford Forrest as his avatar. He quotes posts like yours and then removes every word except the "if"s and "maybe"s. He follows that up with pictures of flying saucers or bigfoot sightings.

That is the most appropriate answer to your post because your are seeing Bigfoot or a UFO right now.

1. You have yet to post a general conclusion to anything.

2. The proper pronouns are "I" and "my" because I have yet to see a single poster come on here and support your conclusions.

3. Let me give every one else an example (since you yourself are not open to logic): A Model T cost $850 in 1909. It cost $550 in 1913. Then it dropped to $440 in 1915. By the 1920s, it cost $260. By your logic, I should be able to buy a simple base model four seat car for whatever the inflation adjusted 2013 value of $240 is in 1927 dollars. I assure you it is not so high as ~$13,000.

There are a vast number of reasons why you can't buy a new ride for super cheap anymore, but your version of "simple math" (it is actually called a linear equation, btw) does not take into account any of them. Because it ignores every single possible variable except the one you want to hammer away at, your "simple math" is virtually worthless as a predictor of future conference revenues.

Even your use of the one variable is suspect because you only use one set of current data when other sets of data, both current and historical, are available.

I can come up with a more accurate assessment of the future value of CUSA's media deal with poster board, a handful of magic markers, and a classroom full of kindergartners. Before you even try to suggest I come up with a number myself, I am not going to bother. Given that I would put some actual thought behind my efforts, I might come up with a number that other people would place some faith in. While the exercise might be good for my brain and the kindergartners would surely enjoy themselves, the actual number I come up with would be nearly worthless the moment it was committed to paper. Winning the pissing contest is not enough motivation to make me want to do it.

I believe the colloquial term for what you are doing is "talking out your ass".
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RE: Sun Belt TV revenue
(04-13-2013 10:06 AM)Freshy Wrote:  There is a poster on Eaglepost who uses a picture of Nathan Bedford Forrest as his avatar. He quotes posts like yours and then removes every word except the "if"s and "maybe"s. He follows that up with pictures of flying saucers or bigfoot sightings.

That is the most appropriate answer to your post because your are seeing Bigfoot or a UFO right now.

1. You have yet to post a general conclusion to anything.

2. The proper pronouns are "I" and "my" because I have yet to see a single poster come on here and support your conclusions.

3. Let me give every one else an example (since you yourself are not open to logic): A Model T cost $850 in 1909. It cost $550 in 1913. Then it dropped to $440 in 1915. By the 1920s, it cost $260. By your logic, I should be able to buy a simple base model four seat car for whatever the inflation adjusted 2013 value of $240 is in 1927 dollars. I assure you it is not so high as ~$13,000.

There are a vast number of reasons why you can't buy a new ride for super cheap anymore, but your version of "simple math" (it is actually called a linear equation, btw) does not take into account any of them. Because it ignores every single possible variable except the one you want to hammer away at, your "simple math" is virtually worthless as a predictor of future conference revenues.

Even your use of the one variable is suspect because you only use one set of current data when other sets of data, both current and historical, are available.

I can come up with a more accurate assessment of the future value of CUSA's media deal with poster board, a handful of magic markers, and a classroom full of kindergartners. Before you even try to suggest I come up with a number myself, I am not going to bother. Given that I would put some actual thought behind my efforts, I might come up with a number that other people would place some faith in. While the exercise might be good for my brain and the kindergartners would surely enjoy themselves, the actual number I come up with would be nearly worthless the moment it was committed to paper. Winning the pissing contest is not enough motivation to make me want to do it.

I believe the colloquial term for what you are doing is "talking out your ass".

First, I don't have to attack you personally to make my case. I'm sorry if occasionally I don't quite filter my words thoroughly enough to ensure not offending.

So, your answer is to employ a different analogy. Okay. Let's use yours then.

If the question is what will the value of a TV package for CUSA 3.0 be in about 90 years, then you're entirely correct... over the years, variables do eventually amass to such a degree as to make it fairly futile to try to come up with a strong number.

But that's not the case here, obviously.

Within a 90 year time frame, it is much more arguable that MTSU would become the next Boise State than it is for them to do so in the next 5 years.

Within a 90 year time frame, it is much more arguable that FAU would become the next Boise State than it is for them to do so in the next 5 years.

Repeat that for all 9 newbies and the leftovers... and then compound that by saying that it is much more arguable for the 14 teams of CUSA to ascend to be a better conference than the AAC and MWC in the next 90 years than it is for them to do so in the next 5.

The schools that now comprise AAC and MWC have a track record, as do the schools of CUSA and Sun Belt. That track record led the TV execs to make a contract offer based on their historical data of the schools' TV games... and where no historical data exists for a particular school, it is reasonable to look at other start-ups and consider the timeline that it took for them to gain an audience...

That track record for any one school might change significantly in 5 years, but it's highly unlikely that it would change for enough schools in a given conference to make a substantive difference in the overall value of that group of schools' TV contract.

So, going back to your analogy again... I agree with the implicit assertion that decades of time make for too many variables to accurately assess what the average value of Model Ts should be today.

But...pardon the observation... but what's missing in the analogy you want to use is another data point.

That is, if we know what the MSRP of a base model Honda CRV is today, and we know what the MSRP of a base model Ford Escape is today, then we probably aren't going to be too far off the mark to project that in five years, the ratio of price difference will still be about the same.

Sure, again, a variety of things could happen between now and then, but the best projection we can make would assume the same ratio would hold.

So... back to sports...

Remember that we're not projecting CUSA 3.0's next contract on the basis of previous CUSA 2.0's contract (as we might do if we were simply looking at Model Ts only)... and that, in large part, because there is a substantial portion of CUSA 2.0 that now makes up AAC. Rather, there's another data point... Sun Belt... because so many of Sun Belt's large-market schools now comprise CUSA 3.0, and what is left of CUSA are the smaller-market schools.

I realize this is largely futile... I perceive what you wrote above to be mostly a tantrum, frankly, driven by a strong wish that a brighter future is within easy reach.

It is within reach. It is not within easy reach.

Today's CUSA brand is diminished. It will take a significantly positive turn of events for it to come back and compete with the top of the Go5.
(This post was last modified: 04-13-2013 11:12 AM by _sturt_.)
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RE: Sun Belt TV revenue
(04-12-2013 09:16 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I thought CUSA's contract is with Fox Sports and CBS College Sports? Am I missing something?

Yeah you are, Andre is disgruntled.....lol.
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