Honestly, this issue has been written about since 2011. It's usually the same stuff, Bloggers and no one else really being connected to it.

My take on this is that the ACC's GOR did put a halt to the plans of the B1G. However, I do think there are several possible outcomes.

1, The B1G is headed east. I know many have speculated western schools form the Big 12 but there's the issue of a GOR there as well. My thinking is that the B1G may in fact go for UConn (New AAU member, Great BBall on both sides of the fence, decent Football and excellent academics). I think Since Cuse, Pitt, UofL and the rest of the ACC are in the GOR, Temple may be on deck. Temple does not bring the Philly market in and of it's self but with the entire B1G line-up, they have more then a decent shot). The combination of these two markets would be a huge get. Yes Rutgers gets some of Philly maybe but Temple brings at least BBall interest for now.

FYI if you believe that the B1G will not place 2 teams from the same state in a conference, you need only look at Illinois (Illinois Unv and Northwestern Univ.), Indiana (Indiana Univ and Purdue Univ.), Michigan (Michigan Univ and Michigan State Univ.).

2, The Big 12 will need a Conference Championship game to remain viable for the "Cough" New Playoff system. The Big 12 could go several different ways.

2a, The Big 12 could take Cincinnati and ECU, (Why ECU, because WVU has openly lobbied on their behalf). UC brings both good Football and BBall to the table and ECU shuts up WVU's fans. This also puts the Big 12 in Ohio and North Carolina. In the heart of both the B1G and ACC.

2b, The Big 12 could go with UC and Houston or UC and USF or UCF. Any of those two combo's makes for a nice Chunk of TV Sets and other then Houston adds 2 more states to the footprint.

2c, The Big 12 could go with UCF and USF as a combo placing one in the northern Division and one in the Southern Division and thus allow every school to play in Florida every year to help with Advertising Dollars and Recruiting the state. Further they could give UCF and USF a Cross over Rivals game every year which will further promote the Big 12 in Florida. This would also be the 4th largest TV Market in the US.

3, The Big 12 could also take UC and Memphis which would greatly enhance their BBall side from the get go and add two more states to their footprint and connect WV via Ohio to the Footprint. There are a ton of options they could take.

So there are options out there, which if any they will take, we don't know because they aren't saying.

Cincinnati
UConn
USF
UCF
Houston
SMU
and maybe Memphis are the only schools that the Big 12 would even take a sniff at IMO.

No one else adds near the value or potential value that the Big 12 would have to have.

UT and OU

to the

B1G

Sooner or later....

If other words, the Big 12's options are severely limited.

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:06 AM)True Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:51 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I've read that along with Cincinnati that UConn is also a possible B12 candidate. UConn would provide that travel partner that West Virginia has been asking for.

How would UCONN be the the travel partner when Cincinnati is closer?

Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Looks like Tulane fans get to mull over B12 invite again. Good thing this will coincide with the 12-0 run we're about to make.

(05-06-2013 09:00 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Honestly, this issue has been written about since 2011. It's usually the same stuff, Bloggers and no one else really being connected to it.

My take on this is that the ACC's GOR did put a halt to the plans of the B1G. However, I do think there are several possible outcomes.

1, The B1G is headed east. I know many have speculated western schools form the Big 12 but there's the issue of a GOR there as well. My thinking is that the B1G may in fact go for UConn (New AAU member, Great BBall on both sides of the fence, decent Football and excellent academics). I think Since Cuse, Pitt, UofL and the rest of the ACC are in the GOR, Temple may be on deck. Temple does not bring the Philly market in and of it's self but with the entire B1G line-up, they have more then a decent shot). The combination of these two markets would be a huge get. Yes Rutgers gets some of Philly maybe but Temple brings at least BBall interest for now.

PSU controls the Philly market for the BIG... Temple will never ever ever be considered for the BIG...

My comments within the post:

(05-06-2013 09:00 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Honestly, this issue has been written about since 2011. It's usually the same stuff, Bloggers and no one else really being connected to it.

My take on this is that the ACC's GOR did put a halt to the plans of the B1G. However, I do think there are several possible outcomes.

