So sez Arbs:

http://syracusefan.com/threads/what-spor...hat.51422/

Makes sense as the ACC now possesses approximately 7 solid national brands and several more a tiny step behind: UNC, Duke, Cuse, Ville, NCSt, Pitt, ND.

I predict after the current ACC Championship contract ends that NYC will get the tourney 50% of the time.

Who the heck is this random guy? He is the one saying FSU got a new divisions guarantee to sign the GOR. Now he is saying basketball saved it. Sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Haven't seen division talk anywhere else.

(04-24-2013 11:35 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Who the heck is this random guy? He is the one saying FSU got a new divisions guarantee to sign the GOR. Now he is saying basketball saved it. Sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Haven't seen division talk anywhere else.

I don't know how accurate his information is day to day but overall he has had a pretty big success rate on calling things before they happen.

Obviously basketball is getting bigger by the day in Miami. ACC play averaged 7,300 at our traditionally non-supported basketball program here at Miami, and it helps that the NBA's (arguably) best team is here at American Airline Arena in downtown. Just for comparison, we had just under 5,000 a game for ACC games last year at Miami. That's nearly a 50% increase. Pretty good, if you ask me. I'd venture a guess that next year will be above 7,000 again, considering the name-brand opponents we've got coming in (Duke, Syracuse, Pitt, FSU, etc). Good culture change at the U.

(04-24-2013 11:18 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  So sez Arbs:

http://syracusefan.com/threads/what-spor...hat.51422/

Makes sense as the ACC now possesses approximately 7 solid national brands and several more a tiny step behind: UNC, Duke, Cuse, Ville, NCSt, Pitt, ND.

I predict after the current ACC Championship contract ends that NYC will get the tourney 50% of the time.

NC State hasn't been a national brand in 2 decades. FSU has as many NCAAT appearances and more Sweet Sixteens than them since Valvano. ND and Pitt are a clear step down from the other four but very good brands regardless. However, if ND didn't have ND on their jersey they'd be viewed much more like NC State than those top 4/5 schools.

Hard time seeing the ACCT in NYC 50% of the time when Brooklyn and Manhattan already have obligations. And since the ACC would never let it be outside of Greensboro for too long - for god knows what reason - it'd mean Greensboro has it the other 50% and it wouldn't ever travel anywhere else (Atlanta, Charlotte, maybe Louisville, Florida somewhere, etc) which seems unlikely.

(04-24-2013 01:09 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Obviously basketball is getting bigger by the day in Miami. ACC play averaged 7,300 at our traditionally non-supported basketball program here at Miami, and it helps that the NBA's (arguably) best team is here at American Airline Arena in downtown. Just for comparison, we had just under 5,000 a game for ACC games last year at Miami. That's nearly a 50% increase. Pretty good, if you ask me. I'd venture a guess that next year will be above 7,000 again, considering the name-brand opponents we've got coming in (Duke, Syracuse, Pitt, FSU, etc). Good culture change at the U.

I think your attendance will drop as I see Miami having an up-and-down kind of season and probably around .500 in ACC play. Lost way too much talent to be good next year and that will obviously sharply impact crowds. Might still have better attendance than 2011-2012, just not better than this past season.

I agree with all that, Marge.

(04-24-2013 11:35 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Who the heck is this random guy? He is the one saying FSU got a new divisions guarantee to sign the GOR. Now he is saying basketball saved it. Sounds like he doesn't know what he is talking about. Haven't seen division talk anywhere else.

Can't both be right?

As I understand it, FSU was concerned on three levels - 1) getting enough $$$ to stay competitive with Florida; 2) increase the quality of their schedule (getting GT more often and less of either BC or SU); and 3) getting a better football product overall in the league.

This post by arbs is saying the success of any possible ACC Network will be basketball. Which shouldn't come as a surprise since it was actually more bb than fb that forced the BTN on in their states since they didn't have enough football product on the network to make it the major reason why they got their network up and running. Add to this the addition of ND (with an increase due to Pitt and SU as well) along with NOT losing FSU and UNC to other conferences seems to have gotten the $$$ where the Noles were at least comfortable in remaining on that aspect.

The partial ND deal and the rumored move of a football divisional realignment more to the Noles' liking (waiting for real confirmation as to what that will be) appears to have taken care of #2.

And the addition of Louisville over UConn appears to have been enough to lead FSU to think ACC leadership is at least concerned about improving overall football quality.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-24-2013 02:02 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 11:18 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  So sez Arbs:

http://syracusefan.com/threads/what-spor...hat.51422/

Makes sense as the ACC now possesses approximately 7 solid national brands and several more a tiny step behind: UNC, Duke, Cuse, Ville, NCSt, Pitt, ND.

I predict after the current ACC Championship contract ends that NYC will get the tourney 50% of the time.

NC State hasn't been a national brand in 2 decades. FSU has as many NCAAT appearances and more Sweet Sixteens than them since Valvano. ND and Pitt are a clear step down from the other four but very good brands regardless. However, if ND didn't have ND on their jersey they'd be viewed much more like NC State than those top 4/5 schools.

Hard time seeing the ACCT in NYC 50% of the time when Brooklyn and Manhattan already have obligations. And since the ACC would never let it be outside of Greensboro for too long - for god knows what reason - it'd mean Greensboro has it the other 50% and it wouldn't ever travel anywhere else (Atlanta, Charlotte, maybe Louisville, Florida somewhere, etc) which seems unlikely.

Basically agree with the above, but at the time of entry of Louisville, Cincinnati, and Marquette into the Big East only UConn, Pitt, and SU were doing well in the Big East and only Cincinnati was performing at a consistent comparable level (although Louisville had an Elite 8 run after being chosen but prior to entry and Marquette had the Wade FF run).

However, that infusion elevated Old Guard programs like Georgetown and Villanova as well as WVU and ND, turning the BE into a juggernaut that clearly was on the verge of dominating college basketball (the one sniping point until 2009 was the failure to get to FFs consistently and win NCs every now and again).

Louisville, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh are operating at a much higher level now than Cincinnati, Louisville and Marquette were back in 2005-06, while Duke and UNC are still Duke and UNC.

There's no reason not to believe that formerly good ACC programs who have been down for a while will not be infused with new excitement to create a basketball conference that will be almost as deep and good as the Big East was from 05-06 through this past season.

Cheers,
Neil