(05-02-2013 11:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:34 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 09:42 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I can relate to Andre.

I've been a Houston Astros fan since I got a 1970 Joe Morgan card and just decided he was going to be my favorite player and that was going to be my favorite team... ironically enough, he was dealt to the team I most despised not too much later... Cesar Cedeno replaced him as a result.

However, Jim Crane, the new Astros owner, essentially took a bribe from the devil, Bud Selig... a 10% discount on the sale price... to move a team from a city that has been associated with the National League for most of 90 years to play strategy-less baseball. When you're used to chess, checkers sucks... I can't stomach watching AL ball... never could.

So... I've decided that as a consumer, I have a choice, especially in this age of satellite TV. I don't have to take what Selig and Crane's BS and their presumption that I am a slave to their game. I'm not, and in fact, I've even given up baseball, at least temporarily. If I ever come back, it might be as a fan of another NL team, or better, I might come back if we can ever see a compromise rule that restores strategy in the AL game. I'd love that. But for now, Selig's not getting a dime from me, and Crane's not getting a penny.

Would I react in the same way to Marshall?

Nah.

Marshall didn't ask for this to happen. There was no one at the top driving us toward this situation.

Did Banowsky/CUSA leadership make a stupid decision?

Well, yes.

Time has proven that if he'd had the patience of his pal MWC Commish Thompson, we likely would have seen the defectors follow the path of Boise and SDSU back to their former conference once it was discovered that the TV contract the networks would offer wasn't all that the Big East commishs had hyped it up to be, and in fact, wasn't even much more than the current CUSA 2.0 contract.... who, after all, wants to pay entrance and exit fees only to play mostly the same teams you've been playing anyhow... and knowing that if you return, the four Big East leftovers had little option than to join CUSA or turn indy.

But unlike Crane, Banowsky isn't an owner, and didn't profit from his bad decision. One can be certain his intentions were sincere, and attempting to look out for us Marshall fans as well as the other CUSA leftover fans.

I wouldn't turn my back on Marshall over that.

But what is more disconcerting is watching my fellow Herd fans embrace this current situation as-if our fate has improved. It's one thing to accentuate positives, it's another to be so blind to the negatives that you become MAC fan clones... virtually all ambition tossed to the wind, and shouting down/insulting anyone who wants something better.

If anything would drive me to mirror Andre, seeing a majority of Herd Nation convert to that mindset might do it.

Do you really think that there are long-time die-hard fans that don't "want(s) something better"?.....not just for whatever program you're a fan of, but for any program?

Is hollering negative comments on a message board whenever possible really doing what you want it to?

What difference has it really made? Is it improving the conference, or only making the situation look worse than it is?

Is yours or any one's situation ever improved by being a negative Nancy on a message board?.....or does it merely make the situation that you're in look more dire than it really is?

You know what is really sad...he knew he going to be the 'catcher' in this...

I am all about the biatch based on performance.....this one is a serious head scratcher.

btw...I knew you had it in ya....lol

You, me and everyone else know that my comments were a waste of time, but I just had to say it. We've got a whole group of Tiger fans that believe, or say that they believe, that they are improving the program by whining on a message board. In the end, it doesn't move the needle at all.

(05-01-2013 01:35 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  We've been through a lot as USM fans: decades with just four home games, nine-win seasons that ended with a payday game instead of a bowl game, etc.

In the last decade alone, we've had our first female leader, our first black leader, and our first criminally insane, paint-huffing leader. We've watched the best schools leave our conference, then the average schools, then the schools that we weren't even sure we wanted to begin with. Sunrise, sunset.

Through all of it, our fans have basically been unfazed... myself included. Yeah, I've whined about things along the way, as have others, but no one's passion or loyalty has been in doubt.

Since the ACC announced its grant of rights, though, all passion for USM has left me. I feel like there's nothing to hope for. The light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. I haven't been looking at this site, or even at the sports page of the newspaper. What good could happen? Absolutely * * * * * * * nothing.