1, The B1G is headed east. I know many have speculated western schools form the Big 12 but there's the issue of a GOR there as well. My thinking is that the B1G may in fact go for UConn (New AAU member, Great BBall on both sides of the fence, decent Football and excellent academics). I think Since Cuse, Pitt, UofL and the rest of the ACC are in the GOR, Temple may be on deck. Temple does not bring the Philly market in and of it's self but with the entire B1G line-up, they have more then a decent shot). The combination of these two markets would be a huge get. Yes Rutgers gets some of Philly maybe but Temple brings at least BBall interest for now.

FYI if you believe that the B1G will not place 2 teams from the same state in a conference, you need only look at Illinois (Illinois Unv and Northwestern Univ.), Indiana (Indiana Univ and Purdue Univ.), Michigan (Michigan Univ and Michigan State Univ.).

2, The Big 12 will need a Conference Championship game to remain viable for the "Cough" New Playoff system. The Big 12 could go several different ways.

2a, The Big 12 could take Cincinnati and ECU, (Why ECU, because WVU has openly lobbied on their behalf). UC brings both good Football and BBall to the table and ECU shuts up WVU's fans. This also puts the Big 12 in Ohio and North Carolina. In the heart of both the B1G and ACC.

I think this would be the first option based on what you've posted.

2b, The Big 12 could go with UC and Houston or UC and USF or UCF. Any of those two combo's makes for a nice Chunk of TV Sets and other then Houston adds 2 more states to the footprint.

2c, The Big 12 could go with UCF and USF as a combo placing one in the northern Division and one in the Southern Division and thus allow every school to play in Florida every year to help with Advertising Dollars and Recruiting the state. Further they could give UCF and USF a Cross over Rivals game every year which will further promote the Big 12 in Florida. This would also be the 4th largest TV Market in the US.

I think this would be the second option based on what you've posted.

3, The Big 12 could also take UC and Memphis which would greatly enhance their BBall side from the get go and add two more states to their footprint and connect WV via Ohio to the Footprint. There are a ton of options they could take.

So there are options out there, which if any they will take, we don't know because they aren't saying.

The third and best option is to take Cincy, ECU, USF, and UCF. Three of the other power conferences have 14 schools. Consequently, maybe the B12 is willing to become B14.

Here’s how the third option would look:

Big West Division: Baylor, Kansas St, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, TT, TCU

Big East Division: Cincinnati, ECU, Iowa St, Kansas, USF, UCF, WV

(05-06-2013 09:09 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:06 AM)True Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 07:51 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  I've read that along with Cincinnati that UConn is also a possible B12 candidate. UConn would provide that travel partner that West Virginia has been asking for.

How would UCONN be the the travel partner when Cincinnati is closer?

Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Oh good god ---- ECU barely got an invite to the depleted AAC. Be reasonable at least.

(05-06-2013 09:35 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:09 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:06 AM)True Bearcat Wrote:  How would UCONN be the the travel partner when Cincinnati is closer?

Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Oh good god ---- ECU barely got an invite to the depleted AAC. Be reasonable at least.

I think different metrics are at work here... I think what hurt ECU in the eyes of the old-Big East and the new AAC was the reality that ECU (1) isn't located in a major urban center (the old "Metro" idea) and that (2) ECU isn't a historic BB power program. Both of these factors seriously cast doubt on ECU's suitability for the old BE and the AAC as it formed and tried to figure out it's identity.

The B12 is not concerned with either of these factors. They are concerned with other things completely...

Cincinnati has little to nothing in common with the universities in the Big 12, I think I'll pass on that conference...

Actually, ECU would be a much better fit.

(05-06-2013 09:47 AM)kobe Wrote:  Cincinnati has little to nothing in common with the universities in the Big 12, I think I'll pass on that conference...

Actually, ECU would be a much better fit.

"Pass"? Pass for what, exactly?

For whatever reason, the B12 seems to have taken a distinct dislike to Cincinnati. I think it's as foolish as the ACC's dislike for WVU was. (WVU was NEVER...and I do mean NEVER... going to be taken into the ACC.) I think UC *COULD* compete well in the B12 and it could be a VERY GOOD conference for UC.