So, I'm going to leave it alone for a while. I really enjoyed going to the Boise State and ECU games last year with my kid and was looking forward to having two season tickets this year, for the first time since 2004. But I don't think I will. It takes a certain amount of passion (and hope) for me to pull the credit card out, and it's just gone. There's nothing we can do on the field of play that will fix our real problems.

I loved the first couple of versions of CUSA because you didn't have to be some kind of weirdo to be a USM fan. Casual fans saw us in the polls, knew who Louisville, Cincy, TCU, etc. were, and wouldn't bat an eye if I said "I'm driving up to Hattiesburg for a football game."

That's the main thing we've lost. No one in their right mind would devote time or gasoline to this team or this conference. I just can't bring myself to tell people I'm driving up to Hattiesburg to watch us play Texas State or LA Tech. That's a level of eccentricity that I just don't feel comfortable with.

I fully expect flaming in response. And you're right: I'm not a very good fan. I'm not a die hard. I don't take pride in USM, at least not any more.

But I'll also tell you that I'm not the only closet USM fan out there. If you aspire to anything at all for USM sports beyond what we have now, you've got to get people like me out of the woodwork. There's just nothing going on right now to do that.

And I'll finish up with this: this is not about market, budget, performance on the field, money, or anything else other than leadership. The difference between the AAC and C-SBC, the difference between US News' "Tier 1" and "Tier 2," etc., is exactly the same as the difference between Shelby Thames and Aubrey Lucas, or the difference between Jeff Bower and you-know-who.

Well you are welcome to your opinion, but to be honest you are what is called a fair weather fan. The sad thing is when things do start to improve, and they will, you will jump on board again. As a former coach I paid little attention to these fans because they lacked the heart and soul of a base fan who didn't care if it was hard times, they just wanted to see the program successful and were willing to experience those hard times. They always seem to come back when thing are turned around but frankly most just figure they will again turn away when troubled times come. I just hope if you do turn away you will not come back as an USM fan without full and contrite repentance because if you don't, why should any of us consider you as a real Golden Eagle fan.

(05-02-2013 11:39 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 11:14 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:34 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 09:42 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I can relate to Andre.

I've been a Houston Astros fan since I got a 1970 Joe Morgan card and just decided he was going to be my favorite player and that was going to be my favorite team... ironically enough, he was dealt to the team I most despised not too much later... Cesar Cedeno replaced him as a result.

However, Jim Crane, the new Astros owner, essentially took a bribe from the devil, Bud Selig... a 10% discount on the sale price... to move a team from a city that has been associated with the National League for most of 90 years to play strategy-less baseball. When you're used to chess, checkers sucks... I can't stomach watching AL ball... never could.

So... I've decided that as a consumer, I have a choice, especially in this age of satellite TV. I don't have to take what Selig and Crane's BS and their presumption that I am a slave to their game. I'm not, and in fact, I've even given up baseball, at least temporarily. If I ever come back, it might be as a fan of another NL team, or better, I might come back if we can ever see a compromise rule that restores strategy in the AL game. I'd love that. But for now, Selig's not getting a dime from me, and Crane's not getting a penny.

Would I react in the same way to Marshall?

Nah.

Marshall didn't ask for this to happen. There was no one at the top driving us toward this situation.

Did Banowsky/CUSA leadership make a stupid decision?

Well, yes.

Time has proven that if he'd had the patience of his pal MWC Commish Thompson, we likely would have seen the defectors follow the path of Boise and SDSU back to their former conference once it was discovered that the TV contract the networks would offer wasn't all that the Big East commishs had hyped it up to be, and in fact, wasn't even much more than the current CUSA 2.0 contract.... who, after all, wants to pay entrance and exit fees only to play mostly the same teams you've been playing anyhow... and knowing that if you return, the four Big East leftovers had little option than to join CUSA or turn indy.

But unlike Crane, Banowsky isn't an owner, and didn't profit from his bad decision. One can be certain his intentions were sincere, and attempting to look out for us Marshall fans as well as the other CUSA leftover fans.

I wouldn't turn my back on Marshall over that.

But what is more disconcerting is watching my fellow Herd fans embrace this current situation as-if our fate has improved. It's one thing to accentuate positives, it's another to be so blind to the negatives that you become MAC fan clones... virtually all ambition tossed to the wind, and shouting down/insulting anyone who wants something better.

If anything would drive me to mirror Andre, seeing a majority of Herd Nation convert to that mindset might do it.

Do you really think that there are long-time die-hard fans that don't "want(s) something better"?.....not just for whatever program you're a fan of, but for any program?

Is hollering negative comments on a message board whenever possible really doing what you want it to?

What difference has it really made? Is it improving the conference, or only making the situation look worse than it is?

Is yours or any one's situation ever improved by being a negative Nancy on a message board?.....or does it merely make the situation that you're in look more dire than it really is?

You know what is really sad...he knew he going to be the 'catcher' in this...

I am all about the biatch based on performance.....this one is a serious head scratcher.

btw...I knew you had it in ya....lol

You, me and everyone else know that my comments were a waste of time, but I just had to say it. We've got a whole group of Tiger fans that believe, or say that they believe, that they are improving the program by whining on a message board. In the end, it doesn't move the needle at all.

They are never a waste...and the fact you went there...'nuff said.

edit: btw OT, I for one, am glad you did...it has value....

(05-02-2013 10:34 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

Quote:But what is more disconcerting is watching my fellow Herd fans embrace this current situation as-if our fate has improved. It's one thing to accentuate positives, it's another to be so blind to the negatives that you become MAC fan clones... virtually all ambition tossed to the wind, and shouting down/insulting anyone who wants something better.

If anything would drive me to mirror Andre, seeing a majority of Herd Nation convert to that mindset might do it.

Do you really think that there are long-time die-hard fans that don't "want(s) something better"?.....not just for whatever program you're a fan of, but for any program?

Is hollering negative comments on a message board whenever possible really doing what you want it to?

What difference has it really made? Is it improving the conference, or only making the situation look worse than it is?

Is yours or any one's situation ever improved by being a negative Nancy on a message board?.....or does it merely make the situation that you're in look more dire than it really is?

Do you really think that I would take the time to write this if I didn't have first-hand knowledge of fans that don't want something better? Do they want success? Yes. Do they care if that success gets any national regard? Not necessarily. Do they want to be in a conference where their school can more plausibly expect to ascend to something better? In many cases, you'll get a straight-up "no."

Spend a few years in the MAC, and maybe then you'll understand.

And... is hollering positive comments on a message board whenever possible really doing what you want it to? What difference has it really made? Is it improving the conference, or only making the situation look better than it is? Is yours or any one's situation ever improved by being a Pollyanna on a message board?.....or does it merely make the situation that you're in look more peachy than it really is?

I mean... really?... it doesn't even occur to you to recognize that what you said is no more or no less valid based on a negative or positive approach?

OT, surely this isn't news to you... a message board is a free marketplace of ideas/comments/criticisms where we wrestle with each other--hopefully within some civil boundaries--to see which ones are most valid and worthwhile.

The reason you've been so upset with me in this thread and the one or two others where I've posted? You don't like my conclusion(s); and moreover, you don't like that what I'm saying and the rationale I lay out for why I'm saying it might make enough sense to enough people that it might prompt them to agree.

You seemingly would like for me to be silenced, ie, censored. Even though... astoudingly... what I'm saying has practically no relevance to Memphis fans at this point, given their plans for departure.

I don't get it. But oh well.

(05-02-2013 02:32 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:34 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

Quote:But what is more disconcerting is watching my fellow Herd fans embrace this current situation as-if our fate has improved. It's one thing to accentuate positives, it's another to be so blind to the negatives that you become MAC fan clones... virtually all ambition tossed to the wind, and shouting down/insulting anyone who wants something better.