But, again, for whatever reason, the B12 seems to have written off UC.

But back to the real point, you don't "pass" on the B12 unless you have decided that you are going to drop FBS football. Because you are on the wrong side of the "line of death" right now.

(05-06-2013 09:35 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:09 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:06 AM)True Bearcat Wrote:  How would UCONN be the the travel partner when Cincinnati is closer?

Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Oh good god ---- ECU barely got an invite to the depleted AAC. Be reasonable at least.

How's this for reasonable (which has been posted in this thread already):

(05-02-2013 11:12 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...Ollie Luck who is the WVU AD, lobbied the B12 to add ECU.

At least that is what Chuck McGill who is a writer for the Charleston Daily Mail stated in one of his articles:

"(By the way, heard WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck lobbied on behalf of ECU to get into the Big 12, which would have given the Mountaineers an Eastern Time zone partner in the league.)"

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=602823

I guess WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck is also unreasonable....

(05-06-2013 09:30 AM)Underdog Wrote:  My comments within the post:

(05-06-2013 09:00 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  Honestly, this issue has been written about since 2011. It's usually the same stuff, Bloggers and no one else really being connected to it.

My take on this is that the ACC's GOR did put a halt to the plans of the B1G. However, I do think there are several possible outcomes.

1, The B1G is headed east. I know many have speculated western schools form the Big 12 but there's the issue of a GOR there as well. My thinking is that the B1G may in fact go for UConn (New AAU member, Great BBall on both sides of the fence, decent Football and excellent academics). I think Since Cuse, Pitt, UofL and the rest of the ACC are in the GOR, Temple may be on deck. Temple does not bring the Philly market in and of it's self but with the entire B1G line-up, they have more then a decent shot). The combination of these two markets would be a huge get. Yes Rutgers gets some of Philly maybe but Temple brings at least BBall interest for now.

FYI if you believe that the B1G will not place 2 teams from the same state in a conference, you need only look at Illinois (Illinois Unv and Northwestern Univ.), Indiana (Indiana Univ and Purdue Univ.), Michigan (Michigan Univ and Michigan State Univ.).

2, The Big 12 will need a Conference Championship game to remain viable for the "Cough" New Playoff system. The Big 12 could go several different ways.

2a, The Big 12 could take Cincinnati and ECU, (Why ECU, because WVU has openly lobbied on their behalf). UC brings both good Football and BBall to the table and ECU shuts up WVU's fans. This also puts the Big 12 in Ohio and North Carolina. In the heart of both the B1G and ACC.

I think this would be the first option based on what you've posted.

2b, The Big 12 could go with UC and Houston or UC and USF or UCF. Any of those two combo's makes for a nice Chunk of TV Sets and other then Houston adds 2 more states to the footprint.

2c, The Big 12 could go with UCF and USF as a combo placing one in the northern Division and one in the Southern Division and thus allow every school to play in Florida every year to help with Advertising Dollars and Recruiting the state. Further they could give UCF and USF a Cross over Rivals game every year which will further promote the Big 12 in Florida. This would also be the 4th largest TV Market in the US.

I think this would be the second option based on what you've posted.

3, The Big 12 could also take UC and Memphis which would greatly enhance their BBall side from the get go and add two more states to their footprint and connect WV via Ohio to the Footprint. There are a ton of options they could take.

So there are options out there, which if any they will take, we don't know because they aren't saying.

The third and best option is to take Cincy, ECU, USF, and UCF. Three of the other power conferences have 14 schools. Consequently, maybe the B12 is willing to become B14.

Here’s how the third option would look:

Big West Division: Baylor, Kansas St, Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, TT, TCU

Big East Division: Cincinnati, ECU, Iowa St, Kansas, USF, UCF, WV

Actually, I believe none of these are even being considered. The only thing I did take away from any of it is that, if the Big 12 did move into Florida, all the schools wanted to play there every year. So you would have to split the two Florida schools into separate conferences. However, I'm not sure the Big 12 will expand unless forced in to it.