If anything would drive me to mirror Andre, seeing a majority of Herd Nation convert to that mindset might do it.

Do you really think that there are long-time die-hard fans that don't "want(s) something better"?.....not just for whatever program you're a fan of, but for any program?

Is hollering negative comments on a message board whenever possible really doing what you want it to?

What difference has it really made? Is it improving the conference, or only making the situation look worse than it is?

Is yours or any one's situation ever improved by being a negative Nancy on a message board?.....or does it merely make the situation that you're in look more dire than it really is?

Do you really think that I would take the time to write this if I didn't have first-hand knowledge of fans that don't want something better? Do they want success? Yes. Do they care if that success gets any national regard? Not necessarily. Do they want to be in a conference where their school can more plausibly expect to ascend to something better? In many cases, you'll get a straight-up "no."

Spend a few years in the MAC, and maybe then you'll understand.

And... is hollering positive comments on a message board whenever possible really doing what you want it to? What difference has it really made? Is it improving the conference, or only making the situation look better than it is? Is yours or any one's situation ever improved by being a Pollyanna on a message board?.....or does it merely make the situation that you're in look more peachy than it really is?

I mean... really?... it doesn't even occur to you to recognize that what you said is no more or no less valid based on a negative or positive approach?

OT, surely this isn't news to you... a message board is a free marketplace of ideas/comments/criticisms where we wrestle with each other--hopefully within some civil boundaries--to see which ones are most valid and worthwhile.

The reason you've been so upset with me in this thread and the one or two others where I've posted? You don't like my conclusion(s); and moreover, you don't like that what I'm saying and the rationale I lay out for why I'm saying it might make enough sense to enough people that it might prompt them to agree.

You seemingly would like for me to be silenced, ie, censored. Even though... astoudingly... what I'm saying has practically no relevance to Memphis fans at this point, given their plans for departure.

I don't get it. But oh well.

WTF????????

THIS IS WHY REP MATTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOODNESS.........

I have thought about this OP and the more I think about it the more I find the thoughts disturbing. Honestly, I see nothing about his expressions to be anything I can respect because it is a post of a bandwagon fan who claims to be a fan but in truth isn't. I tried to think of a comparison in another aspect of life to make me feel respectable about his thoughts, but I really can't. I see it like a guy and girl I went to high school with where the girl was new to the school, very good looking and very nice. She liked the QB of the football team and because she was desired by almost all the QB did start dating her, but one day she got hit by a car and had some rough recovery time which affected her looks. Soon the QB broke up with her and people started to find her "flaws" that suddenly became so important. She struggled in her recovery and took a lot of insulting statements that former friends who had always pledged lifelong friend with her. She recovered after awhile and her beauty came back which also brought back the QB and others wanting to regain their former relationship. She refused most of them because they were only into a status relationship and by now she understood it. Note on the QB that in 1970 when the courts struck down separate but equal schools and the schools were combined, the QB went to the private school to avoid going to school with those black people.

I read the title of this thread and the one thing that really hit me was hopping of the USM bandwagon for a while. It leaves open the return, which is easy to believe as, when things get back to a level liked but will not stick around to help bring it back. I can't respect that and reminds me of those who are so proud to be part of success but refuses to pay the price of getting that success. All due respect to the poster, but I can't respect their position. I have to say I lost what respect I had for them. I hope they will find a team they can be a real fan to, or maybe they can go to being an Alabama fan since they can start out on the top.

After 7 pages im still shocked to find out we had a bandwagon.......

(05-02-2013 03:41 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  After 7 pages im still shocked to find out we had a bandwagon.......

When I was at USM I got on a wagon every Monday before a game.. Then usually the day of the game I had fallen off said wagon.. Then Monday I was back on it.. I don't recall a band though.. Lots of beer... And liquor.. And beer.. And a few Southern Miss hotties.. And some beer.. It was a sin wagon I think.

The man has never been a real fan of the school, just of the feeling when it accomplished something. I sure wouldn't want this guy to be watching my back in a foxhole, and I am sure you know what I mean...

(05-01-2013 01:36 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  And I want to say that I like and appreciate ALL of the USM fans here... and I really regret that we disagree on some things. Go Eagles!

The real pain that I feel is the way that something I loved has been ruined by money. I have been an EAGLE fan when we had no merchandise or apparel. As you said, USM would play seven road games but the schedule was exciting. College football has changed my friend. Teams back in the day had to earn their stripes but those days are long gone. If you think USM has nothing to play for, then I'm affraid you are wrong. All you have to do is look at 2011. The Sugar Bowl was ready to extend and invite if we win at UAB. This is were it gets fun. UAB is a great rival for USM so is LA Tech. College football is all about rivalrys and the future of CUSA is much brighter when you look at the new make up of the conference.

(05-02-2013 09:42 AM)_sturt_ Wrote:  I can relate to Andre.

I've been a Houston Astros fan since I got a 1970 Joe Morgan card and just decided he was going to be my favorite player and that was going to be my favorite team... ironically enough, he was dealt to the team I most despised not too much later... Cesar Cedeno replaced him as a result.

However, Jim Crane, the new Astros owner, essentially took a bribe from the devil, Bud Selig... a 10% discount on the sale price... to move a team from a city that has been associated with the National League for most of 90 years to play strategy-less baseball. When you're used to chess, checkers sucks... I can't stomach watching AL ball... never could.

So... I've decided that as a consumer, I have a choice, especially in this age of satellite TV. I don't have to take what Selig and Crane's BS and their presumption that I am a slave to their game. I'm not, and in fact, I've even given up baseball, at least temporarily. If I ever come back, it might be as a fan of another NL team, or better, I might come back if we can ever see a compromise rule that restores strategy in the AL game. I'd love that. But for now, Selig's not getting a dime from me, and Crane's not getting a penny.

See, strut.. .this is where I'll agree and disagree. I too am an Astros fan, and ever since Crane turned the franchise to a farm league team, I've been pissed about how things have gone there... and I won't drop a dime into the merchandise for the team, but that doesn't mean I'm going to root for a different team.

I'm still going to hope for the best for the Astros, and will still admit to them being my team; my loyalties won't change, even though my frustration is still the same.

Quote:Did Banowsky/CUSA leadership make a stupid decision?

Well, yes.

Time has proven that if he'd had the patience of his pal MWC Commish Thompson, we likely would have seen the defectors follow the path of Boise and SDSU back to their former conference once it was discovered that the TV contract the networks would offer wasn't all that the Big East commishs had hyped it up to be, and in fact, wasn't even much more than the current CUSA 2.0 contract.... who, after all, wants to pay entrance and exit fees only to play mostly the same teams you've been playing anyhow... and knowing that if you return, the four Big East leftovers had little option than to join CUSA or turn indy.

But unlike Crane, Banowsky isn't an owner, and didn't profit from his bad decision. One can be certain his intentions were sincere, and attempting to look out for us Marshall fans as well as the other CUSA leftover fans.

I wouldn't turn my back on Marshall over that.

This is an entirely different issue (again, I don't blame BB... i blame the leadership of the schools that left for that situation)

[quote='DaSaintFan' pid='9290838' dateline='1367536727']
See, strut.. .this is where I'll agree and disagree. I too am an Astros fan, and ever since Crane turned the franchise to a farm league team, I've been pissed about how things have gone there... and I won't drop a dime into the merchandise for the team, but that doesn't mean I'm going to root for a different team.