Say the College Championship Game has a Conference Championship requirement. It would have to state that the Team had to win a Conference Championship game or the round robin that the Big 12 now plays would suffice. If however, they do require the Championship game then and only then will the Big 12 expand. It will also have to be at Fox's expanse. Texas isn't gonna pay a dime.

The B12 may be considering their options, but that doesn't mean they're going to act any time soon. Before the ACC agreed on a GoR there was some motivation to take the best ACC schools before the SEC or B1G got to them. There isn't the same sense of urgency with the AAC schools since the SEC and B1G aren't interested in any of us.

(05-06-2013 09:56 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:35 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:09 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Oh good god ---- ECU barely got an invite to the depleted AAC. Be reasonable at least.

How's this for reasonable (which has been posted in this thread already):

(05-02-2013 11:12 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...Ollie Luck who is the WVU AD, lobbied the B12 to add ECU.

At least that is what Chuck McGill who is a writer for the Charleston Daily Mail stated in one of his articles:

"(By the way, heard WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck lobbied on behalf of ECU to get into the Big 12, which would have given the Mountaineers an Eastern Time zone partner in the league.)"

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=602823

I guess WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck is also unreasonable....

According to those who attended from WVU, the meetings were productive, if not necessarily newsworthy. There are no plans for the Big 12 to expand. ("We're happy with the [league] size and composition," said WVU athletic director Oliver Luck.)

The new SEC network, scheduled to debut in 2014, was discussed. ("We're not going to [have a Big 12 network]," Luck said. "We're happy the way it is.")

http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/WVU/201305040081

I would expect that of the available options WVU would push for ECU, but that doesn't mean anyone would actually listen to them. WVU has been a long time friend of ECU, but in no way do they currently have enough pull in that league to open doors for ECU. I don't think the Big12 is going to do anything anytime soon with ACC teams seemingly completely off the table.

(05-06-2013 09:56 AM)Underdog Wrote:  I guess WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck is also unreasonable....

Luck likes to talk, a lot, and much of what he says depends on the audience he's kissing ass to at the time. Often, that talk is just that, talk, he rarely backs it up. A whole ******* lot of bark, very little bite. Given WVU's current state of deserted island angst and our ability to view things with hindsight, I'd say, at the very least, he isn't the hot **** everyone pretends he is.

There have been a number of recent articles in the media (like the one linked in Post #36) about the B12 having no plans to expand. And some mention the fact that the ACC's GoR effectively killed any idea the B12 had of expanding.

That's why this article is purely speculative, with no quotes from B12 officials. IMO, it actually shows exactly why there are no good candidates remaining for the B12 now.

Let's face it. We all seem to be in this conference for better or worse now.

(05-06-2013 09:56 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:35 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:09 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:52 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 08:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Agreed. Cincy is a much better candidate. While UCONN is a much better name brand, even ECU is a better candidate for an eastern add to appease WVU. UCONN is just too far away and would always be an island.

My opinion is that their choices are either stand pat or got to 14 like the SEC. I wager they stand pat.

If the Big 12 adds two to go to 12 (and a championship game) than UConn and Cincinnati would BOTH be viable programs. The Big 12 is already in the east with West Virginia are BOTH programs are Big 12 quality ... or at least the two best options ... by far.

UCONN isn't the best eastern option for a football first conference like the B12. The best two schools in this conference to pair with WV are Cincy and ECU in my opinion. Both schools are B12 football ready, and ECU is a very marketable school to pair up with WV—the Mountaineers and Pirates are coming to town on back to back weekends.

Oh good god ---- ECU barely got an invite to the depleted AAC. Be reasonable at least.

How's this for reasonable (which has been posted in this thread already):

(05-02-2013 11:12 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  ...Ollie Luck who is the WVU AD, lobbied the B12 to add ECU.

At least that is what Chuck McGill who is a writer for the Charleston Daily Mail stated in one of his articles:

"(By the way, heard WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck lobbied on behalf of ECU to get into the Big 12, which would have given the Mountaineers an Eastern Time zone partner in the league.)"

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=602823

I guess WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck is also unreasonable....

ECU "barely" got an invite due to poor, shortsighted Big East leadership. East Carolina would be a great addition to ANY conference. We have as much upside as any non-BCS university.