I'm still going to hope for the best for the Astros, and will still admit to them being my team; my loyalties won't change, even though my frustration is still the same.
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Ditto here. I have two pro teams....the one I initially grew up with and learned to love; and the one that adopted me when my family moved. See, when I was a kid you got one NFL game a week....and the team you watched was dictated to you based on geography. In Stillwater, OK you watched the Cowboys. Later, once we moved, the game you watched was the Saints. I'm Cowboys through and through - Saints in all respects UNLESS they are playing the Cowboys or their game directly negatively affects the Cowboys.

---- NOW....anybody care to trade owners?

(05-02-2013 06:18 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  [quote='_sturt_' pid='9289146' dateline='1367505727']
See, strut.. .this is where I'll agree and disagree. I too am an Astros fan, and ever since Crane turned the franchise to a farm league team, I've been pissed about how things have gone there... and I won't drop a dime into the merchandise for the team, but that doesn't mean I'm going to root for a different team.

I'm still going to hope for the best for the Astros, and will still admit to them being my team; my loyalties won't change, even though my frustration is still the same.

I know how difficult it is to separate emotionally from a team for whom you've rooted since you were in grade school.

But as I realized that lifelong-Cardinals fan Crane looks at this as a business venture, and that, by allowing myself to continue to be emotionally tied to the Crane-owned franchise that plays in Houston, I would necessarily be giving support to his apparent premise that he could do whatever the hell he wants and that the fans would eventually come back... I'm just not willing to be his biatch. He can't abuse my affinity for the team like that. If he's going to treat it like a consumer product, so am I... God help us, enough fans reject him even after they start winning again, and we can have a repeat Bud Adams episode... ie, where a pathetic owner finds another pasture, and we can just get an expansion franchise and start over.

Speaking for myself, there is only one way Crane can win me back, and that's if he takes the lead in getting the a compromise rule established so that the AL game gets restored to something closer to real baseball.

(05-02-2013 03:48 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 03:41 PM)eagleriffic Wrote:  After 7 pages im still shocked to find out we had a bandwagon.......

When I was at USM I got on a wagon every Monday before a game.. Then usually the day of the game I had fallen off said wagon.. Then Monday I was back on it.. I don't recall a band though.. Lots of beer... And liquor.. And beer.. And a few Southern Miss hotties.. And some beer.. It was a sin wagon I think.

I love the sin wagon!!!

(05-02-2013 10:39 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 05:35 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(05-01-2013 07:28 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  To be fair, undergraduate degrees ARE close to worthless now.

Compare the unemployment rate of those with and without

So, even as a Ph.D. candidate you don't understand context. Is that what you're saying?

Ass-hattery at it's finest - I'm sure you're actually TRYING to be a d***; go hunt up stilljonesing and follow him around - you two could learn from each other.

OK - playing your stupid ass game - tell me, what exactly is the percentage of Ph.D. candidates who would be Ph.D. candidates without an undergraduate degree? Some - yes, I know. But percentage wise I'm guessing less than 1% would even be possible and considerably less than that in actuality.

Wow calm your **** guys. I was merely stating that its equivalent to what used to be a high school diploma. Education is never worthless but a BS in psychology that puts you in a coffee hut isn't worth what you paid to get the BS. I'll admit I worded it poorly but dear God put down the torches and pitchforks.

*I am just as proud of my BS as my MSc*

(05-03-2013 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:39 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 05:35 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(05-01-2013 07:28 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  To be fair, undergraduate degrees ARE close to worthless now.

Compare the unemployment rate of those with and without

So, even as a Ph.D. candidate you don't understand context. Is that what you're saying?

Ass-hattery at it's finest - I'm sure you're actually TRYING to be a d***; go hunt up stilljonesing and follow him around - you two could learn from each other.

OK - playing your stupid ass game - tell me, what exactly is the percentage of Ph.D. candidates who would be Ph.D. candidates without an undergraduate degree? Some - yes, I know. But percentage wise I'm guessing less than 1% would even be possible and considerably less than that in actuality.

Wow calm your **** guys. I was merely stating that its equivalent to what used to be a high school diploma. Education is never worthless but a BS in psychology that puts you in a coffee hut isn't worth what you paid to get the BS. I'll admit I worded it poorly but dear God put down the torches and pitchforks.

*I am just as proud of my BS as my MSc*

JD - this brings us all the way back, closing the proverbial circle, to the beginning where I pointed out that your context was incorrect.........

The post attributed to andre was a post in which, as I recall, he indicated that the SOUTHERN MISS undergraduate degree had become of zero value due to the changing of conference mates - not that the value of an undergraduate degree in general is getting less and less with each passing year, but that somehow swapping athletic association from ecu, houston and ucf to WKU, LaTech and Old Dominion itself served to make a degree from SOUTHERN MISS less valuable. That's the context you missed.

And yes, I understand there is sometimes more to a "conference" than athletics - those additional associations are highly visible in the pac12, the big10, the acc and to a lesser but noticeable degree in the sec. They are "lip service" at best in most other conferences, including C-USA and I fully suspect in the aac.

(05-03-2013 01:42 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:39 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 05:35 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(05-01-2013 07:28 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  To be fair, undergraduate degrees ARE close to worthless now.

Compare the unemployment rate of those with and without

So, even as a Ph.D. candidate you don't understand context. Is that what you're saying?

Ass-hattery at it's finest - I'm sure you're actually TRYING to be a d***; go hunt up stilljonesing and follow him around - you two could learn from each other.

OK - playing your stupid ass game - tell me, what exactly is the percentage of Ph.D. candidates who would be Ph.D. candidates without an undergraduate degree? Some - yes, I know. But percentage wise I'm guessing less than 1% would even be possible and considerably less than that in actuality.

Wow calm your **** guys. I was merely stating that its equivalent to what used to be a high school diploma. Education is never worthless but a BS in psychology that puts you in a coffee hut isn't worth what you paid to get the BS. I'll admit I worded it poorly but dear God put down the torches and pitchforks.

*I am just as proud of my BS as my MSc*

JD - this brings us all the way back, closing the proverbial circle, to the beginning where I pointed out that your context was incorrect.........

The post attributed to andre was a post in which, as I recall, he indicated that the SOUTHERN MISS undergraduate degree had become of zero value due to the changing of conference mates - not that the value of an undergraduate degree in general is getting less and less with each passing year, but that somehow swapping athletic association from ecu, houston and ucf to WKU, LaTech and Old Dominion itself served to make a degree from SOUTHERN MISS less valuable. That's the context you missed.

And yes, I understand there is sometimes more to a "conference" than athletics - those additional associations are highly visible in the pac12, the big10, the acc and to a lesser but noticeable degree in the sec. They are "lip service" at best in most other conferences, including C-USA and I fully suspect in the aac.

I was just making a general statement sorry. If anyone thinks a degree is suddenly worthless because it comes from a CUSA and not PAC12 or ACC then they're a moron and I question their credentials in the first place.

My UNDERGRAD Tulane degree is no better than a neuro degree from Harvard nor is it any better than a neuro degree from WASU or Rice.

And a conference switch (or lack of) does not suddenly make a school ******.

(05-03-2013 04:28 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:42 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:39 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 05:35 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  Compare the unemployment rate of those with and without

So, even as a Ph.D. candidate you don't understand context. Is that what you're saying?

Ass-hattery at it's finest - I'm sure you're actually TRYING to be a d***; go hunt up stilljonesing and follow him around - you two could learn from each other.

OK - playing your stupid ass game - tell me, what exactly is the percentage of Ph.D. candidates who would be Ph.D. candidates without an undergraduate degree? Some - yes, I know. But percentage wise I'm guessing less than 1% would even be possible and considerably less than that in actuality.

Wow calm your **** guys. I was merely stating that its equivalent to what used to be a high school diploma. Education is never worthless but a BS in psychology that puts you in a coffee hut isn't worth what you paid to get the BS. I'll admit I worded it poorly but dear God put down the torches and pitchforks.

*I am just as proud of my BS as my MSc*

JD - this brings us all the way back, closing the proverbial circle, to the beginning where I pointed out that your context was incorrect.........

The post attributed to andre was a post in which, as I recall, he indicated that the SOUTHERN MISS undergraduate degree had become of zero value due to the changing of conference mates - not that the value of an undergraduate degree in general is getting less and less with each passing year, but that somehow swapping athletic association from ecu, houston and ucf to WKU, LaTech and Old Dominion itself served to make a degree from SOUTHERN MISS less valuable. That's the context you missed.

And yes, I understand there is sometimes more to a "conference" than athletics - those additional associations are highly visible in the pac12, the big10, the acc and to a lesser but noticeable degree in the sec. They are "lip service" at best in most other conferences, including C-USA and I fully suspect in the aac.

I was just making a general statement sorry. If anyone thinks a degree is suddenly worthless because it comes from a CUSA and not PAC12 or ACC then they're a moron and I question their credentials in the first place.

My UNDERGRAD Tulane degree is no better than a neuro degree from Harvard nor is it any better than a neuro degree from WASU or Rice.
And a conference switch (or lack of) does not suddenly make a school ******.

especially after your first job (or acceptance to grad school, etc.)

(05-02-2013 11:39 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  You, me and everyone else know that my comments were a waste of time, but I just had to say it. We've got a whole group of Tiger fans that believe, or say that they believe, that they are improving the program by whining on a message board. In the end, it doesn't move the needle at all.

And some of us just give up the ghost and move on.

(05-03-2013 04:28 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 01:42 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-03-2013 10:44 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 10:39 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-02-2013 05:35 AM)bladhmadh Wrote:  Compare the unemployment rate of those with and without

So, even as a Ph.D. candidate you don't understand context. Is that what you're saying?

Ass-hattery at it's finest - I'm sure you're actually TRYING to be a d***; go hunt up stilljonesing and follow him around - you two could learn from each other.

OK - playing your stupid ass game - tell me, what exactly is the percentage of Ph.D. candidates who would be Ph.D. candidates without an undergraduate degree? Some - yes, I know. But percentage wise I'm guessing less than 1% would even be possible and considerably less than that in actuality.

Wow calm your **** guys. I was merely stating that its equivalent to what used to be a high school diploma. Education is never worthless but a BS in psychology that puts you in a coffee hut isn't worth what you paid to get the BS. I'll admit I worded it poorly but dear God put down the torches and pitchforks.

*I am just as proud of my BS as my MSc*

JD - this brings us all the way back, closing the proverbial circle, to the beginning where I pointed out that your context was incorrect.........

The post attributed to andre was a post in which, as I recall, he indicated that the SOUTHERN MISS undergraduate degree had become of zero value due to the changing of conference mates - not that the value of an undergraduate degree in general is getting less and less with each passing year, but that somehow swapping athletic association from ecu, houston and ucf to WKU, LaTech and Old Dominion itself served to make a degree from SOUTHERN MISS less valuable. That's the context you missed.

And yes, I understand there is sometimes more to a "conference" than athletics - those additional associations are highly visible in the pac12, the big10, the acc and to a lesser but noticeable degree in the sec. They are "lip service" at best in most other conferences, including C-USA and I fully suspect in the aac.

I was just making a general statement sorry. If anyone thinks a degree is suddenly worthless because it comes from a CUSA and not PAC12 or ACC then they're a moron and I question their credentials in the first place.

My UNDERGRAD Tulane degree is no better than a neuro degree from Harvard nor is it any better than a neuro degree from WASU or Rice.

And a conference switch (or lack of) does not suddenly make a school ******.

YEP - that's what I thought - you hadn't quite caught on for the reason for my comments....though I'd believe an undergrad business from Harvard is better to have than an undergrad business from Idaho State (???) if for no other reason than getting "your foot in the door". AND, from your last post, you now see from where my retorts were coming.....it's all good now. Carry on